ThickerThanILook Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 I'm curious about the correlation between bar hanging (one and two hands, thick bars, towel hangs, etc.) compared to good ol' regular barbell/dumbell lifting. Hanging from a bar with one hand is essentially performing a one arm deadlift hold with your own bodyweight. Although it seems these exercises are not the same. Many people can hold themselves on a bar with one hand for a short period of time. Maybe a few seconds or so. But how many of these people could hold onto a barbell of equal weight? I thought of experimenting with thick bar hangs for a while to see how much of a transfer this has on actual weight lifting. Any one tried these before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king crusher Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Hanging I think would be mostly static strength and tax your grip mostly. deadlifting is using many more muscles. ive hung for awhile one handed. never tried for time though. and have pulled 285 one handed conventional but never really trained much for one handed pulls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andurniat Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 I'm curious about the correlation between bar hanging (one and two hands, thick bars, towel hangs, etc.) compared to good ol' regular barbell/dumbell lifting. Hanging from a bar with one hand is essentially performing a one arm deadlift hold with your own bodyweight. Although it seems these exercises are not the same. Many people can hold themselves on a bar with one hand for a short period of time. Maybe a few seconds or so. But how many of these people could hold onto a barbell of equal weight? I thought of experimenting with thick bar hangs for a while to see how much of a transfer this has on actual weight lifting. Any one tried these before? I think if the bar you are hanging from revolves then you will see some carryover. A fixed bar will not open your hand like a barbell when lifting. I'm hoping to see some carryover from my single arm hangs on RT handles. 5 sec. at 230# bodyweight is my best for each arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electron Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Hanging is easier. No question about it. Consider that a barbell rotates, while a bar does not. This can be fixed by using a rotating sleeve around the bar. A barbell is raised with more musculature, compared to the bar hang. One is fighting gravity, the other is resisting gravity. When these two large forces, and many other smaller forces (body placement vs. bar placement, etc.), are addressed, you have a similar exercise. A practical version of all this: try hanging from an RT handle. This will be similar to trying to pull BW on the thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThickerThanILook Posted September 4, 2013 Author Share Posted September 4, 2013 Hanging I think would be mostly static strength and tax your grip mostly. deadlifting is using many more muscles. ive hung for awhile one handed. never tried for time though. and have pulled 285 one handed conventional but never really trained much for one handed pulls. Yeah I know the major muscles used are different (one you're supporting with the arm overhead -- the other is held at the thighs) -- but as far as the actual GRIP strength involved... Should they be equal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThickerThanILook Posted September 4, 2013 Author Share Posted September 4, 2013 (edited) I'm curious about the correlation between bar hanging (one and two hands, thick bars, towel hangs, etc.) compared to good ol' regular barbell/dumbell lifting. Hanging from a bar with one hand is essentially performing a one arm deadlift hold with your own bodyweight. Although it seems these exercises are not the same. Many people can hold themselves on a bar with one hand for a short period of time. Maybe a few seconds or so. But how many of these people could hold onto a barbell of equal weight? I thought of experimenting with thick bar hangs for a while to see how much of a transfer this has on actual weight lifting. Any one tried these before? I think if the bar you are hanging from revolves then you will see some carryover. A fixed bar will not open your hand like a barbell when lifting. I'm hoping to see some carryover from my single arm hangs on RT handles. 5 sec. at 230# bodyweight is my best for each arm. What if you were using dumbells with fixed handles? I put a piece of PVC pipe over my pull up bar (about 2'' thick) and my god that is a pain to hang onto! There is a ton of slack around the bar so it rotates freely as it pleases. I can't even begin to one arm hang from that boy. My hands are pretty beat up from trying out the difference hangs though :P So far I can only manage to hang if I use one finger from the offhand to assist. But is this more a matter of leverage (not being able to grasp entirely around the bar) coupled with the rotating handle, rather than an actual grip feat? I know John Grun Marx used to put rotating sleeves on his challenge weights. Of course his hands were big enough to negate much of the effect. But to anyone attempting the lifts... what a pain! Especially for smaller handed people. Edited September 4, 2013 by ThickerThanILook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephistopholes Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 There's also the psychological aspect to consider... If you're hanging from something, you have more of an imperative to keep hanging on, from a survival viewpoint. Haha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andurniat Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Fixed handle DB will make a difference. Many can attest to the the difference between 170# on a loadable 2.5" handle and the Inch DB of the same weight. Good work with the pvc on a pullup bar, i think it will be an excellent part of your training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barbe705 Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 as you pull from the floor and the joint angles change everything gets harder. try lifting a block weight from a full deadlift to a high pull. or even load it to a platform above your beltline. it changes things a lot when the elbow and shoulder start moving. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth1ness Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Dumbbells/barbells roll out of your hand, the pullup bar does not like tentaclegrip said. The proper comparison would be comparing hanging to what you can hold on something like a farmers handle implement where the weight is actually offset below your hand and cannot roll. Ideally you would also pick it up from a raised platform like a rack hold to eliminate the lifting portion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autolupus Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 To lift a bar you need more force than to hold it, otherwise the bar will just stay on the floor but effectively weightless, to get it moving you have to impart more force, this will mean more strain on the grip! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Sharkey Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 I've had a couple rock climbers tell me for grip strength they will hang onto a bar until failure, which for them is 5 minutes or more. their grips were pretty solid. I'm sure there is carryover to hanging onto a barbell during a dl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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