meelhama Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 I'm looking for some pointers on the 2HP. I want to increase strength in this lift while avoiding injuries. In keeping with this goal I have several questions: 1. Should I just use two 45s smooth-side out with a loading pin stuck through the center, or is there a better device? 2. If I use two 45s, is it better to use seasoned black plates (rougher) or smooth, new grey plates? Keep in mind that I'm interested in comparing my numbers with others. 3. I noticed that my hands are painfully jarred when I set the weight back on the floor. After experiencing some stiffness in my wrists, I've since only worked the concentric. I lift the weight to lockout and then set it on a block that is at the same height (I never lower the weight). This has stopped the jarring and the wrist pain, however, do you think it is an effective way to train. Must I train the eccentric? 4. How should I grip the 45s; hands close or separated, with thumb sides or pad, hands turned in at a slight angle or straight up? 5. Does anyone sell a good set up for this exercise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedd Johnson Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 The competition set-up is adjustable. The outside plates are steel 6-mm thick and the rubber inserts are both 6 and 10-mm. Have you seen it? If you are good with steel you could probably make your own. Scott George sells something called the Mouse which looks like a big piece of pie that you grip instead of a big circle. His name here is madss. Climber511, Chris Rice, can make you a non-adjustable setup that screws into a vertical loading pin. I have one. It works nice, but it is not adjustable. If you just use plates, don't use a loading pin, go get a pipe from the scrap yard or hardware store. It's way easier. I think the feeling you are having is normal when you start out, but it might also be caused by the width of the plates. I remember getting that feeling when I first started training, I think. Is it going into the back of your hand? If so, it just takes time to get conditioned. Lots of guys wedge their hands together, but I don't know how they pick anything up like that. I like about 2 inches of space. Hope this helps. Jedd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico300zx Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 I agree with Jedd, I'm also working on a 2nd setup for myself that I'm going to keep for my outdoor gym for my 1" weights. I just cut out big half circles from a 2x12 and a piece of 1/2" plywood and screwed them together and drilled a 1" hole in the middle where it would be if they were whole circles. And am using a piece of 1" rebar for the pipe and some old wrench down colars to hold it together. And sanded the edges so it won't be sharp onmy thumb webbing. I think its about 52mm thick. I have a pic in my gallery of my official setup I use indoors in my gallery if you want to check it out and ill have a pic of the wood one in a day or so when its complete. Jedd didn't mention it but his diesel crew company puts out a dvd on the 2HP you should invest in it before you have to unlearn bad habits. He is also the current world record holder. So I'm a pion compared to what he can do but I reall like this pet lift because it is so challenging. About the pain. I had a lot in my wrist when I first started and sometime deep within too. But never when I set it down. Try studying how he stands on the vid and holds the impliment, you just probally have your body mechanics wrong or something. Parris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedd Johnson Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Thanks for the mention of the DVD Parris. meelhama, if you would like to check out the DVD, here is the link: http://www.dieselcrew.com/road_to_the_record/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meelhama Posted August 13, 2010 Author Share Posted August 13, 2010 The competition set-up is adjustable. The outside plates are steel 6-mm thick and the rubber inserts are both 6 and 10-mm. Have you seen it? If you are good with steel you could probably make your own. Scott George sells something called the Mouse which looks like a big piece of pie that you grip instead of a big circle. His name here is madss. Climber511, Chris Rice, can make you a non-adjustable setup that screws into a vertical loading pin. I have one. It works nice, but it is not adjustable. If you just use plates, don't use a loading pin, go get a pipe from the scrap yard or hardware store. It's way easier. I think the feeling you are having is normal when you start out, but it might also be caused by the width of the plates. I remember getting that feeling when I first started training, I think. Is it going into the back of your hand? If so, it just takes time to get conditioned. Lots of guys wedge their hands together, but I don't know how they pick anything up like that. I like about 2 inches of space. Hope this helps. Jedd Okay, so is the thickness of the gripping surface 6.22 cm (6mm steel + 6mm steel + 6 cm and 10 mm rubber inserts)? Is the metal smooth like new plates or rough like old ones? Thanks for the mention of the DVD Parris. meelhama, if you would like to check out the DVD, here is the link: http://www.dieselcrew.com/road_to_the_record/ Thanks, I'll check out the video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedd Johnson Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 The competition set-up is adjustable. The outside plates are steel 6-mm thick and the rubber inserts are both 6 and 10-mm. Have you seen it? If you are good with steel you could probably make your own. Scott George sells something called the Mouse which looks like a big piece of pie that you grip instead of a big circle. His name here is madss. Climber511, Chris Rice, can make you a non-adjustable setup that screws into a vertical loading pin. I have one. It works nice, but it is not adjustable. If you just use plates, don't use a loading pin, go get a pipe from the scrap yard or hardware store. It's way easier. I think the feeling you are having is normal when you start out, but it might also be caused by the width of the plates. I remember getting that feeling when I first started training, I think. Is it going into the back of your hand? If so, it just takes time to get conditioned. Lots of guys wedge their hands together, but I don't know how they pick anything up like that. I like about 2 inches of space. Hope this helps. Jedd Okay, so is the thickness of the gripping surface 6.22 cm (6mm steel + 6mm steel + 6 cm and 10 mm rubber inserts)? Is the metal smooth like new plates or rough like old ones? Thanks for the mention of the DVD Parris. meelhama, if you would like to check out the DVD, here is the link: http://www.dieselcrew.com/road_to_the_record/ Thanks, I'll check out the video. When the plates are new, they are slick. When they age and condition, they get much rougher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madss Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 hi guys I have been on a long hiatus due to a never ending wrist injury. I thought I would toss out an update on the adjustable pinch setups. I have tried to source a new rubber supplier. The guy that made them for me had some major health issues and gave to business to his son, whom will not honor the price his dad and I worked out. he want twice as much now which make these setups closer to $250. I still have some laser cut steel plates for $50 a pair but you will have to source a spacer. this can be anything from plywood, hard foam, or 60 durometer neoprene rubber. pm me if you have any question on building a set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
climber511 Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 hi guys I have been on a long hiatus due to a never ending wrist injury. I thought I would toss out an update on the adjustable pinch setups. I have tried to source a new rubber supplier. The guy that made them for me had some major health issues and gave to business to his son, whom will not honor the price his dad and I worked out. he want twice as much now which make these setups closer to $250. I still have some laser cut steel plates for $50 a pair but you will have to source a spacer. this can be anything from plywood, hard foam, or 60 durometer neoprene rubber. pm me if you have any question on building a set up. I just priced having some steel plates cut for someone and they wanted $38 EACH for them (plasma cut, not laser) - $50 for a pair is a steal! I may have to get a pair and I don't even need them And 1/4 and 3/8" plywood will work just fine instead of rubber - it will just be lighter is all. So anyone wanting a true 2 HP setup better jump on this! Scott - good to see you back buddy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legendofjd3 Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 I started out with 2 45's and had the pipe running thru the middle. This was tearing up my thumbs pretty bad. Also it was 68 mm wide. With my small hands it made the lift very difficult. I could only manage 151 lbs. I then made my own set-up out of wood. It's 54 mm wide and the difference is huge. Can pull almost 40 lbs more. When you make something try to keep it between 48 and 54 mm, the experiment to find out what works best for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexR Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 I use 2 45's with a pipe running through the centre,locked together with two oly collars,and load it up evenly with plates both sides.I use gardening gloves when training to save tearing up my hands,and use it barehand when going for PB'S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malice Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 Thanks for the mention of the DVD Parris. meelhama, if you would like to check out the DVD, here is the link: http://www.dieselcrew.com/road_to_the_record/ I just ordered this today. Maybe now I'll be able to pinch more than a 10 year old girl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madss Posted September 19, 2010 Share Posted September 19, 2010 hi guys I have been on a long hiatus due to a never ending wrist injury. I thought I would toss out an update on the adjustable pinch setups. I have tried to source a new rubber supplier. The guy that made them for me had some major health issues and gave to business to his son, whom will not honor the price his dad and I worked out. he want twice as much now which make these setups closer to $250. I still have some laser cut steel plates for $50 a pair but you will have to source a spacer. this can be anything from plywood, hard foam, or 60 durometer neoprene rubber. pm me if you have any question on building a set up. I just priced having some steel plates cut for someone and they wanted $38 EACH for them (plasma cut, not laser) - $50 for a pair is a steal! I may have to get a pair and I don't even need them And 1/4 and 3/8" plywood will work just fine instead of rubber - it will just be lighter is all. So anyone wanting a true 2 HP setup better jump on this! Scott - good to see you back buddy! Its good to be back Chris, I missed you guys hope to be around more in the next few month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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