slewis4 Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 Am very new to this place and posted this in the wrong place. It was suggested I post it here. I look forward to your thoughts. Especially since my topic was referred to as "controversial." Not trying to make waves, just curious. Thanks!! Hello All, First let me say I am a grip newbie. Have been using CoC's casually for years but never seriously. Have closed the 2.5 a couple of times but I think it was a fluke at best. I need to get serious about this!! I decided to order KTA, read it then make a serious run at the #3. That said, I was rereading my copy of "Captains of Crush: What are they and how to close them" by Strossen. On to my question: I am sure ya'll are all familiar with the part where Kinney talks about squatting in the AM with no food, putting the body in an alarm state therefore increasing the release of anabolic hormones, specifically testosterone. Is there any scientific literature documenting this specific physiological response? In no way can I doubt his results, they are almost beyond comprehension. Just looking for the science there. Thanks and I am looking forward to learning from all of you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightyjoe Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 (edited) Am very new to this place and posted this in the wrong place. It was suggested I post it here. I look forward to your thoughts. Especially since my topic was referred to as "controversial." Not trying to make waves, just curious. Thanks!! Hello All, First let me say I am a grip newbie. Have been using CoC's casually for years but never seriously. Have closed the 2.5 a couple of times but I think it was a fluke at best. I need to get serious about this!! I decided to order KTA, read it then make a serious run at the #3. That said, I was rereading my copy of "Captains of Crush: What are they and how to close them" by Strossen. On to my question: I am sure ya'll are all familiar with the part where Kinney talks about squatting in the AM with no food, putting the body in an alarm state therefore increasing the release of anabolic hormones, specifically testosterone. Is there any scientific literature documenting this specific physiological response? In no way can I doubt his results, they are almost beyond comprehension. Just looking for the science there. Thanks and I am looking forward to learning from all of you! There's no scientific evidence for the release of testosterone during heavy squats while deprived of nutrients. This is simply Mr. Kinney's ignornace of how the body works. (I used to believe it too). The more scientific explanation of why heavy squats temporarily boost your performance is PAP, Post-Activation Potentiation. Here's a simple definition from Strength & Conditioning Extraordinare, Brett Contreras: "PAP is a phenomena by which muscular performance characteristics are acutely enhanced as a result of their contractile history. The underlying principle surrounding PAP is that heavy loading prior to explosive activity induces a high degree of CNS stimulation which results in greater motor unit recruitment lasting anywhere from five to thirty minutes." I've also had conversations with Dr. Fred Hatfield (Dr. Squat) about this very thing. He too, agrees. Question claims and then experiment for yourself. Hope this helps and Welcome aboard!!! Edited July 4, 2010 by Mighty Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonraker182 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Am very new to this place and posted this in the wrong place. It was suggested I post it here. I look forward to your thoughts. Especially since my topic was referred to as "controversial." Not trying to make waves, just curious. Thanks!! Hello All, First let me say I am a grip newbie. Have been using CoC's casually for years but never seriously. Have closed the 2.5 a couple of times but I think it was a fluke at best. I need to get serious about this!! I decided to order KTA, read it then make a serious run at the #3. That said, I was rereading my copy of "Captains of Crush: What are they and how to close them" by Strossen. On to my question: I am sure ya'll are all familiar with the part where Kinney talks about squatting in the AM with no food, putting the body in an alarm state therefore increasing the release of anabolic hormones, specifically testosterone. Is there any scientific literature documenting this specific physiological response? In no way can I doubt his results, they are almost beyond comprehension. Just looking for the science there. Thanks and I am looking forward to learning from all of you! There's no scientific evidence for the release of testosterone during heavy squats while deprived of nutrients. This is simply Mr. Kinney's ignornace of how the body works. (I used to believe it too). The more scientific explanation of why heavy squats temporarily boost your performance is PAP, Post-Activation Potentiation. Here's a simple definition from Strength & Conditioning Extraordinare, Brett Contreras: "PAP is a phenomena by which muscular performance characteristics are acutely enhanced as a result of their contractile history. The underlying principle surrounding PAP is that heavy loading prior to explosive activity induces a high degree of CNS stimulation which results in greater motor unit recruitment lasting anywhere from five to thirty minutes." I've also had conversations with Dr. Fred Hatfield (Dr. Squat) about this very thing. He too, agrees. Question claims and then experiment for yourself. Hope this helps and Welcome aboard!!! That's interesting. But I'm curious why you would speak so disrespectfully of Joe Kinney, a much respected man in the grip community. He was the first man to close the #4 COC gripper. He is also a very nice and humble person. Why did you call him ignorant? A person does not have to be a Dr. Fred Hatfield to have an opinion on what they believe works in training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightyjoe Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 (edited) Ben, I didn't mean any disrespect. All I will say is extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and his squat claims and his TTK claims are in that category. By ignorance, I simply mean, he doesn't know any better. I didn't in any way mean he's stupid or dumb. Far from it. Facts are facts when it comes to HOW the human body works and from listening to things that came from his own mouth, I can conclude he's ignorant in this respect. Also, if you know how to get in touch with Mr. Kinney, please PM me with his contact info as I've had a letter returned twice that I've sent him with some serious questions concerning his claims. I wouldn't have posted what I did if I had not done my homework. Promise! Edited March 13, 2011 by Mighty Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannon Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I don't always agree with Joe, , but I do in this case! I didn't see anything disrespectful in his post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tukkergrip Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 What the heck guys?!!? Not Having any food and squatting/exercising (mainly compound exercising, so squatting will work great), will surely boost hormone output, yes there is scientific proof for that. Seems pretty simple to me. mighty joe calling it an ignorant etc. is bullocks... Calling it ignorant is more ignorant if you understand.... I don't really understand Mighty Joe's comments as usual, as most seem to bound on the absurd en extreme I take it, pretty stupid in such simple questions...... I have done research on the human body and I have to say, The physics of the body and the reactions in training (esp. strength training) remain very true and often very simple. ''Mighty'' Joe's "One experiment is better than one million opinions", HUGE Lettered signature, and reading your comments pretty much says it all to me....... Now the hormone output always fascinated me. Joe Kinney is right, hes a #4 closer FTW anyway. BTW, yes opinions (in this sport) DO say a lot just keep them coming guys .... To put forth a little knowledge> a great boost for the growth hormone in terms of training> is surely high rep (20+) compount exercises, and distance running, biking whatever. (intense training in general boosts growth hormone).. Having no food especially for long times will boost growth hormone output even more. And then finally eating that huge amount of food at dinner or whatever will recharge you and give you the GH boost. (U dont want the highest amount of GH and if you want to keep looking pretty though, as in a deformed acromegalic, it aint healthy too).. Anyway growth hormone is very complex.. And there can be done a lot of study on this hormone.. But in one study I found out that using the growth hormone on the body as a dryg, didn't really make that much difference in lifting strength. But this could have to do with the fact that the body didn't really take up the HGH drug as it just wanted to stay at it's own HGH levels. Now for Testosterone, the other and even more important weightlifting hormone> To boost this with training> Low repetition very heavy weight and intense (short) workouts, long workouts work too ofcourse (if u can keep the intensity :P).. Also compound exercises work best as they strain the body the most/ are the most painfull. Thats how the body works..... Other things can be said ass well and can be just as true........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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