nostyle126 Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Hey all. I'm kinda new here (although some of the seasoned vets on the board know me through armwrestling). I have a question. I am almost closing the 2.5 right now and thought maybe the KTA program would be useful to me. I've done all the internet research I can on it and 99.9% of what I found is positive about the program. With that in mind, can anyone here give me any NEGATIVES about the program, or recommend AGAINST it? Or is it simply that good that everyone is on the same page? Thanks in advance for the feedback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyGrip Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Hey all. I'm kinda new here (although some of the seasoned vets on the board know me through armwrestling). I have a question. I am almost closing the 2.5 right now and thought maybe the KTA program would be useful to me. I've done all the internet research I can on it and 99.9% of what I found is positive about the program. With that in mind, can anyone here give me any NEGATIVES about the program, or recommend AGAINST it? Or is it simply that good that everyone is on the same page?Thanks in advance for the feedback. No one will give you any bad feedback on the KTA, except that your hands will cry in pain sometimes as you're getting stronger! I've never done the KTA, but from many who spoke about it - it seems that it's something that really works. You can still manage to get stronger on grippers and certify on the #3, without the KTA - but it is helpful to many. I think I figured out all the training techniques of the KTA just by reading the CoC book and speaking to many on here at the Board. I do recommend you assess every aspect of Gripper training and evaluate what you think might work and then experiment with your training. You most likely already know about the following training methods, but I'll just go through them again, because these 2 are musts! If you're almost closing your #2.5 now, then I would recommend you do Severe Holds w/ the #2 to get your hands stronger. If you can close the #2 with both hands, then that's great - you can just use that gripper and do singles w/ it - holding it until failure each time! Watch your hands really burn from this and you will notice your hands sore the next day. You can also take your #2.5, try to shut it as far as you can, then use your other hand to close it even further and then hold at that position until the gripper starts opening up - NEGATIVES - these will really bring you to closing the #2.5. Probably in 1-2 training sessions the #2.5 will be conquered! Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAU1985 Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 One thing I've read is that TKA is hardcore, every day gripper training and that any other types of lifting should be put off while following the program. I plan on purchasing the KTA program and using it once I conquer the #2 with both hands and can close it without a set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nostyle126 Posted May 23, 2009 Author Share Posted May 23, 2009 Hey all. I'm kinda new here (although some of the seasoned vets on the board know me through armwrestling). I have a question. I am almost closing the 2.5 right now and thought maybe the KTA program would be useful to me. I've done all the internet research I can on it and 99.9% of what I found is positive about the program. With that in mind, can anyone here give me any NEGATIVES about the program, or recommend AGAINST it? Or is it simply that good that everyone is on the same page?Thanks in advance for the feedback. No one will give you any bad feedback on the KTA, except that your hands will cry in pain sometimes as you're getting stronger! I've never done the KTA, but from many who spoke about it - it seems that it's something that really works. You can still manage to get stronger on grippers and certify on the #3, without the KTA - but it is helpful to many. I think I figured out all the training techniques of the KTA just by reading the CoC book and speaking to many on here at the Board. I do recommend you assess every aspect of Gripper training and evaluate what you think might work and then experiment with your training. You most likely already know about the following training methods, but I'll just go through them again, because these 2 are musts! If you're almost closing your #2.5 now, then I would recommend you do Severe Holds w/ the #2 to get your hands stronger. If you can close the #2 with both hands, then that's great - you can just use that gripper and do singles w/ it - holding it until failure each time! Watch your hands really burn from this and you will notice your hands sore the next day. You can also take your #2.5, try to shut it as far as you can, then use your other hand to close it even further and then hold at that position until the gripper starts opening up - NEGATIVES - these will really bring you to closing the #2.5. Probably in 1-2 training sessions the #2.5 will be conquered! Hope this helps. Thanks. Right now I do a mix of the things you've mentioned. One thing I question about the program is that (from what I've gathered) you train your hands everyday...Having trained my hands for a while now I'm just not sure my hands will be up for getting beaten down daily. After a hardcore training session and attempts to close the 2.5 I feel like I need no less than 3 days of recovery...hard to imagine I'll be up for training again the very next day if the KTA Program is as brutal as everyone says it is. So that's my biggest question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svr Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 KTA worked great for me. I used it to bring my left hand up in strength to my right. Pain is to be expected. The only negative I could say is you CAN NOT do any other grip training while on. Good Luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyGrip Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Hey all. I'm kinda new here (although some of the seasoned vets on the board know me through armwrestling). I have a question. I am almost closing the 2.5 right now and thought maybe the KTA program would be useful to me. I've done all the internet research I can on it and 99.9% of what I found is positive about the program. With that in mind, can anyone here give me any NEGATIVES about the program, or recommend AGAINST it? Or is it simply that good that everyone is on the same page?Thanks in advance for the feedback. No one will give you any bad feedback on the KTA, except that your hands will cry in pain sometimes as you're getting stronger! I've never done the KTA, but from many who spoke about it - it seems that it's something that really works. You can still manage to get stronger on grippers and certify on the #3, without the KTA - but it is helpful to many. I think I figured out all the training techniques of the KTA just by reading the CoC book and speaking to many on here at the Board. I do recommend you assess every aspect of Gripper training and evaluate what you think might work and then experiment with your training. You most likely already know about the following training methods, but I'll just go through them again, because these 2 are musts! If you're almost closing your #2.5 now, then I would recommend you do Severe Holds w/ the #2 to get your hands stronger. If you can close the #2 with both hands, then that's great - you can just use that gripper and do singles w/ it - holding it until failure each time! Watch your hands really burn from this and you will notice your hands sore the next day. You can also take your #2.5, try to shut it as far as you can, then use your other hand to close it even further and then hold at that position until the gripper starts opening up - NEGATIVES - these will really bring you to closing the #2.5. Probably in 1-2 training sessions the #2.5 will be conquered! Hope this helps. Thanks. Right now I do a mix of the things you've mentioned. One thing I question about the program is that (from what I've gathered) you train your hands everyday...Having trained my hands for a while now I'm just not sure my hands will be up for getting beaten down daily. After a hardcore training session and attempts to close the 2.5 I feel like I need no less than 3 days of recovery...hard to imagine I'll be up for training again the very next day if the KTA Program is as brutal as everyone says it is. So that's my biggest question. I'd have to say that I feel the hands need days to recover also. When you do really brutal training using these Holds & Negatives, you definately need time off to let your hands recover. When my hands are fresh from 3-4 days off, suddenly I'm closing grippers with authority. Maybe some people are different and can handle more stress to the hands. When I was training high rep style, I was able to do this everyday, but progression on the grippers were very minimal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geralt Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 (edited) I would definitely say purchase it. I gave it a try and it worked in getting the final bit a lot closer of my #3. I'm on my way of closing it, but since i'm feeling my indexfinger joints lately, i cut back in griptraining in general. I did the KTA cycle some time ago and it's not a program to repeat over and over. When following the program, my experience is to plan it in a quit period of work/private life, because at a certain moment, you will have to split your training over the day. I simply didn't have the time to do some reps in the morning, so i was forced to do a lot of reps in one training in the evening. That way I had a hard time getting my rep-count as high and intense as instructed. KTA also gives some very useful information in trainingtechniques which you can use in your regular griptraining Edited May 23, 2009 by Geralt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Hey all. I'm kinda new here (although some of the seasoned vets on the board know me through armwrestling). I have a question. I am almost closing the 2.5 right now and thought maybe the KTA program would be useful to me. I've done all the internet research I can on it and 99.9% of what I found is positive about the program. With that in mind, can anyone here give me any NEGATIVES about the program, or recommend AGAINST it? Or is it simply that good that everyone is on the same page?Thanks in advance for the feedback. I don't know about negative feedback but I don't recommend doing the negatives with a gripper a whole level above what you're trying to hold. For example, it recommends doing them with a #4 if you're trying to close a #3. I'd do an elite if my goal was a #3. I found with using a gripper so far above that I just got really good at holding it 1/2" or so from closed and it didn't transfer well. With the RGC now available you should be able to really hone in and find a good negative gripper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaqwer Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Hey all. I'm kinda new here (although some of the seasoned vets on the board know me through armwrestling). I have a question. I am almost closing the 2.5 right now and thought maybe the KTA program would be useful to me. I've done all the internet research I can on it and 99.9% of what I found is positive about the program. With that in mind, can anyone here give me any NEGATIVES about the program, or recommend AGAINST it? Or is it simply that good that everyone is on the same page?Thanks in advance for the feedback. I don't know about negative feedback but I don't recommend doing the negatives with a gripper a whole level above what you're trying to hold. For example, it recommends doing them with a #4 if you're trying to close a #3. I'd do an elite if my goal was a #3. I found with using a gripper so far above that I just got really good at holding it 1/2" or so from closed and it didn't transfer well. With the RGC now available you should be able to really hone in and find a good negative gripper. Exactly what i think. I had my #2 as goal gripper when i did KTA and using the #3 for negatives felt too hard. Could close it with 2 hands but then it would instantly open up to wider then parallell. Didn't feel like it did anything for me so i went down to the #2,5 and it worked great. KTA really is amazing when you have hit a plateau and nothing seem to help you over it. Thats the only thing ive used it for and probably ever will. As long as i make gains im happy to train the way i enjoy the most which is not every day. Still i do use a lot from what ive learned in KTA adding it to my regular workout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyGrip Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 (edited) Hey all. I'm kinda new here (although some of the seasoned vets on the board know me through armwrestling). I have a question. I am almost closing the 2.5 right now and thought maybe the KTA program would be useful to me. I've done all the internet research I can on it and 99.9% of what I found is positive about the program. With that in mind, can anyone here give me any NEGATIVES about the program, or recommend AGAINST it? Or is it simply that good that everyone is on the same page?Thanks in advance for the feedback. I don't know about negative feedback but I don't recommend doing the negatives with a gripper a whole level above what you're trying to hold. For example, it recommends doing them with a #4 if you're trying to close a #3. I'd do an elite if my goal was a #3. I found with using a gripper so far above that I just got really good at holding it 1/2" or so from closed and it didn't transfer well. With the RGC now available you should be able to really hone in and find a good negative gripper. I agree with you on that as well. If you're trying to close the #2, then do negatives w/ the #2.5 max - not the #3. But why not just do negatives w/ the gripper you're trying to close (#2 in this example) ? I was trying to close the #2.5 w/ my right hand, was closing the #2 with no problem, did negatives w/ the #2.5 and finally was able to shut it. I tried doing negatives w/ the #3, but I wasn't holding it near the close. So leaving such a gap when I remove the other hand didn't feel like it was working right. Edited May 24, 2009 by DannyGrip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nostyle126 Posted May 24, 2009 Author Share Posted May 24, 2009 ^I've thought the same thing. I couldn't imagine getting much out of doing negatives with a 3.5 while I'm trying to get the 2.5 closed. The 3.5 will just be too much for me at this point and I won't be able to hold it shut long enough to get anything out of it. I do have a 3 though, and I might get more out of it than I would a 3.5, but like you said, why not just do negatives with the gripper you're stuck on? I don't know, I thought maybe the KTA program would elaborate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opnsysme Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 I bought and used it and it worked. No negative feedback. Now of course you don't need it to close a gripper but you also don't need protein or creatine. But then again if you want to get real strong fast then you take them. Same thing with KTA, ya it is hard, but what worth having is easy? If you seriously want to get strong at GB style closing of grippers (think Mash monster) then you'd be foolish not to do it. Best of luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nostyle126 Posted May 24, 2009 Author Share Posted May 24, 2009 "GB style closing of grippers"...what does that mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAU1985 Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 Just using a set, the Iron Mind folks say that if you need to use any kind of set it's not a "real close" or something silly along those lines. But the fact of the matter is, some guys hands just aren't as big as others and you sometimes need a set to get your fingers on the handle to close the things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Piche Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 "that any other types of lifting should be put off " For grip, yes. For the rest of your body, heck no. It's encouraged. Squats, pulls, pressing. Just not all types of grip work. For grip work, do the program exclusively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Lipinski Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 KTA is good. Some well illustrated basics in there, and the program is solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bullitt Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 "that any other types of lifting should be put off "For grip, yes. For the rest of your body, heck no. It's encouraged. Squats, pulls, pressing. Just not all types of grip work. For grip work, do the program exclusively. What is a typical timeframe for doing the KTA program. Is it 4 weeks, 6 weeks, up to user? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Piche Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 10 weeks total including the peaking phase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Piche Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 Since KTA has a thread going.... Up until midnight US central time, Sunday, May 24.... Purchase KTA and receive Maximized Bending absolutely Free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nostyle126 Posted May 24, 2009 Author Share Posted May 24, 2009 Since KTA has a thread going....Up until midnight US central time, Sunday, May 24.... Purchase KTA and receive Maximized Bending absolutely Free Well that sucks, because I've been preparing to buy the program for the better part of this past week but the money won't be in my PayPal account for a few more days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAU1985 Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 "that any other types of lifting should be put off "For grip, yes. For the rest of your body, heck no. It's encouraged. Squats, pulls, pressing. Just not all types of grip work. For grip work, do the program exclusively. Yeah that's what I meant, I don't know why I typed lifting, I meant to say Gripping. Sorry for inadvertently spreading misinformation Bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyGrip Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 Just using a set, the Iron Mind folks say that if you need to use any kind of set it's not a "real close" or something silly along those lines. But the fact of the matter is, some guys hands just aren't as big as others and you sometimes need a set to get your fingers on the handle to close the things. You're allowed to use a set according to IronMind's Rules, just you have to demonstrate that you can slide a credit card in between the handles before the close. This is just to establish that you have complete dominance over the gripper and that the handles are around 2" before the close. This was in response to people using really wide sets to close grippers and because there was no established starting point for certification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannon Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 Just using a set, the Iron Mind folks say that if you need to use any kind of set it's not a "real close" or something silly along those lines. But the fact of the matter is, some guys hands just aren't as big as others and you sometimes need a set to get your fingers on the handle to close the things. You're allowed to use a set according to IronMind's Rules, just you have to demonstrate that you can slide a credit card in between the handles before the close. This is just to establish that you have complete dominance over the gripper and that the handles are around 2" before the close. This was in response to people using really wide sets to close grippers and because there was no established starting point for certification. Right, because 2-1/8" is the exact distance where partial dominance becomes complete dominance. Luckily it's also the universal biomechanical ideal for every athlete. Did you mean really "deep" sets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 Just using a set, the Iron Mind folks say that if you need to use any kind of set it's not a "real close" or something silly along those lines. But the fact of the matter is, some guys hands just aren't as big as others and you sometimes need a set to get your fingers on the handle to close the things. You're allowed to use a set according to IronMind's Rules, just you have to demonstrate that you can slide a credit card in between the handles before the close. This is just to establish that you have complete dominance over the gripper and that the handles are around 2" before the close. This was in response to people using really wide sets to close grippers and because there was no established starting point for certification. Right, because 2-1/8" is the exact distance where partial dominance becomes complete dominance. Luckily it's also the universal biomechanical ideal for every athlete. Did you mean really "deep" sets? LMAO! I was going to try and resist bashing IM in regards DannyGrip's comment but this has definitely got the creative juices flowing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nockowt1 Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 I was inconsistent in closing the #2.5 and BBSM prior to doing KTA. I'm now closing the #3. If you're not used to high volume grip work and your hands aren't tough KTA will be difficult, but the results are worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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