BigTallOx Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 I got my CoC #2 yesterday, and I got it the 3rd time I tried, but then I couldn't do it again. I guess my grip lacks endurance. I didn't even try the #2.5 I'm really liking the grip training I've been doing ( for about a month ), but I have no idea if I'm training correctly. Are there any predefined grip training programs around, ones that are known to give good results? Quote 6'8" 328 pounds 43 years old 14% body fat Started powerlifting Aug 2008: Squat 505, Bench 368, Dead 535 Started grip training May 2009: Pinched 35's, Coc #2, RT 180 pounds Training blog: bigtallox.blogspot.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cemery Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Search for KTA on the board. I have heard good things about it. Or read thru the training section of the board to see what is working for others. Good job on the #2 and good luck. Quote Casey Emery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kormaz Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Well done closing the #2, hope to see you closing bigger grippers in no time! Quote Peter Weight: 194lb Height: 6'1 Age: 19 "Train insane or remain the same" S.M. 2008 Current goals: MMS #3 Pull 200 (441lb) Close BBE Rep #3 - 2, 3 Cert #3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big nasty Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Good work on the #2 I see someone metioned KTA I did that program twice and I did get some good gain's but I should warn you it is very very brutal on the hand's. My hand's toke month's to recover after you might PM Ben Edwards here on the board he has helped me alot. If your closing a #2 after a month of training you have a very good start already! Quote '' KETTLEBELL'S MAKE A MAN OUT OF YOU '' '' JUST A LITTLE FISH IN A BIG POND '' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTallOx Posted May 21, 2009 Author Share Posted May 21, 2009 If your closing a #2 after a month of training you have a very good start already! Yeah, I'm happy with my progress. But it is normal to be able to close it once without too much problem ( it was hard though ) and then not to be able to do it again. I guess it made me think maybe I'm missing something in my training. Maybe not, that's just how it is, and I just need to keep doing what I'm doing. I don't know. Quote 6'8" 328 pounds 43 years old 14% body fat Started powerlifting Aug 2008: Squat 505, Bench 368, Dead 535 Started grip training May 2009: Pinched 35's, Coc #2, RT 180 pounds Training blog: bigtallox.blogspot.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princet Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 (edited) Yeah, I'm happy with my progress. But it is normal to be able to close it once without too much problem ( it was hard though ) and then not to be able to do it again. I guess it made me think maybe I'm missing something in my training. Maybe not, that's just how it is, and I just need to keep doing what I'm doing. I don't know. I experienced the same thing. I got my COC grippers (1,5 - 3) a month ago and closed the 1,5 and 2 out of the box, but it took two weeks for my hands to recover and to close the #2 again. As of now I have closed the 2,5 once, but can't close it consitantly. At least my blisters are gone. I really don't have a clue how to train grip, but the progress so far have been very good. Edited May 21, 2009 by princet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big nasty Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 I think it varies with the person with me it toke awhile I came from powerlifting had a great support grip but not much crushing or pinch. I have spent 5 year's building it all which Im pretty rounded ! I have closed a easy #3 my hub pr is 62lb's my best blob is a 42.5 and I can pinch two 35 pretty regular I have pinched 5 dime's. Now that's nothing to what some guy's do around this site but Im working on it. My problem is my hand's are short and thick do to the training if you rocket up the gripper chart good for you Im jealous lol I am just a wisk away from closing a standard #3 which is considered a 150. Do some searching around the site there are article's around written by some good gripper guy's around here trust me I have tried it all in the chase for the #3. And what I have found you need to find what work's for you we are all different what work's for me may not work for you ! I do lat's of single's,hold's and hose clamp work which is get a good hose clamp some electric tape to protect you gripper and clamp it done to crush deepth and work on the close they work good ! Quote '' KETTLEBELL'S MAKE A MAN OUT OF YOU '' '' JUST A LITTLE FISH IN A BIG POND '' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwhities Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Great job. I've noticed the samething with my grippers. I could close the T - #2 easily and after I got the #2.5, I couldn't even close the #2 and barely close the #1.5. I haven't done any gripping in the last few days. The back of my hand is sore when I grab anything that requires me to put a lot of pressure on it. So, I'm MAKING myself not touch my grippers for at least 3 to 4 days in between working out with them. I had to rest for two or three days to close my #2.5 after getting it and failing the first time. Good luck, I'm watching your great progress! Michael Quote COC Grippers: T 041409 - #1 041409 - #1.5 042709 - #2 050109 - #2.5 051409 - #3 - #3.5 - #4 Lift the Blob50. Lift 120lbs+ on 3" Crusher. (96lbs is current.) Lift 300lbs+ on 1" V-Bar. (Once I get it.) OneArmStrength YouTube OneArmStrength Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyGrip Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Great job. I've noticed the samething with my grippers. I could close the T - #2 easily and after I got the #2.5, I couldn't even close the #2 and barely close the #1.5. I haven't done any gripping in the last few days. The back of my hand is sore when I grab anything that requires me to put a lot of pressure on it. So, I'm MAKING myself not touch my grippers for at least 3 to 4 days in between working out with them. I had to rest for two or three days to close my #2.5 after getting it and failing the first time. Good luck, I'm watching your great progress! Michael Michael: Where are you sore exactly on your hand, the palms? You mean the bottom of your hand right? Anything to the forearms? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gray423.png I'm beginning to think it's all about the Muscles in the Hands when it comes to Grippers. I think when you do endurance type work, like many reps - the forearms start burning because the wrist flexors / wrist extensors are working to stabilize all that work. I wonder if anyone knows what the scientific recovery time is on the hand muscles? I do know that calves, abs, and forearms they say you can try everyday. Quote Danny 2009 goals: Close #2 LH Close #2.5 RH Rep #2 LH Rep #2.5 RH Close #2.5 LH 2010 goals: Close #3 RH Rep #2.5 LH From the Trainer to the #3! ---------------------------------------------------- Run 4 Miles in Better Time (Current: 26:50 min) Run 3 Miles in Better Time (Current: 19:30 min) BORN TO RUN "Running isn't the problem, our running shoes are!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autolupus Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Great job. I've noticed the samething with my grippers. I could close the T - #2 easily and after I got the #2.5, I couldn't even close the #2 and barely close the #1.5. I haven't done any gripping in the last few days. The back of my hand is sore when I grab anything that requires me to put a lot of pressure on it. So, I'm MAKING myself not touch my grippers for at least 3 to 4 days in between working out with them. I had to rest for two or three days to close my #2.5 after getting it and failing the first time. Good luck, I'm watching your great progress! Michael Michael: Where are you sore exactly on your hand, the palms? You mean the bottom of your hand right? Anything to the forearms? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gray423.png I'm beginning to think it's all about the Muscles in the Hands when it comes to Grippers. I think when you do endurance type work, like many reps - the forearms start burning because the wrist flexors / wrist extensors are working to stabilize all that work. I wonder if anyone knows what the scientific recovery time is on the hand muscles? I do know that calves, abs, and forearms they say you can try everyday. I'm guessing it may be the back of his hand? Am I right Michael? Quote Mike Mackenzie. Luceo non uro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omari Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Great job. I've noticed the samething with my grippers. I could close the T - #2 easily and after I got the #2.5, I couldn't even close the #2 and barely close the #1.5. I haven't done any gripping in the last few days. The back of my hand is sore when I grab anything that requires me to put a lot of pressure on it. So, I'm MAKING myself not touch my grippers for at least 3 to 4 days in between working out with them. I had to rest for two or three days to close my #2.5 after getting it and failing the first time. Good luck, I'm watching your great progress! Michael Michael: Where are you sore exactly on your hand, the palms? You mean the bottom of your hand right? Anything to the forearms? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gray423.png I'm beginning to think it's all about the Muscles in the Hands when it comes to Grippers. I think when you do endurance type work, like many reps - the forearms start burning because the wrist flexors / wrist extensors are working to stabilize all that work. I wonder if anyone knows what the scientific recovery time is on the hand muscles? I do know that calves, abs, and forearms they say you can try everyday. There's little to no muscles in the hand, hand grip strength is pretty much the extension of the muscles in the forearms. However, there are tendons in the hands, tendons take longer to recover from than muscle. That's why I train grip only 2-4 times a week depending on the level of intensity. You have to give the tendons time to recuperate in order to make improvements and to starve off potential injury. You never want to get injured. Injuries suck. Quote Goals: Close #3 COC, 585 DL RAW, Deck of Cards, 40lbs BLOB lift 4/9/09, #18 SH Lever 35lbs Plate Curl, RT 200lbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyGrip Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) Great job. I've noticed the samething with my grippers. I could close the T - #2 easily and after I got the #2.5, I couldn't even close the #2 and barely close the #1.5. I haven't done any gripping in the last few days. The back of my hand is sore when I grab anything that requires me to put a lot of pressure on it. So, I'm MAKING myself not touch my grippers for at least 3 to 4 days in between working out with them. I had to rest for two or three days to close my #2.5 after getting it and failing the first time. Good luck, I'm watching your great progress! Michael Michael: Where are you sore exactly on your hand, the palms? You mean the bottom of your hand right? Anything to the forearms? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gray423.png I'm beginning to think it's all about the Muscles in the Hands when it comes to Grippers. I think when you do endurance type work, like many reps - the forearms start burning because the wrist flexors / wrist extensors are working to stabilize all that work. I wonder if anyone knows what the scientific recovery time is on the hand muscles? I do know that calves, abs, and forearms they say you can try everyday. There's little to no muscles in the hand, hand grip strength is pretty much the extension of the muscles in the forearms. However, there are tendons in the hands, tendons take longer to recover from than muscle. That's why I train grip only 2-4 times a week depending on the level of intensity. You have to give the tendons time to recuperate in order to make improvements and to starve off potential injury. You never want to get injured. Injuries suck. Of course there are MUSCLES in the HAND! Just look at any CoC or anyone who has been doing Construction for many years, look at how thick their hands have gotten. When I first started working out - I had little skinny hands w/ no thumb pad - since I been lifting weights and training w/ grippers especially - my palms have gotten significantly thicker. Extensor muscles in the forearm? The Wrist / Finger Extensors only work as stabilizers when the gripper is in your hand. They can start to burn a bit when you do high reps because they are working at stabilizing the gripper. Perfect example are bodybuilders or anyone who has world class upper / lower forearms - can they close big grippers? NO! Tendons don't get bigger, they just get tougher. Muscles grow and those muscles on the hands have definately grown. Edited May 22, 2009 by DannyGrip Quote Danny 2009 goals: Close #2 LH Close #2.5 RH Rep #2 LH Rep #2.5 RH Close #2.5 LH 2010 goals: Close #3 RH Rep #2.5 LH From the Trainer to the #3! ---------------------------------------------------- Run 4 Miles in Better Time (Current: 26:50 min) Run 3 Miles in Better Time (Current: 19:30 min) BORN TO RUN "Running isn't the problem, our running shoes are!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omari Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Great job. I've noticed the samething with my grippers. I could close the T - #2 easily and after I got the #2.5, I couldn't even close the #2 and barely close the #1.5. I haven't done any gripping in the last few days. The back of my hand is sore when I grab anything that requires me to put a lot of pressure on it. So, I'm MAKING myself not touch my grippers for at least 3 to 4 days in between working out with them. I had to rest for two or three days to close my #2.5 after getting it and failing the first time. Good luck, I'm watching your great progress! Michael Michael: Where are you sore exactly on your hand, the palms? You mean the bottom of your hand right? Anything to the forearms? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gray423.png I'm beginning to think it's all about the Muscles in the Hands when it comes to Grippers. I think when you do endurance type work, like many reps - the forearms start burning because the wrist flexors / wrist extensors are working to stabilize all that work. I wonder if anyone knows what the scientific recovery time is on the hand muscles? I do know that calves, abs, and forearms they say you can try everyday. There's little to no muscles in the hand, hand grip strength is pretty much the extension of the muscles in the forearms. However, there are tendons in the hands, tendons take longer to recover from than muscle. That's why I train grip only 2-4 times a week depending on the level of intensity. You have to give the tendons time to recuperate in order to make improvements and to starve off potential injury. You never want to get injured. Injuries suck. Of course there are MUSCLES in the HAND! Just look at any CoC or anyone who has been doing Construction for many years, look at how thick their hands have gotten. When I first started working out - I had little skinny hands w/ no thumb pad - since I been lifting weights and training w/ grippers especially - my palms have gotten significantly thicker. Extensor muscles in the forearm? The Wrist / Finger Extensors only work as stabilizers when the gripper is in your hand. They can start to burn a bit when you do high reps because they are working at stabilizing the gripper. Perfect example are bodybuilders or anyone who has world class upper / lower forearms - can they close big grippers? NO! Tendons don't get bigger, they just get tougher. Muscles grow and those muscles on the hands have definately grown. Yes, there are muscles in the hand... very little. However the intrinsic muscles of the hand count for very little when it comes to grip strength, it is the extrinsic muscles located in the forearm that accounts for bulk of an individuals grip strength. Quote Goals: Close #3 COC, 585 DL RAW, Deck of Cards, 40lbs BLOB lift 4/9/09, #18 SH Lever 35lbs Plate Curl, RT 200lbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKtheGreek Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 6-8 328 14% bf........holy shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwhities Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Great job. I've noticed the samething with my grippers. I could close the T - #2 easily and after I got the #2.5, I couldn't even close the #2 and barely close the #1.5. I haven't done any gripping in the last few days. The back of my hand is sore when I grab anything that requires me to put a lot of pressure on it. So, I'm MAKING myself not touch my grippers for at least 3 to 4 days in between working out with them. I had to rest for two or three days to close my #2.5 after getting it and failing the first time. Good luck, I'm watching your great progress! Michael Michael: Where are you sore exactly on your hand, the palms? You mean the bottom of your hand right? Anything to the forearms? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gray423.png I'm beginning to think it's all about the Muscles in the Hands when it comes to Grippers. I think when you do endurance type work, like many reps - the forearms start burning because the wrist flexors / wrist extensors are working to stabilize all that work. I wonder if anyone knows what the scientific recovery time is on the hand muscles? I do know that calves, abs, and forearms they say you can try everyday. Sorry. The "back of my hand" is what I see while I'm typing this. I feel that it's the tendon (unless there is more muscle there.) that is sore. Even today I can feel an "ache" when I grip something. I figured it tobe tendon as well since my muscle recovery has always seemed to be pretty quick. Maybe I have no idea. I just know it aches a little when I grip. Michael Quote COC Grippers: T 041409 - #1 041409 - #1.5 042709 - #2 050109 - #2.5 051409 - #3 - #3.5 - #4 Lift the Blob50. Lift 120lbs+ on 3" Crusher. (96lbs is current.) Lift 300lbs+ on 1" V-Bar. (Once I get it.) OneArmStrength YouTube OneArmStrength Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autolupus Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Sorry. The "back of my hand" is what I see while I'm typing this. I feel that it's the tendon (unless there is more muscle there.) that is sore. Even today I can feel an "ache" when I grip something. I figured it tobe tendon as well since my muscle recovery has always seemed to be pretty quick. Maybe I have no idea. I just know it aches a little when I grip. Michael It's probably just your body telling you to back off a little before you get full blown tendonitis. Quote Mike Mackenzie. Luceo non uro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwhities Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Sorry. The "back of my hand" is what I see while I'm typing this. I feel that it's the tendon (unless there is more muscle there.) that is sore. Even today I can feel an "ache" when I grip something. I figured it tobe tendon as well since my muscle recovery has always seemed to be pretty quick. Maybe I have no idea. I just know it aches a little when I grip. Michael It's probably just your body telling you to back off a little before you get full blown tendonitis. That's why I am not doing anything grip/pinch wise till Saturday or so. I ht it hard and heavy when I started on the grippers. Now, I see what could be done, so before it happens, I'm slacking off. Michael Quote COC Grippers: T 041409 - #1 041409 - #1.5 042709 - #2 050109 - #2.5 051409 - #3 - #3.5 - #4 Lift the Blob50. Lift 120lbs+ on 3" Crusher. (96lbs is current.) Lift 300lbs+ on 1" V-Bar. (Once I get it.) OneArmStrength YouTube OneArmStrength Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdog Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Sorry. The "back of my hand" is what I see while I'm typing this. I feel that it's the tendon (unless there is more muscle there.) that is sore. Even today I can feel an "ache" when I grip something. I figured it tobe tendon as well since my muscle recovery has always seemed to be pretty quick. Maybe I have no idea. I just know it aches a little when I grip. Michael It's probably just your body telling you to back off a little before you get full blown tendonitis. That's why I am not doing anything grip/pinch wise till Saturday or so. I ht it hard and heavy when I started on the grippers. Now, I see what could be done, so before it happens, I'm slacking off. Michael I have full blown tendonitis and it is not fun. Keep it safe brother. Quote Done: - Close #2 COC - Hold two 45 Hamptons with Hub Grip to full extension, simultaneously both sides - Hub grip 45 Hampton with 10 extra pounds ( 4 - 2 1/2s) on each hand to full extension -Hub grip 60# -Pinch grip two 25s on each hand to full extension Goals: -Get thumb pad a lot bigger -Close #2.5 COC -Close #3 COC -Wrist Wrench #100 -FBBC 2.5 Crusher #170 -pinch two 35s one hand to full extension Me: -Height: 5' 10" -Weight: 184 lbs -BP 102/60 -Pulse 60 -Hand size: 7 7/8" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chriselv Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Comparing wrist curls and grippers is like comparing squat and leg press Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyGrip Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) Comparing wrist curls and grippers is like comparing squat and leg press Actually NO! If you can squat a lot, most likely you can leg press a lot, squats and leg press go hand in hand. The leg press machine is designed in an angle where you would have to put about double the weight of what you can squat to get a good workout. That's just the design, but you can definately challenge the muscles in a simliar way to as the squat. The Squat & Leg Press overall do work the same muscles, the squat being more challenging and demanding of course. Now wrist curls and grippers are two totally independent functions where the strengths can flunctuate greatly. ex: someone wrist curling a lot of weight but cannot close #1, or someone who can close a #2.5 and can't wrist curl much weight. Edited May 22, 2009 by DannyGrip Quote Danny 2009 goals: Close #2 LH Close #2.5 RH Rep #2 LH Rep #2.5 RH Close #2.5 LH 2010 goals: Close #3 RH Rep #2.5 LH From the Trainer to the #3! ---------------------------------------------------- Run 4 Miles in Better Time (Current: 26:50 min) Run 3 Miles in Better Time (Current: 19:30 min) BORN TO RUN "Running isn't the problem, our running shoes are!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chriselv Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Comparing wrist curls and grippers is like comparing squat and leg press Actually NO! If you can squat a lot, most likely you can leg press a lot, squats and leg press go hand in hand. The leg press machine is designed in an angle where you would have to put about double the weight of what you can squat to get a good workout. That's just the design, but you can definately challenge the muscles in a simliar way to as the squat. The Squat & Leg Press overall do work the same muscles, the squat being more challenging and demanding of course. Now wrist curls and grippers are two totally independent functions where the strengths can flunctuate greatly. ex: someone wrist curling a lot of weight but cannot close #1, or someone who can close a #2.5 and can't wrist curl much weight. My point was that the squat and the leg press is completely different excercises, although the attack some of the same muscles. I've seen people leg press enourmous amounts weights and not being able to squat a respecatble weight. The leg press is a very "false" excercise that don't let you use any of your supporting muscles. But like you say, if you squat a lot, you can probably leg press a lot. The carryover training effect from leg press to squat is very low, but from squat to leg press it's high. I think I read your earlier posts a bit too fast, we actually agree about wrist curls and grippers (a very low carry-over effect) I train wrist curls to strengthen my wrist (pretty obvious), not because I think my crushing grip will get any stronger. Bodybuilders train with a lot of reps to build mass, you should use low reps and high weight to build strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omari Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Danny, you are comparing apples to oranges. I never insinuated that the size of ones forearms to directly correlated to ones strenght. We all know the difference between sarcoplasmic hypertrophy and myofibrillar hypertrophy. I simply just stated that the majority of gripping power is generated from the forearms. Quote Goals: Close #3 COC, 585 DL RAW, Deck of Cards, 40lbs BLOB lift 4/9/09, #18 SH Lever 35lbs Plate Curl, RT 200lbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyGrip Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) Comparing wrist curls and grippers is like comparing squat and leg press Actually NO! If you can squat a lot, most likely you can leg press a lot, squats and leg press go hand in hand. The leg press machine is designed in an angle where you would have to put about double the weight of what you can squat to get a good workout. That's just the design, but you can definately challenge the muscles in a simliar way to as the squat. The Squat & Leg Press overall do work the same muscles, the squat being more challenging and demanding of course. Now wrist curls and grippers are two totally independent functions where the strengths can flunctuate greatly. ex: someone wrist curling a lot of weight but cannot close #1, or someone who can close a #2.5 and can't wrist curl much weight. My point was that the squat and the leg press is completely different excercises, although the attack some of the same muscles. I've seen people leg press enourmous amounts weights and not being able to squat a respecatble weight. The leg press is a very "false" excercise that don't let you use any of your supporting muscles. But like you say, if you squat a lot, you can probably leg press a lot. The carryover training effect from leg press to squat is very low, but from squat to leg press it's high. I think I read your earlier posts a bit too fast, we actually agree about wrist curls and grippers (a very low carry-over effect) I train wrist curls to strengthen my wrist (pretty obvious), not because I think my crushing grip will get any stronger. Bodybuilders train with a lot of reps to build mass, you should use low reps and high weight to build strength. You're definately right about the leg press in comparison to the squat. If you squat a lot, for sure you can leg press a lot. But if you leg press a lot, doesn't necessarily mean you can squat a lot because squatting requires strong stabilization - such as having the bar hang over your traps. A lot of people doing the leg press though don't go all the way down, this can also hinder their performance on the squat. The movement is the same though - same synergist muscles involved, just the stabilizers are different. The point I was making before, is that wrist strength / forearm size, mass, and strength have no bearing on how strong you will be on GRIP. Huge forearms - usually means strong wrists. Bodybuilders possess a forearm that is well developed in every aspect you can imagine and they also do low reps for wrists, as well as high reps - just there is no carry over from wrist strength / forearm size to actual strength on grippers. Dr. Strossen makes a point on the grippers, where he emphasizes that high reps will do nothing for you if you want to develop crushing power. I once spoke to him about this and he explained to me that the burning in the forearm is just all the muscles tensing up for stabilizing the gripper (endurance work) and that very low reps will push the hands to their limits for strength on grippers. We are all witnesses of this as the reason why we aren't training w/ grippers today for example is because our hands are still sore (not our forearms). Edited May 22, 2009 by DannyGrip Quote Danny 2009 goals: Close #2 LH Close #2.5 RH Rep #2 LH Rep #2.5 RH Close #2.5 LH 2010 goals: Close #3 RH Rep #2.5 LH From the Trainer to the #3! ---------------------------------------------------- Run 4 Miles in Better Time (Current: 26:50 min) Run 3 Miles in Better Time (Current: 19:30 min) BORN TO RUN "Running isn't the problem, our running shoes are!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chriselv Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 You're definately right about the leg press in comparison to the squat. If you squat a lot, for sure you can leg press a lot. But if you leg press a lot, doesn't necessarily mean you can squat a lot because squatting requires strong stabilization - such as having the bar hang over your traps. A lot of people doing the leg press though don't go all the way down, this can also hinder their performance on the squat. The movement is the same though - same synergist muscles involved, just the stabilizers are different.The point I was making before, is that wrist strength / forearm size, mass, and strength have no bearing on how strong you will be on GRIP. Huge forearms - usually means strong wrists. Bodybuilders possess a forearm that is well developed in every aspect you can imagine and they also do low reps for wrists, as well as high reps - just there is no carry over from wrist strength / forearm size to actual strength on grippers. Dr. Strossen makes a point on the grippers, where he emphasizes that high reps will do nothing for you if you want to develop crushing power. I once spoke to him about this and he explained to me that the burning in the forearm is just all the muscles tensing up for stabilizing the gripper (endurance work) and that very low reps will push the hands to their limits for strength on grippers. We are all witnesses of this as the reason why we aren't training w/ grippers today for example is because our hands are still sore (not our forearms). Yep I agree. I've learned that the muscles used for crushing grip are pretty small, and located deep in the forearm. Therefore your forearm size will not grow substantialy when you gain strength and muscle size through gripping. In addition to this, gripping is a strength excercise, not a mass building exercise. I also think that grippers are very specific, and that it doesn't have a large carry-over effect to other aspects of forearm and grip strength (with an exeption of holding a heavy bar, if you train a lot of gripper holds). The reason people gain very much gripper strength when they start gripping for the first time is mainly due to the CNS, not stronger muscles. I'm from a small village where it's common to do a lot of heavy labour. And I've "forced" most of my friends to try the COC's, and every single one of them, from small to big people close #1 without any problem. A friend of mine even closed the #2 without having touched a weight in his life. This may show that crushing strength is very representative to work and overall hand strength, probably in the way squat - leg press work. If you have a naturally strong grip, you will be strong at closing grippers, but by training grippers you won't necessarily get a overall strong hand. I don't know if this makes any sense, but this is the way that I look at gripper strength Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chriselv Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 If your closing a #2 after a month of training you have a very good start already! Yeah, I'm happy with my progress. But it is normal to be able to close it once without too much problem ( it was hard though ) and then not to be able to do it again. I guess it made me think maybe I'm missing something in my training. Maybe not, that's just how it is, and I just need to keep doing what I'm doing. I don't know. I've talked to a lot of people who says that their grip strength varies a lot, from day to day. Why is that so strange? Remember that everytime you try a gripper you can barely close, you are doing a 1RM attempt. What if you tried a 1RM attempt on other exercises everytime you trained? You would probably discover that your peak strength varies a lot. Of course you couldn't try this on exercises that attacks large muscle groups due to long recovery times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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