ewokhugo Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 the edgin its my ultimate goal for this year ... i am not sure if i can get close or not but this is one hard bolt for sure(triangule). just to get one idea how hard are they ? much harder than the shiny? luuc already put the the edgin at 10 cm (maybe less)right mate? i think u are most interest in barehanded bending now ..:-) i have trouble to wraps the head of the bolt tight any idea to improve it? thanks in advcance Quote Hugo Sá e Castro 33, 6"0", 200 lbs.
David_wigren Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 They are hard for sure. And how far from a shiny it is depends. The triangle head Edgins have appeared to vary some between 585 and 545. The 545 might not be that much more difficult than a regular shiny or 303 stainless. The head gets in the way and I've never figured out how to wrap it real good. I've seen some that have cut off the head to get rid of that problem. Quote
acorn Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 They are not too bad, nice warmup bends Either would have been much preferred to what I tried to bend last night. - Aaron Quote ** Retired **
easyWeight Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 They are not too bad, nice warmup bends Either would have been much preferred to what I tried to bend last night. - Aaron Which was? Quote der Bär My YouTube
acorn Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 They are not too bad, nice warmup bends Either would have been much preferred to what I tried to bend last night. - Aaron Which was? Mag shiny in IM pads. Quote ** Retired **
ewokhugo Posted March 12, 2009 Author Posted March 12, 2009 Aaron is a bad man! ... (:-) Quote Hugo Sá e Castro 33, 6"0", 200 lbs.
matthcarl Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 Hugo, for puny steel benders like me, the Edgin is harder to kink than a shiny, though I got both stuck around the same spot trying to crush them down. Onbiously the SUPERKINK is my strong point, but I wouldn't be surprised if you could do some major damage on one. I'm talking about a 7" Edgin. I'm a long way from even thinking about cutting one down. Quote Name: Matt Carl Runner, Graphomaniac, Steel Bending Fiend
luuc Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 Wrapping the head is hard, I just wrap around it as tight as possible, and when fully wrapt, it's pretty tight. You can try to bend them first without the head, to get an idea of it's strength, and when you know it's just another piece of steel that has to obey you, get one with the head and smash it. I'll try one soon, but I want to see some severely damaged Edgin's from you too Hugo!!! Just don't give up, when you're able to kink it, you can finish it! Quote The art of barehanded bending
ewokhugo Posted March 12, 2009 Author Posted March 12, 2009 thanks luuc! very good info and nice words:-) i will probably kill the head of the 7" edgin just to get an idea:) i like to keep trophy with the head on , but your advice makes a lot of sense:-) Quote Hugo Sá e Castro 33, 6"0", 200 lbs.
acorn Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 Hugo, I have a couple different ways I deal with the bolt heads. if your wraps are intact (not full of holes) add some chalk around the head before you wrap to fill in. if they are holey like mine put the bolt head in one of the holes in the leather when you wrap up. Hope this helps, Aaron Quote ** Retired **
matthcarl Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 I personally like having the head on a bolt. It seems to me the wraps mold around it and it's less likely to slip than the thread end, and gives a little bit more leverage. Quote Name: Matt Carl Runner, Graphomaniac, Steel Bending Fiend
ewokhugo Posted March 12, 2009 Author Posted March 12, 2009 (edited) Matt, the edgin its my favourite bolt at the moment i may give it a try soon. i doubt i can go beyond the crushdown. already give it a shoot once(mini-kink) i thought it was hard but my mind its stronger now. Aaron: thanks for the help. add chalk to the head its new to me,thanks for sharing. Darin: will u give it a try tomorrow? i now u can do it! it would be your P.B ! Edited March 12, 2009 by ewokhugo Quote Hugo Sá e Castro 33, 6"0", 200 lbs.
easyWeight Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 (edited) No, I won't be bending tomorrow. I just did a little bending for the first time in a week. I attempted the Red in IMPs and failed miserably! I simply can't kink very well with them yet. I'm pretty sure my form is somehow different also. Not sure what it is. Edited March 12, 2009 by easyWeight Quote der Bär My YouTube
gumpster Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 Hugo, if you have another day like the last one where you're feeling strong I think you'll do some damage to an Edgin. As far as the wrapping of the bolt with the head...you can sacrifice one inner wrap to make it like this. Ben suggested it in my Grade 8 thread and I had done it months ago not knowing if it was legal and stopped. I made up a photo sequence to show how it's done. You just have to cut the right spot since once it's wrapped you can't slide it up or down. wrapping a bolt with the head Quote Name: Perry6'4", 170lbsGoals:MMS close #3 - 11May2010...after 3yr 4mo on grippersRed/Bastard
ewokhugo Posted March 12, 2009 Author Posted March 12, 2009 Darin, bending the red in IM wraps its much different than using leather(fat pads)! i am not sure if i can bend one g8 in IM ... ! actually dont have any g8's ... be positive , its a big step the one u tried today ... u already did it once(kink and finished it later , so u can do it AGAIN) the index fingers got a lot of punishment ... i feel the same and i hate it but its good to overcome my fear of dark ...lol Perry, i was waiting for this pic (i know u already post it once) sounds like a GREAT idea! thanks bro! its legal?? are u going to try the red tomorrow?:-) Quote Hugo Sá e Castro 33, 6"0", 200 lbs.
gumpster Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 its legal??are u going to try the red tomorrow?:-) Ben said this was exactly what he was suggesting so I think it's OK. The RED...Sunday - if all goes well. Quote Name: Perry6'4", 170lbsGoals:MMS close #3 - 11May2010...after 3yr 4mo on grippersRed/Bastard
ewokhugo Posted March 13, 2009 Author Posted March 13, 2009 red nail will die! :-) Quote Hugo Sá e Castro 33, 6"0", 200 lbs.
yodajaeger Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 Hugo, if you have another day like the last one where you're feeling strong I think you'll do some damage to an Edgin. As far as the wrapping of the bolt with the head...you can sacrifice one inner wrap to make it like this. Ben suggested it in my Grade 8 thread and I had done it months ago not knowing if it was legal and stopped. I made up a photo sequence to show how it's done. You just have to cut the right spot since once it's wrapped you can't slide it up or down. wrapping a bolt with the head Mm, but...why...don't...you...just...cut...the...head...off? Quote
yodajaeger Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 No, I won't be bending tomorrow. I just did a little bending for the first time in a week. I attempted the Red in IMPs and failed miserably! I simply can't kink very well with them yet. I'm pretty sure my form is somehow different also. Not sure what it is. Simple. When you use IM pads you are forced to use the wrists more, and apply torque instead of just pushing. Two somewhat different techniques. I can't bend a red nail in fatpads(the fatpads absorbs the power from my wrists), but I do it without any major effort with IM pads, simply because I only train with IMPs or 1 layer of suede (especially with square stock). And IMPs is also much more painful to use. Quote
gumpster Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 Mm, but...why...don't...you...just...cut...the...head...off? 1. don't have bolt cutters (cutting with a hacksaw would suck for a bend on video) 2. you have to bend it further with the head cut off to make it under 2" (reverse & DU this doesn't apply) Quote Name: Perry6'4", 170lbsGoals:MMS close #3 - 11May2010...after 3yr 4mo on grippersRed/Bastard
yodajaeger Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 Mm, but...why...don't...you...just...cut...the...head...off? 1. don't have bolt cutters (cutting with a hacksaw would suck for a bend on video) 2. you have to bend it further with the head cut off to make it under 2" (reverse & DU this doesn't apply) 1. Ah, good reason. But you really should save for a bolt cutter, makes bending much funnier! Quote
ewokhugo Posted March 13, 2009 Author Posted March 13, 2009 Simple. When you use IM pads you are forced to use the wrists more, and apply torque instead of just pushing. Henrik (sp?): wich exercice its teh more effective to build torque power? LOl Perry i found a very good bolt cutter at my chinease store(up to 5/16" stock) by 19 euros. Quote Hugo Sá e Castro 33, 6"0", 200 lbs.
gazza Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 Edgins? 7inch=Fun Warmup 6inch=Easy 5inch=Easyish 4inch=Hard In ironmind pads harder Quote "There he goes. One of gods own prototypes. A high powered mutant of some kind never ever considered for mass production.Too weird to live and too rare to die."
easyWeight Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 (edited) No, I won't be bending tomorrow. I just did a little bending for the first time in a week. I attempted the Red in IMPs and failed miserably! I simply can't kink very well with them yet. I'm pretty sure my form is somehow different also. Not sure what it is. Simple. When you use IM pads you are forced to use the wrists more, and apply torque instead of just pushing. Two somewhat different techniques. I can't bend a red nail in fatpads(the fatpads absorbs the power from my wrists), but I do it without any major effort with IM pads, simply because I only train with IMPs or 1 layer of suede (especially with square stock). And IMPs is also much more painful to use. Hmmm, not saying I know better, but IMO there isn't any more wrist used with IMPs than with fat pads using DO technique. The difference IMO is that the fat pads are more rigid and actually give you a leverage advantage. Hence why you can "pistol grip" them way out on the ends. IMPs take that extra leverage out because they're more pliable. Consequently, you have to have more hand on the bar. Also, you're right on the money with being good at what you train with. I've only had my IMPs for a short time and haven't used them that much yet. It'll come around. Edited March 13, 2009 by easyWeight Quote der Bär My YouTube
ewokhugo Posted March 13, 2009 Author Posted March 13, 2009 gazza: hilarious!! Darin, u will get your red nail cert this year if u train more often with im wraps! i have no doubt(the only small "problem"=it must be under 1 minute mark) Quote Hugo Sá e Castro 33, 6"0", 200 lbs.
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