Ccs And No-set Training

[spahn ranch]

Do some of you always train TSGs CCS as opposed to No-Set, or do you usually No-Set the ones you warm up with?

What do you find are the benefits and possibly disadvantages with either approach to your TSG training?

I guess that practicing CCS with easy grippers is a good idea if ones primary goal is to CCS a specific TSG, but for the long haul will constant use of CCS be less beneficial for hand streangth and health than No-Set?

[Bob Lipinski]

From my experience, setting the gripper to a comfortable point is the best way to train. When I was strongest with a Mash Monster type set, I was strongest all around.

[superfeemiman]

From my experience, setting the gripper to a comfortable point is the best way to train. When I was strongest with a Mash Monster type set, I was strongest all around.

Agreed.

A couple of things to keep in mind: Hand size and the spread of grippers. A #1's strength is not going to be very different with a no set or a CCS, but a with a #3, which will naturally have a bigger spread, you will notice a pretty big difference in the CCS and No set difficulty if you medium sized hands.

[mobsterone]

I've argued this before but it does depend on the goal.

Gripper strength: Firstly we should not move too far away from what our original intention was when picking up and attempting to close a gripper. With the rare exception most will have 'no set' it and most still understand that that is what grippers are for. Else they'd all come with 1" spreads.

Hand strength: This MIGHT allow for the small setting of a gripper to suit hand size but only a midget would need to parallel of MM set a gripper.

Handshake power: this requires a wide setting. Unless you shake the hands of dwarfs or children a normal size hand is at least as wide as the spread on most grippers.

[Scott Styles]

I think training grippers with an extremely wide set is asking for injury. For me, with 7" hands, a credit card set is too wide to be productive.

[Wes]

I think training grippers with an extremely wide set is asking for injury. For me, with 7" hands, a credit card set is too wide to be productive.

Interesting. All my gripper related injuries came from when I did paralell set work. Haven't had a single problem from grippers since I switched to wide sets and no sets only. And I'm stronger all around. You don't neccesarily have to use CCS, just the widest set that your handsize will allow and the benefits would be the same as a larger handed person using a CCS

Edited August 5, 2007 by Wes

[ox3782]

I think training grippers with an extremely wide set is asking for injury. For me, with 7" hands, a credit card set is too wide to be productive.

Interesting. All my gripper related injuries came from when I did paralell set work. Haven't had a single problem from grippers since I switched to wide sets and no sets only. And I'm stronger all around. You don't neccesarily have to use CCS, just the widest set that your handsize will allow and the benefits would be the same as a larger handed person using a CCS

I agree Wes.

Brendan

[AP]

This has all been talked about before. I didn't feel like I got much benefit from no set work. But with >8" hand Thomas you'll probably be ok with either no set or CCS just depends on your goals.

[Alawadhi]

I think training grippers with an extremely wide set is asking for injury. For me, with 7" hands, a credit card set is too wide to be productive.

You only think or did you try wide sets and injured yourself?

[superfeemiman]

I made another post in a topic where I said the same thing. I felt some kind of clicking in the back of my hand when I did lots of no set work, while I could do the same amount using CCS or MMS and I would never get that.

[Scott Styles]

I tried a few workouts no set. My knuckles started to ache in a bad way, and I went back to training with narrow sets. I wouldn't doubt that for someone with hands larger than mine, a credit card set is OK, but it's too wide to be productive for me.

I prefer to do my gripper work with reps that a little wider than an inch. If I do a lot of deep gripper work, with narrow chokers and heavy sets, that also leaves my knuckles hurting. It's a fine balance.

[CoC#3]

I can't get the gripper into the sweet spot unless i use a set 1'' or less.

Edited August 5, 2007 by CoC#3

[spahn ranch]

This has all been talked about before. I didn't feel like I got much benefit from no set work. But with >8" hand Thomas you'll probably be ok with either no set or CCS just depends on your goals.

I've read reports in old threads on no set progress from MMS training. I'm not very firm yet on gripper goals, except I want to eventually possess total world domination over the #2, in both hands certainly; and I think I should be closing the #3 too on one of those days (not one of these, and I don't even have a 3 yet).

My main concern - and to which I haven't found any real consensus and guidelines - is whether one of deep or shallow set is more likely to cause injury than the other. A fuller range of motion seems to me like the natural thing to be doing; which of course rather poorly explains why most guys do a lot or most of their training with parallel set. But if that works and keeps their hands healthy and ever stronger crushing regardless of set, then maybe I should leave no set in the dust. Judging from the feedback here though, I think I will keep clicking my easy grippers no set and go for deeper sets with tougher grippers, and learn what works best for my hands.

I recognize hand size as a very real limiting factor for no set, and that some guys don't have the same "right" feeling about no setting a 2.75" spread as I and I suppose other slightly larger hand guys do. That said about "right"; whereas I never have a technically poor TNS attempt in my right hand, the left is clearly my weak and stupid hand. Hopefully it's a case of drilling the left to slowly learn from the right. Then on deep settings like MMS, some crushes feel alright to me, and other times I must be missing my sweet spot by a mm or two and not only is the crush harder but the handle hurts the palm bad enough that I have to abort the attempt. It's never supposed to hurt like hell to MMS crush, or is it?

[CoC#3]

Agree with you about the 2.75'' spread. I can no set some big stuff this width, any wider and i get beaten usually.

Your left is propbably an issue of coordination with it. Just rep the trainer or #1 soon it'll feel more natural.

MMS closes shouldn't hurt in a bad way.

My hands feel strongest as a whole when my deeper set crush is at it's strongest. MY TNS can be strong even if my MMS is weak - for me TNS is more positioning hit or miss than anything else.