JeremyFXDWG Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 I post this seeking advise as I decided last week that I really wanted to seriously start training for grip strength. As part of this I have really set my goal to be closing a #3 CoC. I understand that gripper work and overall grip strength are not the same and I want to have well rounded grip strength. Last week I ordered a #1 CoC thinking it would be a good starting point. It arrived last night and I took it out of the package hoping to get it maybe 1/2 closed. Much to my surprise I was able to click it shut about 25 times. Now I don't know what to do.. should I order a #2? What grippers would I now need to buy to do the KTA program? I feel like I kinda wasted my money on a #1. Thanks, Jeremy Quote
Bearcat 74 Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 Go ahead and buy a 2 an 3 is you can afford it. KTA will require a goal gripper, a gripper you can close and it will need to be filed, and I would suggest a heavier gripper for negs. Honestly, I would train for a few months before getting KTA. It is a great program but you will benifit from better base strength before tackling KTA. Quote Real Name: Heath Sexton Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ These hills and hollers are still my home Some people call me Hillbilly Some people call me Mountain Man Well, you can call me Appalachia ‘Cause Appalachia is what I am
mbcx6pmw Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 I don't think you've wasted your money. Even guys who are already closing the #3 and above still use easier grippers for warm ups and rep work etc. If you can do 25 full range reps on a #1 you should be able to close a #2 I would expect. For kta you need a gripper that you can overcrush (but not too easy), a goal gripper and one harder than your goal gripper. Quote Paul Wood
climber511 Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 First - nice job on the #1 - very impressive! Second - yes, you probably want to order a #2 and also a 2.5 and 3 at some point. If you could find someone from the board close to you and try some different strength grippers, you might get a better idea of what you need and save a few bucks. Third - I'm not knocking KTA here but doing a highly specialized gripper program before doing a couple months of a more general forearm and hand strengthening program would be a mistake in my opinion. David Horne has an excellent program for people just starting into grip - it will give you the overall balanced development you need to avoid injuries when doing the more advanced routines later on. You might look at it first. Good Luck to you Quote When people used to ask him how it was he became so incredibly strong, it was always the same, "strengthen your mind, the rest will follow". The Mighty Atom Age wrinkles the body. Quitting wrinkles the soul. Being prepared for any random task is not the same thing as preparing randomly for any task. Greg Everett
matthcarl Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 Third - I'm not knocking KTA here but doing a highly specialized gripper program before doing a couple months of a more general forearm and hand strengthening program would be a mistake in my opinion. David Horne has an excellent program for people just starting into grip - it will give you the overall balanced development you need to avoid injuries when doing the more advanced routines later on. You might look at it first. Good Luck to you I just want to say that I recently started David Horne's workout (pinned here somewhere) and I think it's great. I thought I had pretty strong forearms, but the first time I tried it (with light weights) I was so burn I could hardly drive home from the gym. Quote Name: Matt Carl Runner, Graphomaniac, Steel Bending Fiend
Mikael Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 (edited) If you can do 25 full range reps on a #1 you should be able to close a #2 I would expect. Hm... the other day I did 25 on my T, but I still can't close my #1. And the difference between a #1 and a #2 is even greater. But of course, everybody is different. Edited August 1, 2007 by Mikael Quote
Brad Manion Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 The advice from climber511 is exactly what I would do: buy the #2, 2.5, and the #3. On a good day, I can do 25 reps with the #1 with my right hand, and depending on how well I've warmed up and whose #2 I am using, I can do anywhere from 1-5 reps with the #2 with my right hand. With that being said, don't neglect the differences in strength between your right and left hands. Even though you'll want to get the #3 and you likely will with your stronger hand, failing to address your non-dominant hand can lead to problems. In my case, there is a definite difference with my right hand being much stronger than my left. This makes it very difficult for me to apply the crush needed to hold nails/bolts in place when doing double-overhand bending, and thus, one reason why I haven't bent an IM-Red/FBBC-Bastard despite having bent 1/4" thick objects that calibrate out to be tougher bends. For that reason, I'm probably going to buy a 1.5 for my left hand and a 2.5 for my right hand. Hope this helps. Best of luck to you. Quote
mbcx6pmw Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 If you can do 25 full range reps on a #1 you should be able to close a #2 I would expect. Hm... the other day I did 25 on my T, but I still can't close my #1. And the difference between a #1 and a #2 is even greater. But of course, everybody is different. True, although percentage wise the gap is about the same. Keep at it, it will go down soon Quote Paul Wood
hab34buy Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 (edited) Don't know if anyone else said this or not... but I don't think just because you can close the #1 easily it was a waste of money. What you can do is use it for training individual fingers as well as the two lower fingers. For instance, you could invert the gripper (turn upside down) and sqeeze it with just the ring and little finger. Also, you could use it by closing it with just a single finger, even if only for negatives. I use weaker grippers for this and warmups, that way they aren't a money waste. ~Jw Edited August 1, 2007 by jw7 Quote Jared "JW" Walker Goals: To Reach Tomorrow What I Couldn't Today
JeremyFXDWG Posted August 1, 2007 Author Posted August 1, 2007 Thanks for all the suggestions. I am going to check out the beginer routine for a while... It will be good experience and make sure I have well rounded grip strength..... sitting at my desk all day certainly is not making my grip stronger. I may buy a #2 soon just to satisfy my curiosity of what I am up against. This is a great board... I can't wait to get further down the road of grip strength. Jeremy Quote
Koura Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 I think you will still buy someday all Cocs range 1-4 :P Quote Niko Eerola, Finland http://www.youtube.c...ser/Ombombo#p/u
pawel r Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 http://www.leeapperson.com/bookone/page6intensity.html http://www.geocities.com/ltgodfrey/three.html http://www.grippage.com/ http://www.gripfaq.com/Hand_Strength_and_G...ength_Tutorial/ Quote
pawel r Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 I post this seeking advise as I decided last week that I really wanted to seriously start training for grip strength. As part of this I have really set my goal to be closing a #3 CoC. I understand that gripper work and overall grip strength are not the same and I want to have well rounded grip strength. Last week I ordered a #1 CoC thinking it would be a good starting point. It arrived last night and I took it out of the package hoping to get it maybe 1/2 closed. Much to my surprise I was able to click it shut about 25 times. Now I don't know what to do.. should I order a #2? What grippers would I now need to buy to do the KTA program? I feel like I kinda wasted my money on a #1. Thanks, Jeremy with #1 CoC try so: http://www.ironmind.com/ironcms/opencms/sy...johnbcoc_lg.jpg http://www.obukhov-sport.ru/armp9.jpg Quote
dimmers Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 (edited) I post this seeking advise as I decided last week that I really wanted to seriously start training for grip strength. As part of this I have really set my goal to be closing a #3 CoC. I understand that gripper work and overall grip strength are not the same and I want to have well rounded grip strength. Last week I ordered a #1 CoC thinking it would be a good starting point. It arrived last night and I took it out of the package hoping to get it maybe 1/2 closed. Much to my surprise I was able to click it shut about 25 times. Now I don't know what to do.. should I order a #2? What grippers would I now need to buy to do the KTA program? I feel like I kinda wasted my money on a #1. Thanks, Jeremy with #1 CoC try so: http://www.ironmind.com/ironcms/opencms/sy...johnbcoc_lg.jpg http://www.obukhov-sport.ru/armp9.jpg http://www.ironmind.com/ironcms/opencms/sy...johnbcoc_lg.jpg that is one impressive arm!!! Edited August 19, 2007 by dimmers Quote
ox3782 Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 John Brzenk yes very impressive arm!!! Brendan Quote Brendan Dwyer | 6'1" | 204lbs | 7 7/8 inch hand
dimmers Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 John Brzenk yes very impressive arm!!! Brendan i'm even more impressed with that arm now!!! (sorry for the thread hijack!) Quote
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