gerryg Posted June 12, 2007 Posted June 12, 2007 I noticed the FBBC 6"x1/4" round is rated at 305 pounds and the 1/4"x7" hex is rated at 255 pounds. I can bend the 6" round but I'm having a tough time with the 7" hex! Has anyone else had this problem? Quote
makey98 Posted June 12, 2007 Posted June 12, 2007 The hex is harder than the round. Maybe if you could get 5 or 5 1/2 inch round you could get the hex, i don't know for sure. The reason the calibration doesn't make sense is due to the different lengths. You can't compare poundages of different lengths. I think that the 7 inch round would be around 240 or so.....makes more sense that way. Good luck! Quote Current Goals: COC #2.5 45# blob R-Grade 5/G8 DO Deck of cards <10 sec.
gerryg Posted June 12, 2007 Author Posted June 12, 2007 I was thinking about cutting down some of my FBBC 1/4" round to 5.5" and 5". This bending stuff is tough, I tip my hat to all you bending beasts! Quote
vikingsrule92 Posted June 12, 2007 Posted June 12, 2007 The hex is harder than the round. Maybe if you could get 5 or 5 1/2 inch round you could get the hex, i don't know for sure. The reason the calibration doesn't make sense is due to the different lengths. You can't compare poundages of different lengths. I think that the 7 inch round would be around 240 or so.....makes more sense that way. Good luck! completely true except the 5 1/2" part. You CAN NOT compare nails of different lengths (told to me by one of the true greats acorn). This is because the longer length makes it more awkward and harder to kink. In order to be able to get long nails, PRACTICE WITH LONG NAILS. In fact a piece of advice he gave me was to practice with 7.5" nails to help you get the hang of long nails and help with form and the kink. DO that with some hard stuff like 1/4" CRS and other stuff and you will get better with long nails. Also try taping small stuff to bigger stuff like 3/16" round to a 1/4" round and bend that. It helps. Quote
neilkaz Posted June 12, 2007 Posted June 12, 2007 I was thinking about cutting down some of my FBBC 1/4" round to 5.5" and 5". This bending stuff is tough, I tip my hat to all you bending beasts! You can certainly microload by cutting it shorter every 1/8" if you want. As for 1/4" hex vs round. Perhaps Eric tested an easy piece of hex (noting steel varies ) since at for 5/16" x 7" hex vs round there is a 10% difference and for 5/16" x 6" vs round a 12.5% difference. I recall calculating about a 12 or 13% difference for hex vs round, but my method is only an approximation. I haven't worked as an engineer (my college degree) in over 16 years and I have yet to find the proper spot online to refresh my memory as to how to calculate this. I will soon have Fastenal 1/4" round, hex, and square off to Eric to calibrate and to see the difference between the same 1018 steel in different shapes. .. neilkaz .. Quote
Cunny Posted June 12, 2007 Posted June 12, 2007 Yeah I am struggling on longer bars I think it is something to do with leverage Quote
Alawadhi Posted June 12, 2007 Posted June 12, 2007 (edited) I had one FBBC 1/4 hex that was harder than a G5. Steel varies. The hex was 7" and the G5 was 6". So if we cut the hex to 6" it will even be harder. Edited June 12, 2007 by Alawadhi Quote Read about me in my biography. Founder of Middle East and North Africa Grip Sports (MENA grip organization) "I made him an offer he couldn't refuse" ― Marlon Brando “We’re here to put a dent in the universe. Otherwise why else even be here?” ― Steve Jobs
makey98 Posted June 12, 2007 Posted June 12, 2007 The hex is harder than the round. Maybe if you could get 5 or 5 1/2 inch round you could get the hex, i don't know for sure. The reason the calibration doesn't make sense is due to the different lengths. You can't compare poundages of different lengths. I think that the 7 inch round would be around 240 or so.....makes more sense that way. Good luck! completely true except the 5 1/2" part. You CAN NOT compare nails of different lengths (told to me by one of the true greats acorn). This is because the longer length makes it more awkward and harder to kink. In order to be able to get long nails, PRACTICE WITH LONG NAILS. In fact a piece of advice he gave me was to practice with 7.5" nails to help you get the hang of long nails and help with form and the kink. DO that with some hard stuff like 1/4" CRS and other stuff and you will get better with long nails. Also try taping small stuff to bigger stuff like 3/16" round to a 1/4" round and bend that. It helps. I think you might be slightly misquoting Acorn...due to the way that Eric's calibration machine works, you can't compare POUNDAGES of different lengths of steel, but you most certainly can compare strength levels. For instance a common thought is that if you can bend a 5 inch G5 than you might be able to get a G8. Obviously different people are stronger at different lengths. Some people due to lack of flexibility or practice may have trouble with 7 inch length, but that isn't what he is talking about. If he could get the 6 inch hex, but not the 7 inch, then he would need to work on that length, but that doesn' t seem to be his problem. Quote Current Goals: COC #2.5 45# blob R-Grade 5/G8 DO Deck of cards <10 sec.
gerryg Posted June 12, 2007 Author Posted June 12, 2007 I fail at both, the FBBC 1/4"x7" hex and 1/4"x6" hex. Quote
ObsceneJester Posted June 12, 2007 Posted June 12, 2007 Yes I agree with Viking on this. YOu can't compare two different lengths. Especially if 7" is awkward for you. Quote Name: Rob H
neilkaz Posted June 13, 2007 Posted June 13, 2007 Yes I agree with Viking on this. YOu can't compare two different lengths. Especially if 7" is awkward for you. Ditto..I have short upper arms when compared to many others. Thus, my DO leverage on 7" pieces is not optimal whatsoever. .. neilkaz .. Quote
ox3782 Posted June 13, 2007 Posted June 13, 2007 I belive Gerry is using Ostland style DU! Just keep hitting that steel Gerry you will bend bigger and bigger stuff!!! Brendan Quote Brendan Dwyer | 6'1" | 204lbs | 7 7/8 inch hand
Tim71 Posted June 13, 2007 Posted June 13, 2007 You'll get it. The 7 inch length felt tremendously awkward for me at first and now I prefer it so it'll click and you'll start knocking it down. Try 7 inch round stuff and see how it goes. The 6 inch hex to me was almost as hard as a G5 if not as hard. Tim Quote
gerryg Posted June 13, 2007 Author Posted June 13, 2007 I belive Gerry is using Ostland style DU! Just keep hitting that steel Gerry you will bend bigger and bigger stuff!!! Brendan Yes, I bend DU(Ostland style).Brendan, I need you to teach me DO some day! I pretty sure my DO form stinks! Quote
neilkaz Posted June 13, 2007 Posted June 13, 2007 You'll get it. The 7 inch length felt tremendously awkward for me at first and now I prefer it so it'll click and you'll start knocking it down. Try 7 inch round stuff and see how it goes. The 6 inch hex to me was almost as hard as a G5 if not as hard.Tim As I type this from work, my kid (19 year old step son) is home working on 6" hex. I'll let you know how he does and how he compares it to the 5" cut down Yellow nail he did a couple days ago. Not so bad for someone bending less than a week ! I wish I was 19 again .. neilkaz .. Quote
gerryg Posted June 14, 2007 Author Posted June 14, 2007 I sent a few pieces of my FBBC stock to ox3782 yesterday. One of the pieces being a 6"x1/4" hex, I would like Brendan to rate it for me. Quote
ox3782 Posted June 14, 2007 Posted June 14, 2007 No Problem Gerry on both I will teach you some DO at the Barnburner and I will certainly let you know what I think of the hex I will bend it back to back with some other peices. Brendan Quote Brendan Dwyer | 6'1" | 204lbs | 7 7/8 inch hand
Booyah!!! Posted June 14, 2007 Posted June 14, 2007 Before I was able to bend a 1/4 hex I could bend hard 60Ds. The 1/4 hex is a little easier than a hard Grade 5 and apparently a bit harder than an easier grade 5. Don't get discouraged, it is a hard bend. Looks like you have some excellent people to help you with your DO I have a feeling that after your form tweaking you will own it Quote I Love Bending Steel http://www.youtube.com/user/booyahbender
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