com202 Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 I recently received some 7"x5/16" W-1 drill rod, from Booyah!!.. Thanks a million Mike!!!!!!!!!!! I love this stuff. It gets tougher as you bend it, but its not crazy hard. A good step before the Bastard I just bought some O-1 drill rod from a Fastenal store and had a friend cut it down to 7" for me and WOW.... Barely got a kink in it... Really tough, atleast for me..... I can't really compare it to FBBC for you guys cuz I'm completely out of FBBC stock and the last Bastard I bent was at the SOHGC II... If memory serves correct then the O-1 is harder than the old Bastard. Just thought this might be helpful for some of you guys.... It sure opened my eyes. If any interest, I'll send some to Eric for calibration.... If not done already.. Be Safe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 (edited) From what I remember W1 was a more impact resistant steel used in tools like hammer heads, meant to absorb force without shattering . Whereas O1 was more of a tool steel, harder and more wear resistant for cutting tools and the like. O1 would be harder, while W1 would be more malleable. Edited May 16, 2007 by Wes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObsceneJester Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 From what I remember W1 was a more impact resistant steel used in tools like hammer heads, meant to absorb force without shattering . Whereas O1 was more of a tool steel, harder and more wear resistant for cutting tools and the like. O1 would be harder, while W1 would be more malleable. So lets say a young fellow can bend a 6" 1/4 Square under 3 mins.. what size and type of drill rod would be a good step up to get the newer bastards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alawadhi Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Aaron once sent me .302 (0.302*25.4=7.6708mm) drill rod if I remember correctly. That was as hard if not a bit harder than the easier bastards. So get those keep bending them and if you can bend the 6 incher then the new hard bastard wont hane a chace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObsceneJester Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 (edited) Aaron once sent me .302 (0.302*25.4=7.6708mm) drill rod if I remember correctly. That was as hard if not a bit harder than the easier bastards. So get those keep bending them and if you can bend the 6 incher then the new hard bastard wont hane a chace. Where would I find such a drill rod? At fastnals? Would I want to get 7mm or 8mm? Edited May 16, 2007 by ObsceneJester Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim71 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 The O-1 5/16 by 7 inch I sent to Eric and it calibrated at 475 lbs. Was noticably harder than the newer harder reds and new harder bastards. The W-1 does sound like a good training aid. Fastenal has the O-1 in stock and can order the W-1 but most get it from Mcmaster. I think the 9/32 O-1 is a good tool to get to the bastards and reds. Really ramps up on you and give you a good workout. Acorn is definately the "increment master" of the drill rod world. You'd need a microscope to tell his collection apart. He's be the one who could tell you exactly which size is the best. Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acorn Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 I have a lot of the W-1 stuff and have had about 1/2 of it calibrated. one thing to be wary of is steel varies from bar to bar even with drill rod. Some of the bars came out lower than expected and did not fit the curve when Eric calibrated them for me. I think that a good .290, .302, or 5/16 W1 might be a good stepping stone to the recent stuff. but then again the 5/16 might be harder. just depends on the bar you get. Drill rod will be harder on the crush though. I think the .323x7 W1 I had was on par with a grand bastard or better. As I had others try a few at that level. As far as telling the collection apart a good set of calipers and knowing how to use them helps. That and labeling everything. . I got some 9/32CRS in not too long ago that I think might be at 7" near the challenge of a 5.5-6" g5. I should probably put some of that up for sale. - Aaron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alawadhi Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Aaron once sent me .302 (0.302*25.4=7.6708mm) drill rod if I remember correctly. That was as hard if not a bit harder than the easier bastards. So get those keep bending them and if you can bend the 6 incher then the new hard bastard wont hane a chace. Where would I find such a drill rod? At fastnals? Would I want to get 7mm or 8mm? Look for a 0.302 drill rod. That was a bit harder than the easy bastards if I remember correctly. once you master the 7" (which will be no problem because you can bend the 6" sq) then start cutting 1/4" off. Till you reach the 6". After that I think the new hard reds and the new hard bastards wont have a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acorn Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 sounds good. Although I would think 6.5x.302 might be a bit harder than either of those. btw I get that stuff from mcmaster.com. - Aaron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 sounds good. Although I would think 6.5x.302 might be a bit harder than either of those. btw I get that stuff from mcmaster.com.- Aaron How are the shipping costs from mcmaster ? There are Fastenal stores all over the US and I find the one near me nice to deal with. I'll send some 1/4" Fastenal O-1 drill rod to Eric to calibrate this weekend, once I get it and a few other things cut to size. .. neilkaz .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acorn Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 sounds good. Although I would think 6.5x.302 might be a bit harder than either of those. btw I get that stuff from mcmaster.com.- Aaron How are the shipping costs from mcmaster ? There are Fastenal stores all over the US and I find the one near me nice to deal with. I'll send some 1/4" Fastenal O-1 drill rod to Eric to calibrate this weekend, once I get it and a few other things cut to size. .. neilkaz .. The shipping costs seem pretty low to me, and I usually get the stock in the mail the day after I order it. - Aaron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimmers Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 that website looks great (mcmaster.com) but any advice for us guys in the UK? I can't find a similar website here in the UK (where do you get your drill rod from Gazza?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lone Wolf Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Aaron once sent me .302 (0.302*25.4=7.6708mm) drill rod if I remember correctly. That was as hard if not a bit harder than the easier bastards. So get those keep bending them and if you can bend the 6 incher then the new hard bastard wont hane a chace. Where would I find such a drill rod? At fastnals? Would I want to get 7mm or 8mm? Obscene get a drill bit chart at fastenal they do have metric drill rod and there drill rod sizes go in 1/64 increments you can also get letter drill rod sizes too. Between the metric and the other sizes you should find plenty to pick from sounds good. Although I would think 6.5x.302 might be a bit harder than either of those. btw I get that stuff from mcmaster.com.- Aaron How are the shipping costs from mcmaster ? There are Fastenal stores all over the US and I find the one near me nice to deal with. I'll send some 1/4" Fastenal O-1 drill rod to Eric to calibrate this weekend, once I get it and a few other things cut to size. .. neilkaz .. Hey Neil can you get some 1/4" W-1 to also send to Eric so we can see the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 that website looks great (mcmaster.com) but any advice for us guys in the UK? I can't find a similar website here in the UK (where do you get your drill rod from Gazza?) Dimmers What i had/have only big stuff i was kindly sent by kind people here if i was you and you need an alternative to FBBC stock because of shipping costs etc i would just buy stainless its dearer but you get more fight per bar so that equals more bang per buck and it will make you a better bender so the extra cost is i think justified you could jusat buy some for you tougher PR bends and use CRS,nails,bolts for volume that way saving a few quid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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