EricMilfeld Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Unlike a conventional poll, I want those responding to be identified by name. Please answer two questions: 1) Should the wrapping rules for bending certs on the Gripboard and the top 20 lists (and atleast some contests) be modified to limit the thickness of padding? 2) If yes, select one of the following maximum thicknesses when wrapped around a 5/16" bar: a) 3/4" b) 1" c) 1 1/4" d) 1 1/2" e) 1 3/4" f) 2" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimmers Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 This will be interesting Eric! 1) yes, 2) 1 1/4" * although as i said in a previous post (like many others have said as well) the rigidity of the material will play a big part in the leverage of the bend, and two bars wrapped with different material - but of the same diameter when rolled - the more rigid material will give an advantage over the softer more flexible wrap as i have recently found out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricMilfeld Posted May 7, 2007 Author Share Posted May 7, 2007 This will be interesting Eric!1) yes, 2) 1 1/4" * although as i said in a previous post (like many others have said as well) the rigidity of the material will play a big part in the leverage of the bend, and two bars wrapped with different material - but of the same diameter when rolled - the more rigid material will give an advantage over the softer more flexible wrap as i have recently found out. Yes, good point. This would have to be addressed, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricMilfeld Posted May 7, 2007 Author Share Posted May 7, 2007 1) yes 2) 1 1/4" I could be persuaded to go up or down 1/4" on the thickness. With a 1" wrap I would have to really work on toughening up my hands, but I suspect within a couple of months I could match my current best. With 1 1/2" wraps, once I got accustomed to the thicker feel in my hands I'm confident my current bests would improve. For me, 1 1/4" seems like a reasonable middle ground for the majority of folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimmers Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 This will be interesting Eric!1) yes, 2) 1 1/4" * although as i said in a previous post (like many others have said as well) the rigidity of the material will play a big part in the leverage of the bend, and two bars wrapped with different material - but of the same diameter when rolled - the more rigid material will give an advantage over the softer more flexible wrap as i have recently found out. Yes, good point. This would have to be addressed, as well. I've had a go at coming up with a solution for this problem, in the wraps topic Gazza started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wscorpion Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 1) No, not al long as the kind of material isn't important. There's a huge difference in material. Theoretically one could use something real solid which could give a levering advantage while still staying under the 1" thickness. Besides that, thicker bars means thinner wrapping? Mark Vogels -------------------- "Whether you think you can or you can't, you're right." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricMilfeld Posted May 7, 2007 Author Share Posted May 7, 2007 1) No, not al long as the kind of material isn't important. There's a huge difference in material. Theoretically one could use something real solid which could give a levering advantage while still staying under the 1" thickness. Besides that, thicker bars means thinner wrapping? I think a standard for rigidity of material should be set, which may include the thickness of the material itself. The above mentioned thicknesses refer to a wrapping placed on a 5/16" round bar (as I've now edited the specs of the question). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannon Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 1) Yes. 2) 1-1/2" seems fair. It may be interesting to address stripping off wraps instead of the actual thickness. Thicker wraps really help the kink, but actually become a huge hindrance, IMO, on the sweep and crush. You should have to deal with that if you go with thicker wraps. Maybe you shouldn't be allowed to strip off half of the wraps like I've seen many times. However, in any case I think you should be allowed strip completely and wrap a single wrap sideways around the whole nail like I've seen you do in your vids, Eric. It's not possible to do that until the nail is mostly bent so you'd still have to fight the nail past 90 degrees with the big, mushy wraps. I also think crush pads should be specifically disallowed if they aren't already. Are people going out and looking for rigid leather? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booyah!!! Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 1) NO The only fair way to decide padding is for the individual to have the choice. If someone thinks another is having an unfair advantage they should obviously change theirs to better suit their needs, because of the power of choice, there is no unfair advantage. I Love Bending Steel http://www.youtube.com/user/booyahbender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AP Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 1) Not at this time, no. Pastrami on Wry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 1) NOThe only fair way to decide padding is for the individual to have the choice. If someone thinks another is having an unfair advantage they should obviously change theirs to better suit their needs, because of the power of choice, there is no unfair advantage. Mike The power of chioce can then be applied equally to all the rules so far then lets all have a vote on the degree of bend for all styles lets all have a vote on all the other rules put in place by pat,david,eric etc why not lets just all start again at least we are trying to set some sort of standards for the way forward whats up with that "There he goes. One of gods own prototypes. A high powered mutant of some kind never ever considered for mass production.Too weird to live and too rare to die." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrZsasz Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Big NO. Seriously, all this fuss seems to fall under a politician's line of "It ain't broke so let's fix it"..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 1) Yes.2) 1-1/2" seems fair. It may be interesting to address stripping off wraps instead of the actual thickness. Thicker wraps really help the kink, but actually become a huge hindrance, IMO, on the sweep and crush. You should have to deal with that if you go with thicker wraps. Maybe you shouldn't be allowed to strip off half of the wraps like I've seen many times. However, in any case I think you should be allowed strip completely and wrap a single wrap sideways around the whole nail like I've seen you do in your vids, Eric. It's not possible to do that until the nail is mostly bent so you'd still have to fight the nail past 90 degrees with the big, mushy wraps. I also think crush pads should be specifically disallowed if they aren't already. Are people going out and looking for rigid leather? I use crush pads all the time as a training aid and fully agree that in a comp or cert bend they should not be used but in training anything goes as long as its not chemical Are people going out looking for rigid leather i would say there will always be people in any sport prepared to cheat they are only cheating themselves but they will cheat if the video does not show the wrapping process one could easilly use double wraps one set being more rigid leather material i think most cert bends if the person cannot get a witness or does not want to use a witness the video should then show the full wrapping process especially before the bend its easy to split the video into 2 0r 3 if its long and theres always youtube. i agree that the wraps should be a single one as well thats one of the main things Greg always said to me and i think he knows a thing or to about bending. "There he goes. One of gods own prototypes. A high powered mutant of some kind never ever considered for mass production.Too weird to live and too rare to die." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wscorpion Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 i agree that the wraps should be a single one as well thats one of the main things Greg always said to me and i think he knows a thing or to about bending. This is what i don't get. What is the advantage of using 2 pieces of wraps instead of 1? You could just use a longer wrap if it has to be 1 piece. Mark Vogels -------------------- "Whether you think you can or you can't, you're right." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 1) yes 2)1 1/4inch i think is plenty for most if your hands hurt useing this i would say they need to be toughened up more but thats my opinion I am all for only one set of wraps on a cert bar in comps the rules are set by the organiser and in training anything goes. I would also like to see cert bends without the elastic bands or tape to hold the wraps on as its supposed to be a test of grip as well again in a comp the rules are set and in training anything goes. Chalk i think in most places in the heat hands get sweaty so chalk is fine. I think rigid leather is a big no no and crush pads not allowed on cert bends for a comp the rules are set and in training again anything goes. "There he goes. One of gods own prototypes. A high powered mutant of some kind never ever considered for mass production.Too weird to live and too rare to die." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankyBoy Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 No, unless we reset the cert lists or build new (additional) ones. For contests I'd love to see that the pads (or a set of pads to choose from) are provided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimmers Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 (edited) this is set to be a good poll i think! if things were more clear to those just starting out on bending steel then it would make things a lot easier down the road. Until i got my IM pads i thought i was doing quite well with my first set of wraps (welders apron) but they were offering too much help with leverage (in my opinion). The IM pads brought me back down to Earth! More clear guidelines on this would of helped me from the start i think, as i got a false impression of my bending ability to begin with. Edited May 7, 2007 by youdimmers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Styles Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 No. Keep it simple. There is a limit to the thickness that can be used. For me, a bar that wraps up to 2" is too thick to get leverage on. The type of material used is more important anyway. You don't get a dog and do the barking yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 No, unless we reset the cert lists or build new (additional) ones.For contests I'd love to see that the pads (or a set of pads to choose from) are provided. Franky Makes a very valid piont in both cases. As a side note i dont mind if the lists are started again and i have to cert under new rules i like bending steel "There he goes. One of gods own prototypes. A high powered mutant of some kind never ever considered for mass production.Too weird to live and too rare to die." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricMilfeld Posted May 7, 2007 Author Share Posted May 7, 2007 I don't have a problem with multiple layers, provided that all of the materials are supple leather or some sort of soft fabric. After all, with crushdown pads or stripping of layers material is being removed, not added. I also think one small rubber band used to secure the wrapping and expedite the wrapping procedure is fine. Chalk, well... we sometimes sweat. I don't use rubber bands, personally, but I do often unfold my wraps a bit during the mid phase of the bend when I go to lace my fingers together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObsceneJester Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 No, unless we reset the cert lists or build new (additional) ones.For contests I'd love to see that the pads (or a set of pads to choose from) are provided. I agree with the No.. and if it does changes then I don't think there should be a new list, it should be erased and started over. Their are way to many things that past people used to get on Certed bends(elastics, chalk and thicker pads) I know for a fact a majority of people use those for there bends and should negate it. I agree that 2+ inches is excessive.. but I tried to bend a Bastard in 2+ pads today and I put a PR 2 penny kink in it (Tho I don't want that recognized as a PR) If the bends comes down to people having to get a certain type of leather (which we can agree that the rigid ones need to go) measuring the diameter of the wrap ectera ectera ectera on video for a cert bend I really want no part in the "cert" bends.. I haven't used crush pads or maybe I have but I wrap my bar up in Cordura (IM pads) then in the leathers that Mr. Beatty sent me Name: Rob H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alawadhi Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 1) NOThe only fair way to decide padding is for the individual to have the choice. If someone thinks another is having an unfair advantage they should obviously change theirs to better suit their needs, because of the power of choice, there is no unfair advantage. What Booyah said Read about me in my biography. Founder of Middle East and North Africa Grip Sports (MENA grip organization) "I made him an offer he couldn't refuse" ― Marlon Brando “We’re here to put a dent in the universe. Otherwise why else even be here?” ― Steve Jobs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderella Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 What does the amount of padding have to do with anything! I thought bending was about strength The amount of padding does not make the piece you are trying to bend easier, its just easier on your hands. So what is the problem? Because i dont see one. If a person feels that they are cheating themselves then they can change their padding My answer to the poll is NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maximus1 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Yes,single wraps,1in to 1 1/4,i am currently using 1in on all my bending! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nailzilla Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 First of all my answer is NO. Secondly I've kept my mouth shut about this wrap situation long enough, the only thing larger wraps do is protect your hands. So that means if you aren't strong enough to bend the metal in thin wraps then fat wraps won't help either. I'm not trying to bash anyone but as far as I'm concerned we need to BUTCH UP because people are starting to act like a bunch of PROM QUEENS. I just want to see guys have a good time and bend some steel. That's my fifty cents and I'm done. Thanks for hearing me out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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