Ratio Of Strapholds, Negatives, Ns & Ccs

[antonsevilla]

Hey guys, I was just wondering, given what you can CCS, what can you straphold, negative, and no-set?

(Also is there a proper name for the set that is between MMS and CCS? For me it is just right for my pinky to get in. Let me call it a MS [medium set] for now.)

My MS is a 1.5, I got that I while back so I'm closing in on the 2.

My NS is a 1.5 on a good day, only with my right, so just slightly behind my MS.

My strapholds are with 2.5# on a shoestring, using the trainer. Can't seem to straphold with anything else.

My negatives are with the 2.5 which is .5 higher than my target gripper. I'll try the 3 today.

(Also, any tips for MMS setting, without a choker?)

[superfeemiman]

What kind of negatives?

[antonsevilla]

What kind of negatives?

Errr... I don't know. The "negatives" I do are I squeeze the gripper shut with two hands then fight to hold it closed for 10 secs with one hand. Are their other kinds?

I can't even close the #3 with two hands!!! I get it to parallel, tops...

[Cannon]

I don't know anything about ratios, but bencrush taught me a "push set" that really helped me MMS heavy grippers that were difficult to "pinch set". I do it in this video, which I made for Ben hoping to show him a BBSM close a while back. Missed by a little. Quality is poor, but you'll get the idea.

[mbcx6pmw]

Perhaps a better question is what should you do negatives with. You can probably figure out some way to force a gripper closed, but if it's way too hard for you all you'll achieve is lost skin. One above the gripper you're working on is ideal, and where the tweeners come in handy. I'm working on the #2.5, so will do negatives on the #3, strap holds and overcrushes on the #1.5 and TNS closes or as many CCS reps as I can on the #2.

There is a good video showing how to MMS set that was posted a few weeks back. Basically you line one handle up on the first crease under the calloused part of your hand, push your thumb forward and down, then pinch it with your free hand while you wiggle your fingers around.

[Cannon]

. It perfectly shows the MMS with pinching it shut.

[lifesnotfair]

Your strapholds seem WAY off. You must be doing something wrong.

If you have the power to close a #1.5, how on earth are you barely straphold 2.5lbs with the TRAINER ??? No way.

Maybe you're just squeezing the Trainer with the minimum force required to close the Trainer.

Do this: if you have a #1, take it, MMS it, and try to straphold 5 pounds. Squeeze as if you were trying to overcrush your #1.5. I guarantee you'll get the weight up, I'm positive. I know a shoelace is thin, but till, the Trainer is too weak compared to the #1.5!

[Wes]

Hey guys, I was just wondering, given what you can CCS, what can you straphold, negative, and no-set?

(Also is there a proper name for the set that is between MMS and CCS? For me it is just right for my pinky to get in. Let me call it a MS [medium set] for now.)

My MS is a 1.5, I got that I while back so I'm closing in on the 2.

My NS is a 1.5 on a good day, only with my right, so just slightly behind my MS.

My strapholds are with 2.5# on a shoestring, using the trainer. Can't seem to straphold with anything else.

My negatives are with the 2.5 which is .5 higher than my target gripper. I'll try the 3 today.

(Also, any tips for MMS setting, without a choker?)

For CCS, a 3.5. Straphold, I think the best was 25lbs with a #3 at one time. For a negative, probably something between a 3.5 and 4 right now. Best no set is probably something between a 3 and 3.5. These days I'm as strong from a CCS as a paralell set For MMS setting I found that using the top 3 fingers of your gripping hand more to set made a HUGE difference for me instead of trying to "pinch" it set.

[superfeemiman]

What kind of negatives?

Errr... I don't know. The "negatives" I do are I squeeze the gripper shut with two hands then fight to hold it closed for 10 secs with one hand. Are their other kinds?

I can't even close the #3 with two hands!!! I get it to parallel, tops...

Well, all negatives are is emphasizing the eccentric part (or whatever the part it is you let it out). I just meant "how severe", or like Noob Saibot said "what should you do negatives with." I could do it with my HG300 and all but hold it closed, or I could do it with my #3 which I have to fight from opening even to parallel.

[TelegraphKey]

Past 2 months I just started using strapholds the "right" way. As John Brookfield says in MoHS, "use a gripper you can close." I take this to mean my max gripper. Which is #2. I alternate between 1/8" thick IronMind strap, and ~1 mm thick metal ruler (most often the ruler now). Best day I did 5 lbs. on #2 for 9 sec with the ruler. After some strapholds with the 2, I go down to the 1.5 & do longer, heavier strapholds. One other day per week, I begin instead with a few attempts at the BBSM, then strapholds on the 2 then 1.5 (which are weaker than the first day when I begin the session with #2 strapholds). I think best on 1.5 was 10 lbs for 10 sec (ruler). Since I've been doing strapholds "the right way," I'm getting closer to full BBSM close than ever before. Now I'm probably jinxing myself by writing this in public, but I got down to 1 mm last week on SM and that sucker is just about there for me. Strapholds "the right way" have made a tremendous difference for me.

Edited April 27, 2007 by TelegraphKey

[CoC#3]

For me,

I haven't managed to CCS or no set a #3 yet! Close though, but it's hard to make progress when i haven't got anything in between my filed #2 and my #3. To be honest though, i don't really do much grippers work with a wider than parallel set other than a few no ets with a #2 every so often.

For strapholds i have used a filed #3. I lifted 5lbs with it.

For negatives i use a Pro or a World Class. I do them like Joe Kinney did using an extended handle.

[antonsevilla]

Thanks for the push set and pinch set tips guys. I'll try the push set on tuesday.

You know you guys are right about the strapholds, mine are embarrassing. I'm gonna work on getting my straphold closer to my max gripper. Perhaps I should also overcrush everytime I can.

I noticed that the crush is really my weakest link. On a bad day, I can still get most (up to 1.5) within 1mm of closing, but fail to get the 1 and 1.5 to click. So I guess I have to really work those strapholds more often.

Thanks for the tips guys..

[TheBoneOrchard]

I have TNS my (easier) #2 with my right maybe 3 times now, it isn't something I have really practiced though. To be honest, it's not that important to me. (Plus it pinches my thumb pad funny and I don't like that)

I can TNS my #1.5 with my left.

CCS #2 Right, #1.5 left. (Finally got two good overcrushes with my #2 left handed from a MMS last week)

I am doing my strap holds with #2 right and #1.5 left and use a starting weight of 5lbs. (When I finished KTA I had got up to 10-15 sec with 10 pounds and was closing my next higher/goal gripper)

For negatives I use my IGDA and set it at about a BBSM (6, 11) for my left hand and at about a somewhere between a 3 and 4 (9, 11) for my right now.

Edited April 28, 2007 by The Bone Orchard

[antonsevilla]

I am doing my strap holds with #2 right and #1.5 left and use a starting weight of 5lbs.

Man, you're right my strapholds are really crap. The mere idea of doing strapholds with my max (1.5) scares me. Haha Thanks man I'll get around to that. What set do you guys use for strapholds, MMS?

[TheBoneOrchard]

What set do you guys use for strapholds, MMS?

I try to get a really good MMS, strap holds are very hard as it is with out worrying about a gripper slipping funny or anything.

For my strap holds I use a ~1/8" nylon strap that I made from a dog collar, I just broke all the plastic hardware off and left a metal ring sewn in one end so I can just thread the strap through a 5lb plate and back through the metal ring at the end.

Also a visualization technique I use when doing strap holds that really seems to help me:

I crush down as hard as I can and when I feel the gripper ends really lock down on the strap I imagine my hand is a vise grip when it reaches that point where it locks into place. For me it got to the point where it was almost like a zen thing (cheesy maybe) but when I felt my hand (vise grip) lock down I could just relax, ignore any pain and hold on until my grip absolutely gave out.

I couldn't always hit this mental groove but when I did I could do my strap holds at least 5 seconds longer than when I didn't.

Edited April 28, 2007 by The Bone Orchard

[TelegraphKey]

The thing I like about strapholds is that they are completely objective compared to negatives & holds. With negatives & timed holds etc. I only go until it "feels" like I can't hold it closed any longer or until I "feel" like my hand has to open up. With strapholds, I know exactly when I'm done, when my time is up, when the weight falls out of the gripper & hits the floor! There's an element of desperation & objective measurement that doesn't compare to anything else I've done with grippers (except for max closes).

[HellMagic]

TNS: CoC#1 (very easy)

Medium Set: CoC#2

MMS: CoC#2.5

Negatives: CoC#3 (can hold it about 1 cm (3/8") from closed)

I haven't done any strapholds, maybe I should

[Databamse]

TNS: CoC #2 almost done a TNS with a #2.5 as well, but I failed!

My own personal negatives is that i use both hands to squeeze #4 as far as I can and then try to hold it there with only one hand.

I do the same with #3.5.. To improve my holding strength.

REPS: CoC #2.5 for 7 reps at most, the last rep, the handles were breathing each other (almost, ALMOST closed)

Best close: CoC #3 <- I'm not sure if it was closed, so i'm gonna have to say that #2.5 is my best close so far, until I can prove that I can close my #3.