Some Prs

[gazza]

This morning i received a steel package from Tim T thankyou bro full of steel goodies i was meant to be doing something with the missus but that went out the window once i opened the package

Once i spied the goodies i started getting syked up ready then went and got down to business i put a couple of picks in my gallery of todays battle with the steel some i won some i lost tweaked my shoulder abit this was due to the toughness of the stock and not training much lately on 7inch stock never mind 8inch stuff but next time i will be prepared

[dimmers]

Nice bends Gazza! those nails look mean

[maximus1]

I said to you earlier fricken amazing bends,your moving them goal posts by the week,fantastic effort Bro!

[David Horne]

They look nasty, good stuff!

A man who has never failed has never tried.

Be careful with that shoulder. It's not fun when they go wrong.

David

[bencrush]

Wicked bends Gazza!!! Incredible that you keep pushing the bar higher and harder.

[Booyah!!!]

Incredible bends on those spikes Gazza

[Tim71]

Excellent! Is that the 3/8 drill rod in the one pic? That is incredible and from my memory that's the only thing it could be. How did it compare to the 3/8 stainless? It's so shiny that it always appears thinner in the pics because of the reflective quality.

I can't believe you got that far with the 80ds and couldn't finish them with your crush. I really figured once you got them moving they'd be all yours. You'd get the galvanized one then if you got this far with these. I picked up some today that may be even tougher by the way. Anyway, hat's off my friend getting that far with these particular 80d nails because they are nasty. I can't immagine what the kink must've been like on a 8 inch nail like that. Ben has tackled the 70d version of this nail and come out the winner and he'll tell you that company produces no slack.

Nice work on the 6 inch 5/16 G5 too. It's not one of the easier brands by the way. Do you think the 5 incher is doable?

Can't wait to see how you fair on the rest of the stuff. In all fairness a couple of the things I sent you would be a quantum leap up but never know about you.

The Gazza express rolls on!

Oh yeah tell the misses I'm sorry and my wife sends her sympathy. My wife is used to being on vacation and catching me looking through the phone book for steel suppliers and hardware stores ha ha!

Tim

[gazza]

Tim

To be honest bro i didnt expect the package to arrive before next wednesday so i was going to build up a head of steam going into it and train some 7-8inch stuff i aint tried a 7inch bend since i last did my shoulder but seeing and feeing the steel just made me want it

Got the 6inch x 5/16" black grade 5 pretty quick but its 6inch and thats probably my strongest range had a 5mins rest and paced and got really syked up then decided to go after the 7" x 3/8" Drillrod i was gonna go for the 6incher but i thought it being an unknown bar at this piont air on the side of caution,i had grinded the ends a little of the 7"and 6" drillrod as you cut em with a bolt cutter and the force it takes to get them moveing and done would definately risk a big puncture woond anyway wrapped the 7"x 3/8" drillrod in the med wraps and went for it the kink was a bitch infact the whole bar was a bitch lol very springy but i dont think its harder than the 3/8"stainless at the same length on the start and say to 50-70degrees yes then the stainless ramps up bigtime.

Got the drillrod in under 5mins but it took quite abit outa me and i tweeaked my shoulder abit on the first kink but as i said i aint done any big DO bends in 7"lengths in a while but its another piece of steel i have beaten

Should not have really tried the 80ds but i thought if i dont it will just sit there calling me so had about 7mins rest with plenty of screaming and getting really pissed then decided to go for it i had previously grinded off the piont abit dont want a bad injury the kink on these things is really really hard they are hardened steel plus the extra 1inch length i have never tried a bar this long unbraced before i could feel the shoulder protesting but i ignored it and anfter a couple of pre flexes just pushing and feeling the nail wanting to give i tore into it it was well outside of my groove abit more down the chest because of the length i got a couple of good kinks in it but i was feeling tired i think the previous drillrod had taken more outa me than i thought plus i only have so much time to bend when i am really angry as it uses huge ammounts of adrenalin.Took a rest and then got it another 20degrees but was feeling abit light headed by then so called it a day

Got home looked at the bends then thought should i finish it with a mixture of braced/unbraced hits decided not to thought just leave it by the pc and let it mock me some.

After some food and a drink and about an hours rest i went and dug out an fbbc 80d nail upon inspection and a bit of a flex it felt like the fbbc 80d would be slightly harder so only one way to find out i get abit animated shoulder it sore but F$%$%^ It wrap it up and go for it Tired Tired Tired and FRUSTRATED got this one to about 20degrees les than Tims 80d but i was feeling really destroyed by now everywere hurt and i felt physically sick but didnt toss my cookies this time

So all in all a good and bad day from my piont of view good cause i killed some steel bad cause some steel was victorious but this is only the start of the BATTLE?

Learned that i need to train on 7"and 8"stock again .

Got some nice tough stuff here of my friend TIM T which will certainly challenge me in the comeing year who knows maybe longer but i now have GOALS to chase

[EricMilfeld]

Scary lookin' bends, Gazza! Very nice work.

[Tim71]

Thanks for the detailed reply. The 80d I sent you calibrated at 590 or 595 lbs so it's a tough one. If you use Eric's 15% for every 1/2 inch rule then if you cut an inch off of this nail then it should calibrated close to 800 lbs for a 7 inch length so it's very tough steel plus you've got the head to contend with and the extra inch plus I think the point takes away some important leverage.

I firmly believe you'll get it though and that will be a monumental bend. That nail is now one of my goals, braced of course. I've bent one with pipes just to see what it looks like and I'm telling you you're going to have one heck of a trophy when you do bend it. It looks super-human and even braced not many have done that size of nail before. I'm still sore from the 80d I bent braced.

That drill rod is crazy too! Especially considering how hard the 11/32 was to everyone who tried it. I think you're the only one who got it to under 2 inches not to mention the 3/8.

And somebody can correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that the shortest 5/16 G5 that's ever been bent? It's a 6 incher BTW. Not an easy brand either, I think the 1/4 by 6 inch calibrated at 400 lbs a while back.

Great great work!

Tim

[gazza]

Excellent! Is that the 3/8 drill rod in the one pic? That is incredible and from my memory that's the only thing it could be. How did it compare to the 3/8 stainless? It's so shiny that it always appears thinner in the pics because of the reflective quality.

The Stainless is harder especially the crush.

I can't believe you got that far with the 80ds and couldn't finish them with your crush. I really figured once you got them moving they'd be all yours. You'd get the galvanized one then if you got this far with these. I picked up some today that may be even tougher by the way. Anyway, hat's off my friend getting that far with these particular 80d nails because they are nasty. I can't immagine what the kink must've been like on a 8 inch nail like that. Ben has tackled the 70d version of this nail and come out the winner and he'll tell you that company produces no slack.

Anybody else hit a big 6inch g5 then a 3/8inch drillrod then tried an 80d unbraced all within the same 30mins session like to comment

Seriously those 2 previous bends took an awfull lot outa me once the adrenalin is flowing you can only use it for so long it saps your energy bigtime plus i dont think i was at my best just not strong enough on the day but the battle aint over

Nice work on the 6 inch 5/16 G5 too. It's not one of the easier brands by the way. Do you think the 5 incher is doable?

Maybe i am a little frightened of really unloading into those strength of bolts that short as the threads often snap i had a 6inches ones threads snap on my once and it hurts really jars my shoulders i was a bit cautious on the black 6incher on a 5incher the poundage to bend it would go up quite abit and if it snapped my take the shoulder out i would like to take a few to a bloke i now who has a hydrolic press which i could put the bolts in and get bent real fast to simulate bending one as you have to really unload into that poundage and length to get it moveing if the test on a few was ok i would try one.

I did the same on a big g8 after one snapped on me these were fbbc ones that snapped as well so i left it for the time being

Its one thing doing a bend thats risky but takeing a shoulder out big time especially at my age is probably career ending plus i dont like anything in the back of my mind when i am after hard/PR stuff otherwise it puts me off if i think the bolt will/might snap i cannot unload into it the same i had a 5/16" square snap on me not to long back and it really shit me up

Can't wait to see how you fair on the rest of the stuff. In all fairness a couple of the things I sent you would be a quantum leap up but never know about you.

The Gazza express rolls on! CHOO CHOO

Oh yeah tell the misses I'm sorry and my wife sends her sympathy. My wife is used to being on vacation and catching me looking through the phone book for steel suppliers and hardware stores ha ha!

Feeling sorry for myself at the minute i am full of cold shoulder and kneck are sore think i tweaked a nerve and i am in the doghouse with the missus

Tim

[Alawadhi]

And somebody can correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that the shortest 5/16 G5 that's ever been bent?

Franky bent two 6" 1/4 CRS and said it is a BIT harder than 6" 5/16 CRS. So in my opinion (not sure though) anyone who can bend two 6" 1/4 G5 can probably bend 6" 5/16 G5. And we all know who did that, GAMIDON!

Just my theory.

Edited March 26, 2007 by Alawadhi

[bencrush]

And somebody can correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that the shortest 5/16 G5 that's ever been bent?

Franky bent two 6" 1/4 CRS and said it is a BIT harder than 6" 5/16 CRS. So in my opinion (not sure though) anyone who can bend two 6" 1/4 G5 can probably bend 6" 5/16 G5. And we all know who did that, GAMIDON!

Just my theory.

With all due respect Alawadhi, you're way off on that estimation regarding the taped 1/4" Grade 5s equalling the ability to bend a 6" Edgin. The crush on those is not even close. The 2 taped Grade 5s is a very hard bend, I'll agree with that. I've done it and I know a few who have blown through it. But the best I've done with a 6" Edgin in one go (under a minute because it froze like usual) is around 52 degrees. Over the course of a few days worth of crushdown workouts I've taken a 6' Edgin to about 3.25". That's all out efforts spaced over DAYS. A bend of that caliber is much more impressive to me than even a Grand Shiny. (Obviously Gazza's bent a Fantastic Shiny, but just using the Grand Shiny for comparison sake).

I hope Gamidon chimes in here to let us know what he thinks. Since they might be the only 2 (maybe Terminator has) to bend an Edgin that short.

[bencrush]

That drill rod is crazy too! Especially considering how hard the 11/32 was to everyone who tried it. I think you're the only one who got it to under 2 inches not to mention the 3/8.

Yes that 11/32" Drill Rod was crazy hard Tim! You must not have received that e-mail I sent you about getting one of the pieces you sent me to under 2". It was sometime in early February IIRC. I am hazy on the date because, long story short, my incredibly dumb dog Willie destroyed a bunch of my workouts that I had written on folded up pieces of paper from January to right before the Insane bend in late February. The 11/32" Drill Rod was a slow bend for me. Somewhere around 10 minutes overall. I did take it to 1.5" though with my Crush Pads. I think I had it at 2" in 8 minutes but didn't care at that point since it was too slow to be impressive at that point. Figured I'd keep hitting it until it just wouldn't move. Well that point for me arrived at 1.5". It just won't budge from there.

Also I think Acorn banged through some 11/32" Drill Rod himself...not to call him out on it, but I think he did. And I could guarantee you that it was a whole hell of a lot faster than mine. And knowing his crushdown, probably well under 2" also.

Not pointing this out to challenge Gazza's strength because that's pretty much impossible at this point. I just know that you're a very detailed record keeper and wanted to give you the updated details for future reference sake.

I'll take a picture if you want of the finished Drill Rod. Not that it proves I bent it there under my own power, but it'll give you an idea.

That being said I can't even begin to imagine the 3/8" Drill Rod!!!

[Tim71]

You know you bring up a pretty good point about the threads. I guess really that given the option a bender should get the fine threads since theoretically they shouldn't break as easy.

Sorry about that Ben. I may have not read that about the drill rod but I'm glad to hear that you got it. I need no proof your words good with me. I meant to say that I thought he was the only one who got the drill rod that I sent out to under 2 inches which I only sent it to a few people. Never heard if Eric completed the bend or not. I knew he said the crush was insane but I'm not sure if that meant he had gotten it or not. Didn't mean to count you out and I forgot that you had more than one piece of it.

Great Job Ben. It's one of my goals eventually although I've only got a couple pieces left. I gather it's alot harder than the 515 lbs would indicate. I agree with you on the former post too. I've always heard that 2 pieces of steel don't always double the difficulty.

A "JH" grade 5 bolt at 5/16 by 6 inches is one heck of a bend. Especially when it seems it was his warmup for these others.

I long to catch up some with you guys!

Tim

[acorn]

That drill rod is crazy too! Especially considering how hard the 11/32 was to everyone who tried it. I think you're the only one who got it to under 2 inches not to mention the 3/8.

Yes that 11/32" Drill Rod was crazy hard Tim! You must not have received that e-mail I sent you about getting one of the pieces you sent me to under 2". It was sometime in early February IIRC. I am hazy on the date because, long story short, my incredibly dumb dog Willie destroyed a bunch of my workouts that I had written on folded up pieces of paper from January to right before the Insane bend in late February. The 11/32" Drill Rod was a slow bend for me. Somewhere around 10 minutes overall. I did take it to 1.5" though with my Crush Pads. I think I had it at 2" in 8 minutes but didn't care at that point since it was too slow to be impressive at that point. Figured I'd keep hitting it until it just wouldn't move. Well that point for me arrived at 1.5". It just won't budge from there.

Also I think Acorn banged through some 11/32" Drill Rod himself...not to call him out on it, but I think he did. And I could guarantee you that it was a whole hell of a lot faster than mine. And knowing his crushdown, probably well under 2" also.

Not pointing this out to challenge Gazza's strength because that's pretty much impossible at this point. I just know that you're a very detailed record keeper and wanted to give you the updated details for future reference sake.

I'll take a picture if you want of the finished Drill Rod. Not that it proves I bent it there under my own power, but it'll give you an idea.

That being said I can't even begin to imagine the 3/8" Drill Rod!!!

Thanks for calling me out Ben 11/32 is .3438". I've done .348 to 1.5" in under 3 minutes and .368 to 3" between the legs. I've got some .358 here as well that I need to try one of these days. I was able to finish off the .368 with a .5" extension on the end. Wish I had some of that 9mm stainless or 9mm CRS to try though. looks fun.

- Aaron

Edited March 26, 2007 by acorn

[bencrush]

Awesome bending Aaron!!!

[Alawadhi]

And somebody can correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that the shortest 5/16 G5 that's ever been bent?

Franky bent two 6" 1/4 CRS and said it is a BIT harder than 6" 5/16 CRS. So in my opinion (not sure though) anyone who can bend two 6" 1/4 G5 can probably bend 6" 5/16 G5. And we all know who did that, GAMIDON!

Just my theory.

With all due respect Alawadhi, you're way off on that estimation regarding the taped 1/4" Grade 5s equalling the ability to bend a 6" Edgin. The crush on those is not even close. The 2 taped Grade 5s is a very hard bend, I'll agree with that. I've done it and I know a few who have blown through it. But the best I've done with a 6" Edgin in one go (under a minute because it froze like usual) is around 52 degrees. Over the course of a few days worth of crushdown workouts I've taken a 6' Edgin to about 3.25". That's all out efforts spaced over DAYS. A bend of that caliber is much more impressive to me than even a Grand Shiny. (Obviously Gazza's bent a Fantastic Shiny, but just using the Grand Shiny for comparison sake).

I hope Gamidon chimes in here to let us know what he thinks. Since they might be the only 2 (maybe Terminator has) to bend an Edgin that short.

Thanks for clearing it up. It was only a theory. Theory can be either right or wrong. but it seems this one is wrong. anyways two G5 is heck of a bend. and great job for doing that. Anyways thanks again for clearing it up.

[gazza]

And somebody can correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that the shortest 5/16 G5 that's ever been bent?

Franky bent two 6" 1/4 CRS and said it is a BIT harder than 6" 5/16 CRS. So in my opinion (not sure though) anyone who can bend two 6" 1/4 G5 can probably bend 6" 5/16 G5. And we all know who did that, GAMIDON!

Just my theory.

2 bars/bolts/nails taped together will never equal the strength of those 2 bars/bolts/nails clibrated separately and then doubled.

I think more people have done 2x6" x 1/4" g5s taped together than have done the 5/16" x 6" g5.

[gazza]

That drill rod is crazy too! Especially considering how hard the 11/32 was to everyone who tried it. I think you're the only one who got it to under 2 inches not to mention the 3/8.

Yes that 11/32" Drill Rod was crazy hard Tim! You must not have received that e-mail I sent you about getting one of the pieces you sent me to under 2". It was sometime in early February IIRC. I am hazy on the date because, long story short, my incredibly dumb dog Willie destroyed a bunch of my workouts that I had written on folded up pieces of paper from January to right before the Insane bend in late February. The 11/32" Drill Rod was a slow bend for me. Somewhere around 10 minutes overall. I did take it to 1.5" though with my Crush Pads. I think I had it at 2" in 8 minutes but didn't care at that point since it was too slow to be impressive at that point. Figured I'd keep hitting it until it just wouldn't move. Well that point for me arrived at 1.5". It just won't budge from there.

Also I think Acorn banged through some 11/32" Drill Rod himself...not to call him out on it, but I think he did. And I could guarantee you that it was a whole hell of a lot faster than mine. And knowing his crushdown, probably well under 2" also.

Not pointing this out to challenge Gazza's strength because that's pretty much impossible at this point. I just know that you're a very detailed record keeper and wanted to give you the updated details for future reference sake.

I'll take a picture if you want of the finished Drill Rod. Not that it proves I bent it there under my own power, but it'll give you an idea.

That being said I can't even begin to imagine the 3/8" Drill Rod!!!

Thanks for calling me out Ben 11/32 is .3438". I've done .348 to 1.5" in under 3 minutes and .368 to 3" between the legs. I've got some .358 here as well that I need to try one of these days. I was able to finish off the .368 with a .5" extension on the end. Wish I had some of that 9mm stainless or 9mm CRS to try though. looks fun.

- Aaron

Aaron

I am not familiar with the .358,.368 etc is that the measuring system in the US or is it used soley for drillrod.

I take it that either .358 or .368 is 3/8" is that correct.

Does anyone have a graph chart which shows Millimeters[metric] Imperial and the .358 system etc.

[acorn]

That drill rod is crazy too! Especially considering how hard the 11/32 was to everyone who tried it. I think you're the only one who got it to under 2 inches not to mention the 3/8.

Yes that 11/32" Drill Rod was crazy hard Tim! You must not have received that e-mail I sent you about getting one of the pieces you sent me to under 2". It was sometime in early February IIRC. I am hazy on the date because, long story short, my incredibly dumb dog Willie destroyed a bunch of my workouts that I had written on folded up pieces of paper from January to right before the Insane bend in late February. The 11/32" Drill Rod was a slow bend for me. Somewhere around 10 minutes overall. I did take it to 1.5" though with my Crush Pads. I think I had it at 2" in 8 minutes but didn't care at that point since it was too slow to be impressive at that point. Figured I'd keep hitting it until it just wouldn't move. Well that point for me arrived at 1.5". It just won't budge from there.

Also I think Acorn banged through some 11/32" Drill Rod himself...not to call him out on it, but I think he did. And I could guarantee you that it was a whole hell of a lot faster than mine. And knowing his crushdown, probably well under 2" also.

Not pointing this out to challenge Gazza's strength because that's pretty much impossible at this point. I just know that you're a very detailed record keeper and wanted to give you the updated details for future reference sake.

I'll take a picture if you want of the finished Drill Rod. Not that it proves I bent it there under my own power, but it'll give you an idea.

That being said I can't even begin to imagine the 3/8" Drill Rod!!!

Thanks for calling me out Ben 11/32 is .3438". I've done .348 to 1.5" in under 3 minutes and .368 to 3" between the legs. I've got some .358 here as well that I need to try one of these days. I was able to finish off the .368 with a .5" extension on the end. Wish I had some of that 9mm stainless or 9mm CRS to try though. looks fun.

- Aaron

Aaron

I am not familiar with the .358,.368 etc is that the measuring system in the US or is it used soley for drillrod.

I take it that either .358 or .368 is 3/8" is that correct.

Does anyone have a graph chart which shows Millimeters[metric] Imperial and the .358 system etc.

Gazza the .358, .368 are in inches. an easy way to convert is 25.4(mm in an inch) x .358 = 9.09mm, .368 is 9.35mm and 3/8 is .375 inches so the .368 is just a hair under 3/8 or 9.52mm. Hope that helps.

- Aaron

[gazza]

Aaron

Thanks bro its been that long since i left school the brain goes into a panic if i give it to much maths in one go

Nice work on the drillrod by the way.

Do you know if drillrod comes in 10mms diameter this might be a bit easier than 10mms stainless.

[gazza]

So i need .3937 in Drillros = 10mms

[acorn]

So i need .3937 in Drillros = 10mms

Thanks, and you got it. As far as which would be easier in that diameter. I would think the drill rod only because it doesnt ramp up as badly at the smaller diameters. But you would prolly have a better idea than me considering you've done both the 3/8 drill rod and 3/8 stainless. Either way good luck with it.

- Aaron

[neilkaz]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drill_bit_siz...drill_bit_sizes may be of interest to you gents.

.. neilkaz ..