Forced Overcrush

[Timmy]

I don't know why nobody includes these in their repitoire?

I think they're the best exercise for building tendon strength.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-rc12t4OGk

[Alawadhi]

no video

[superfeemiman]

Is it just like a negative hold where you use the other hand to do some of the work?

[Timmy]

Is it just like a negative hold where you use the other hand to do some of the work?

My other hand isn't assisting at all, it is there holding the spring.

It's not a negative, because I'm using my leg to force it shut.

[superfeemiman]

Is it just like a negative hold where you use the other hand to do some of the work?

My other hand isn't assisting at all, it is there holding the spring.

It's not a negative, because I'm using my leg to force it shut.

Sorry, I didn't watch the video. Now I get it, thanks for the tip.

[Timmy]

Why can't you watch the vid?

[superfeemiman]

Why can't you watch the vid?

I can watch it, I just didn't when I originally posted.

[Teemu I]

Hmm..what are you talking about? Many guys do forced reps on grippers, myself included. I don't think there's a difference whether you use your other hand or leg or whatever to cheat the gripper closed.

I bet you are destroying your SE using that clamp on the spring. As you did to your #4. Why don't you just use a harder gripper?

[Timmy]

Hmm..what are you talking about? Many guys do forced reps on grippers, myself included. I don't think there's a difference whether you use your other hand or leg or whatever to cheat the gripper closed.

I bet you are destroying your SE using that clamp on the spring. As you did to your #4. Why don't you just use a harder gripper?

I will ask Dave if he can order a WC for me.

That should work!

That clamp is there to make the close unusually hard at the close.

You should try putting a hose clamp on your grippers.

Edited November 10, 2006 by Timmy

[Teemu I]

Hmm..what are you talking about? Many guys do forced reps on grippers, myself included. I don't think there's a difference whether you use your other hand or leg or whatever to cheat the gripper closed.

I bet you are destroying your SE using that clamp on the spring. As you did to your #4. Why don't you just use a harder gripper?

I will ask Dave if he can order a WC for me.

That should work!

That clamp is there to make the close unusually hard at the close.

You should try putting a hose clamp on your grippers.

I know what it does. I don't want to reduce the spread on my grippers.

[Bearcat 74]

From my experience unless you can hold the gripper closed or within 1/8" you don't need more gripper. Having one that explodes your hand back out to parallel doesn't do me any good, I have just bypassed the range that I need worked at warp speed. I have a WC and I use it from time to time but it does not help my close because it shoots out to at least 1" the instant I pull my off hand away.

[viper]

looked like you did a two handed close against your leg - how is this overcrush?

if you have to use two hands and a leg to close a gripper, why dont you just use an easier one?

[bunchofbananas]

looked like you did a two handed close against your leg - how is this overcrush?

if you have to use two hands and a leg to close a gripper, why dont you just use an easier one?

Ego.

Timmy: what makes you think this is good for tendon strength? What scientific concepts or observations is that based on? Have you measured an increase in the cross-sectional area of your tendons?

[Cannon]

I don't know why nobody includes these in their repitoire?

I think they're the best exercise for building tendon strength.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-rc12t4OGk

It looks like a different take on an extended handle forced close. Basically using your body weight to cheat the gripper shut? Actually, I think your video points to Joe Kinney's argument for using the extended handle--no more mashed fingers, legs, and holes in your jeans.

[Teemu I]

I don't know why nobody includes these in their repitoire?

I think they're the best exercise for building tendon strength.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-rc12t4OGk

It looks like a different take on an extended handle forced close. Basically using your body weight to cheat the gripper shut? Actually, I think your video points to Joe Kinney's argument for using the extended handle--no more mashed fingers, legs, and holes in your jeans.

Good point Matt. Extended handle is a great tool.

[Timmy]

looked like you did a two handed close against your leg - how is this overcrush?

if you have to use two hands and a leg to close a gripper, why dont you just use an easier one?

Actually, where my second hand was would not of offered any assistance to the close.

I used my hand to stop the gripper from slipping out.

[Timmy]

looked like you did a two handed close against your leg - how is this overcrush?

if you have to use two hands and a leg to close a gripper, why dont you just use an easier one?

Ego.

Timmy: what makes you think this is good for tendon strength? What scientific concepts or observations is that based on? Have you measured an increase in the cross-sectional area of your tendons?

....because it trains your hands to withstand a greater ammount of pressure.

[StalwartSentinel]

looked like you did a two handed close against your leg - how is this overcrush?

if you have to use two hands and a leg to close a gripper, why dont you just use an easier one?

Ego.

Timmy: what makes you think this is good for tendon strength? What scientific concepts or observations is that based on? Have you measured an increase in the cross-sectional area of your tendons?

....because it trains your hands to withstand a greater ammount of pressure.

That's exactly why I do negatives with the BBP, HG500, RB365 and ISG set at 400+ pounds. No ego involved. It hurts and it is a very humbling and frustrating experience. To close big grippers, you must prepare the mind and body for the torment. I know of no better way to do so.

[Mikael Siversson]

Hmm, that does not work for me. I can close BBE's and these days I never train with anything harder than a #3. I have stopped believing in singles and negatives etc. I think Martin (European grip champ and record holder in grippers) train in a similar way (repping with easier grippers).

[Timmy]

Hmm, that does not work for me. I can close BBE's and these days I never train with anything harder than a #3. I have stopped believing in singles and negatives etc. I think Martin (European grip champ and record holder in grippers) train in a similar way (repping with easier grippers).

Well....... Until you can mash a #4 the same way Kinney( Specialist in Negs) did, or close the MM6 gripper, then I'll do something else.

By doing forced closes, I went from only mashing the #3 on a good day, to repping it on command in a few weeks.

As I said, Forced Overcrushes are the best exercises for building tendon strength.

[Timmy]

" Hmm, that does not work for me. I can close BBE's and these days I never train with anything harder than a #3"

Give it a try, get the toughest gripper you can force close and work it for about 5 sets( Make sure you warmup). I will guarantee you'll gain strength.

[superfeemiman]

" Hmm, that does not work for me. I can close BBE's and these days I never train with anything harder than a #3"

Give it a try, get the toughest gripper you can force close and work it for about 5 sets( Make sure you warmup). I will guarantee you'll gain strength.

I'll try.

[bunchofbananas]

looked like you did a two handed close against your leg - how is this overcrush?

if you have to use two hands and a leg to close a gripper, why dont you just use an easier one?

Ego.

Timmy: what makes you think this is good for tendon strength? What scientific concepts or observations is that based on? Have you measured an increase in the cross-sectional area of your tendons?

....because it trains your hands to withstand a greater ammount of pressure.

That's exactly why I do negatives with the BBP, HG500, RB365 and ISG set at 400+ pounds. No ego involved. It hurts and it is a very humbling and frustrating experience. To close big grippers, you must prepare the mind and body for the torment. I know of no better way to do so.

-The tendons get stronger by putting them under tension.

-They can't be put under more tension than the force at which the muscles connected to them can contract. -Mashing your hand into a hard gripper with your leg and other hand you can't close does nothing but toughen the tissue of your hand against the pressure of the gripper.

To conclude: the best way of increasing tendon strength is maximal contractions. A max is a max no matter what gripper you shove into your hand. Doing a neg on a WC is no more effective than doing one on a #4 (granted you can't close either) as you'll only ever be able to crush with the same force on either one.

This idea of strengthening your tendons by closing a gripper, that you can't close with one hand, by any means is absolute bs. The force of that gripper isn't magically focused onto your target hands tendons. It is equally distributed over both hands and the soft tisuue of your leg.

If you think it helps you psychologically to force close a gripper way above one you can nearly close then go ahead.

[antarath]

Hmm, that does not work for me. I can close BBE's and these days I never train with anything harder than a #3. I have stopped believing in singles and negatives etc. I think Martin (European grip champ and record holder in grippers) train in a similar way (repping with easier grippers).

Dave Morton says he trains with Trainer. And that was AFTER he certified for #4 and MM6.

[StalwartSentinel]

looked like you did a two handed close against your leg - how is this overcrush?

if you have to use two hands and a leg to close a gripper, why dont you just use an easier one?

Ego.

Timmy: what makes you think this is good for tendon strength? What scientific concepts or observations is that based on? Have you measured an increase in the cross-sectional area of your tendons?

....because it trains your hands to withstand a greater ammount of pressure.

That's exactly why I do negatives with the BBP, HG500, RB365 and ISG set at 400+ pounds. No ego involved. It hurts and it is a very humbling and frustrating experience. To close big grippers, you must prepare the mind and body for the torment. I know of no better way to do so.

-The tendons get stronger by putting them under tension.

-They can't be put under more tension than the force at which the muscles connected to them can contract. -Mashing your hand into a hard gripper with your leg and other hand you can't close does nothing but toughen the tissue of your hand against the pressure of the gripper.

To conclude: the best way of increasing tendon strength is maximal contractions. A max is a max no matter what gripper you shove into your hand. Doing a neg on a WC is no more effective than doing one on a #4 (granted you can't close either) as you'll only ever be able to crush with the same force on either one.

This idea of strengthening your tendons by closing a gripper, that you can't close with one hand, by any means is absolute bs. The force of that gripper isn't magically focused onto your target hands tendons. It is equally distributed over both hands and the soft tisuue of your leg.

If you think it helps you psychologically to force close a gripper way above one you can nearly close then go ahead.

Once again, where's your training log... the place where you are getting all of these pearls of wisdom from? From how you talk, you must be repping the #4!?