DeathGrip Bill Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Just wandering what you top grip guys consider being world class on closing grippers. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handgripperman Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Super Elite with like a 2 7/8 spread. MM5 and up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 The Kinney #4 close - even though I haven't seen it. A mash of a BB Pro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 The MM3 seems to separate the men from the boys...Of course closing it on video where you have to worry about showing your set long enough and getting your hand out of the way and blah, blah, blah, makes it considerably harder too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 IMHO closing an average elite w/ a paralell set is the beginning of world class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 IMHO closing an average elite w/ a paralell set is the beginning of world class. I don't think so, because such a feat is already in my grasp. I suppose certing on a #4 under these new conditions would place you on top of the gripper table - for sure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 I am really starting to think that closing a #3 is on the verge of elite statis. Out of the many thousands that attended the carnival, only 2 people closed the #3. What happened to that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 I am really starting to think that closing a #3 is on the verge of elite statis. Out of the many thousands that attended the carnival, only 2 people closed the #3. What happened to that? Yes, but once you master the set, the rest will take care of itself. I don't call closing an Elite on the verge of elite statis, because I don't ncessarily regard myself as an Elite athlete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisx9118 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 A world class feat does not have to mean that only 1 person can do it. I personally believe that a world class feat is just a point where most men will never reach, persistant or not. I would regard that to about a BBSE level or pinching 2 45's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 A world class feat does not have to mean that only 1 person can do it. I personally believe that a world class feat is just a point where most men will never reach, persistant or not. I would regard that to about a BBSE level or pinching 2 45's. That would depend on the 45-plates you're using, and the condition of your SE - if it's considered an easy SE or not! Unlike pinching or wrist curling, you can't really put grippers in a category of WC accomplishments, because it's not everyday you'll walk into a gym and see people fiddling around with grippers. However, I would refer to someone in the likes of Morton and Heslep as the top of the chart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teemu I Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 IMHO closing an average elite w/ a paralell set is the beginning of world class. I agree on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teemu I Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 A world class feat does not have to mean that only 1 person can do it. I personally believe that a world class feat is just a point where most men will never reach, persistant or not. Also true. World class would be something that could be calculated, statistics would show that you don't have to be #4 closer or even SE closer to be considered "world class" on grippers. World class in most sports is simply the level that qualifies you to compete in world championships. Saying that you have to be able to close #4 like Kinney would be similar to saying that only Karelin was a world class wrestler when he was best, or that Sergei Bubka was the only world class pole vault athlete when he dominated. Michael Jordan? World class, others amateurs. Wayne Gretzky...I could go on and on but I think that's enough for a definition of world class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handgripperman Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 I don't think the Elite is world class at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teemu I Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 It also depends how you set it. Different set=different sport. But I won't go any further with that one as this has all the ingredients for setting vs. no-setting debate, which will not end in nice conversation. Sad but likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunchofbananas Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 (edited) Has anyone got any kind of guidlines at how many people can perform a feat to make it world class, for instance less than 50 people could pinch 2 45's, (about 25 registered on the feats list on the gripboard and i'm probably being generous saying that another 20 or so could lift them that aren't on this board.) Jesse marunde said that the number three was no longer WC as the number had increased since he certified, i think the idea of the number of people being able to do it defining if it is world class is a good one. I think a TNS of a number 3 is pretty world class as i think less than 100 people could do that.. (may be wrong though.) Edited August 10, 2006 by bunchofbananas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Has anyone got any kind of guidlines at how many people can perform a feat to make it world class, for instance less than 50 people could pinch 2 45's,(about 25 registered on the feats list on the gripboard and i'm probably being generous saying that another 20 or so could lift them that aren't on this board.) Jesse marunde said that the number three was no longer WC as the number had increased since he certified, i think the idea of the number of people being able to do it defining if it is world class is a good one. I think a TNS of a number 3 is pretty world class as i think less than 100 people could do that.. (may be wrong though.) Yeah, but Marunde certified on a single-stamped #3. After so many years it's still as tough as a fresh GR8 model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomY Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Anybody, if they trained for it, can close a #3. Its possible and within reach. Anything above an Elite i would consider world class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdoire Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 I would say that it begins with closing grippers above an Elite..not necessarily the Elite itself, although you would be sitting on the edge of world class. That should equal the MM2 plus level...as Jad said there are not many that can close the MM3 or above on video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
menace3000 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 First off world class I believe is being in the top 1% in one's respective sport. Problem with gripping is that the number of people is so extremely small relative to most other sports. I would think an average BBE would be right around the top 1% of ALL people who grip. "Anybody, if they trained for it, can close a #3. Its possible and within reach. Anything above an Elite i would consider world class." I dont think that's a fair statement to make. It's like like saying if I shot basketball enough times I'd be a professional basketball player. Perhaps it's a bad analogy and gripping is not quite as time consuming...but it still takes years of drive and dedication for most people to achieve this strength level. Perhaps not even then. Just because there are 200 people certifying with #3 doesnt mean they are not world class...granted total number of people worldwide gripping is somewhat small but nevertheless... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobsterone Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 I am really starting to think that closing a #3 is on the verge of elite statis. Out of the many thousands that attended the carnival, only 2 people closed the #3. What happened to that? It's the gripper that's called Elite not necessarily the athletes using it. However, as feats of strength go an Elite or Super Elite close without too much setting is a good 'lift'. Yes, but once you master the set, the rest will take care of itself. I don't call closing an Elite on the verge of elite statis, because I don't ncessarily regard myself as an Elite athlete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobsterone Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 First off world class I believe is being in the top 1% in one's respective sport. Problem with gripping is that the number of people is so extremely small relative to most other sports. I would think an average BBE would be right around the top 1% of ALL people who grip. "Anybody, if they trained for it, can close a #3. Its possible and within reach. Anything above an Elite i would consider world class." I dont think that's a fair statement to make. It's like like saying if I shot basketball enough times I'd be a professional basketball player. Perhaps it's a bad analogy and gripping is not quite as time consuming...but it still takes years of drive and dedication for most people to achieve this strength level. Perhaps not even then. Just because there are 200 people certifying with #3 doesnt mean they are not world class...granted total number of people worldwide gripping is somewhat small but nevertheless... The analogy is close. Basketball is more than doing just one part of the game, say world class dribbling of the ball. No, you need to be a great all-rounder or at least more than ok on most parts of the game with one or two oustanding attributes (say taking penalties). If someone might be termed a grip athlete ONLY shut a CoC 3 or better then they have done what might be called a feat of strength. To have a world class grip you need to do more than grippers. But aCoC 3 or better is a hard feat of strength (esp without silly setting) as is obvious from all of the events where such a gripper has been tried by hundreds of passing sports fans (GNC grip gauntlet at the Arnold for example). That's not to say that a large proportion of those same passing fans couldn't train to do one single close just as they all might, if just once, bench 315lbs. I have shut a bunch of handed to me CoC 3's and even a MM1 or MM2 replica (post Champion of Champions event by Frankyboy) and many times those handing it over have been very strong strength athletes who can out bench, out squat me any day of the week. So I have strong hands but am by no means a world class strength athlete. Could they, if I trained them to focus on grip, do as well as me or even better - almost certianly (thankfully they don't ha ha). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdoire Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 But the thread is about what is World Class on grippers, not what is a world class grip athlete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Yeah, but Marunde certified on a single-stamped #3. After so many years it's still as tough as a fresh GR8 model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bencrush Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 I agree with Jad and think that the MM3 and above would be what I consider world class on grippers. And the Mash Monster grippers have the added benefit of being about as standardized as we can get with a gripper. So there is no closing a 2.25" spread Super Elite and claiming world class status. But I do think that closing any Super Elite with a spread of 2.75" or above would definitely qualify as world class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVillani1985 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 I would say closing the Grand Elite with a 2.75" spread or anything above that would be world class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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