menace3000 Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 (edited) But I cant put a kink even in the yellow nail......or perhaps a very slight kink giving it my all while bracing elbows against legs and and body....just wondering what you would recommend to help me? I generally have very weak wrists.....evne though i am pretty strong otherwise(raw..bench 420, squat 430, deadlift 700....can 3 rep BBGM, and hold on to 725 lb rack lockouts...gym lifts)...in armwrestling i lose to much weaker people with stronger wrists.....even in bench my wrists are cocked back as I am benching...it doesnt hurt but it shows my weakness....I know some suggested levering with sledge hammers but I still dont really have a good understanding what that involves.... all help is very appreciated........ Edited July 24, 2006 by menace3000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crotchulla Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 Well first of all, invest in a wrist roller. It makes your elbow down very stable. They are easy to make, but you can also buy one from several sites. With the levering hold the sledge (straight up) out to the side or in front of your body and slowly bring it to your forehead and then straighten your wrist to make it go back to being up and down. Those two things alone will make your wrists stronger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
menace3000 Posted July 24, 2006 Author Share Posted July 24, 2006 Thank you for the suggestion. I own a wrist roller but am very weak in it....tried rolling just 1 45 for a couple sets.... also whats the typical length of the cord that you pulling? what's the usual distance u are pulling the weight with the wrist roller....i hear all these people talking about 300+.....so it got me wondering.... I am not sure where to get sledge hammer and I was also thinking of looking around for an adjustable kind? dont know where tho.... Any other suggestions.., thank you kindly for looking and helping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetAGrip87 Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 You can get a sledge from Lowe's or Home Depot. Buy a an 8 pounder. When you get it DO NOT try to lever it all the way from the bottom. Chock up on it and go as low as you can as long as you can control the weight. Hold onto the sledge and move it any way you want. This will make your wrists strong all over. Do some sledge work and keep bending nails and your wrist strengthen in no time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diesel Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 here is my observation. 1) you sound like a bruiser of a guy, and weak wrists or not, i believe that you should be able to at least put a decent kink in that yellow. first off, i would check your form. read some of the articles posted to see how your form matches up with what is written (DO or DU). second, watch videos, lots and lots of videos. seeing how others bend will cause you to focus in on all the intricacies of a bend; sometimes a small positioning change of the elbow or hand can make all the difference. 2) if everything is all good and you truly believe your form is exceptional, then get bending. bend the whites high volume. then bend the greens high volume. while your wrists may be weak, the only way to be a stronger bender is to bend more bars (you will quickly notice that your wrists will become stronger to meet the new stress of either volume or a harder bar). imo, the specific wrist work can wait. just because your wrists are stronger doesn't mean your bending is going to skyrocket hopefully this helps you out. good luck bro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Styles Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 IMO your issue has to be bending form or wraps. The yellow nail should not stop someone of your strength for long at all. Have a look at this article on the Diesel Crew website: http://www.dieselcrew.com/articles/gregdavebend2.pdf Try to get some video of your form to post here for critique, or meet up with someone in your area to get some tips. To give you an idea why I think it is form - The only powerlift I've ever done over 200lbs was a 225lb deadlift, once. The best gripper I've done is a #2. The best pinch I've done is 2 25s. Even though I've not bent in months, I could go bend a yellow double overhand right now with no issues. As a result of good double overhand form, I can apply all of the strength from my back, chest, and shoulders into the nail. You are capable of much more than a yellow with a little practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 Menace3000 You have done the best thing you ever could have you have not given up and you are asking questions. Take Diesels advise he is one of the top benders and in my opinion has the best kink of any bender i have watched so far. Lastly have faith in yourself and never give up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vice Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 It could be a technique problem. I can destroy greens all day long and I can barely kink a yellow right now, so I'm almost postive that we both have a technique issue. It seems for some people it's tough to adjust to a 7" piece of steel after bending 5 and 6 inchers all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
menace3000 Posted July 25, 2006 Author Share Posted July 25, 2006 Thank you so much for your advice. I believe its a problem in technique. The greens i have done I have done braced against lap or chest...doing DO. I have read whole 16 page dave morton article and will try to practice keep hands under chin with elbows higher and so forth. I have also stated in a different forum that I have weak chest crush when it comes to grippers...could be technique also so far grip wise best feats have been vbar 5 plates, bbgm for 3 right hand, pinched deadlift 2 35s with both hands, 1 hand at a time and 4-10s each hand, hub deadlifted 35 each hand separately...seems like so of these feats have come easier than others....looks like i will close #3 right hand soon but other lifts are just brutally hard for me.....dont knwo what it is.... A deisel crew member was kind enough to PM me with offer to video tape my bend and send him for a critique. I will try to do so. However I am having hard time with it as video camera takes big files, close to 100mg for 60-90 sec files in format where everything is not too blurry....dont knwo if the size will be a problem ...i'll try youtube maybe. Once again thank you for all the advice... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 Menace3000 the best way to get better at bending is to bend tougher steel... I dont bench press i probably could not bench 100k if i was to try i dont do alot of heavy sledge work,just light sledge work to pump a bit of blood into the hands and forearms i just bend... Since my friend Maxwell came back from the US with the Fbbc benders bags are bending has skyrocketed because we have been hitting harder stock,if you aint got hard stock(for you)go and find some better still buy yourself a biginners benders bag then you can compare yourself to others on this board. If you cannot bench press,i cannot as my shoulders dont like it,deadlift and do shrugs and when you bend use these muscles more than your chest and keep hitting harder fbbc stock and keep bending..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankyBoy Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 I highly doubt that your wrists are too weak, unless you try to bend nails DO at waist level, hands together. I haven't that strong wrists either but I can pretty easily bend to Yellows taped together. What style exactly are you using? If you can, make a video and publish it here, you will get a tons of good advice then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Styles Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 Deisel Crew knows their stuff. Figure out how to get that video up. If you are running windows, there is a program called windows movie maker that you can use to compress most video files. It should be under: Start->Program Files->Accessories->Windows Movie Maker Usually, you can just drag the video file into the program and let it work its magic. If your camera take movies in Quicktime format (.mov), you will need to convert them to an AVI first. You can do this using the free program Bink Video, found here: http://www.radgametools.com/#Bink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diesel Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 just so there is no misunderstanding, i am not a diesel crew member. diesel is just a nickname that friends/gripsters know me by. and yes, windows movie maker is a great program to put your video in---once you get it into the program and choose to save it as a movie, you can select what file size you want the ending movie to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vice Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 I think I may have to post a vid so you guys can critique my form as well. I have the same problem as menace does. Today I took down a piece of 3/16" FBBC round cut down to 4.75" but I can barely put a wobble in a yellow. This doesn't make any sense, especially since FBBC stock is a little tougher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisx9118 Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 I have the same problem with my DO bending, i can take down 4" greens and 4.5" 1/4" grade 2 bolts but cannot kink a yellow nail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
menace3000 Posted July 26, 2006 Author Share Posted July 26, 2006 Thank you for all the advice... yes I tend to bend at waist level....I will try under the chin.... I will try to upload a video of a bend... deisel sorry for the misunderstanding... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
menace3000 Posted July 26, 2006 Author Share Posted July 26, 2006 Just tried green bend...under the chin and got it considerably easier than before at waste where I even braced elbows against the sides...so the technique will have to be improved....yellow is insane...couldnt even kink it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yersinia Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 (edited) i bent my first yellow 3 days after getting my nails .. and i couldnt bend a green at first. but after some white bends i managed a green. and 3 days after starting with bending i did 7 yellow . 4 in 5 mins. kinked a blue aswell. :p 190 cm's and 73 kilo . hooh Edited July 27, 2006 by Yersinia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
menace3000 Posted July 31, 2006 Author Share Posted July 31, 2006 (edited) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc_BiOmC_x4 This is a video of me bending 2nd green in span of about 2 minutes...first one was like butter(i rested a bit trying to review 1st attempt on the video but it came out badly)...in all I did 4 in under 5 minutes. I also tried Yellow after this 2nd green and got very tiny kink(at least I think).... Seems like I go narrower than I should when bending a nail. It seems awkward when I let my hands go out more toward the ends... I also seem to be most comfortable bending near my chest not under the chin...is this alright form wise? this bend was somewhat mediocre...my index finger was off the bar on the right hand during the attempt.....I think I got a bad grip on the nail.... what are the key mistakes that I am doing with my form? elbows higher? Thanks for the help guys. Edited July 31, 2006 by menace3000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Reagan Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Looks almost like a slim-style (or similar) bend. Lots of wrist strength required--one the hardest styles to bend with. Usually in DO, the hands are pretty much against your body, elbows straight out to the sides, and bar held close to the chin. Also, hands are usually towards the ends of the bar. You can put all the upper body strength to good use. Someone else can probably explain normal DO better, as I'm not very good at it. It would be extremely impressive to bend big steel with the style you're bending with, IMO. Justin Reagan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Styles Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Man, you are brute forcing that bend. Doing a green like that is pretty good. A couple of points: 1. Try wrapping the nail with two cloths, so that the middle of the nail is exposed. Otherwise, you are fighting the cloth. 2. Wrap the cloths as tight as possible on the nail, maybe even put a little chalk in there to help it grip the nail. Then when bending, crush the nail as tightly as possible. 3. It looks like you are applying most of the force on that bend from your wrists, through your fingers. You are giving up a ton of leverage doing it that way. 4. Most of the force should be applied to the nail from the meat of your hand. This means bringing the nail up high under your chin close to your body, so that when you push down and out into it, the force goes through your palm and thumb pad. A good sturdy bending cloth is a must to be sure the nail doesn't puncture your cloth and hand. If you do it right, most of the force will be applied to the nail independent of your wrist strength. 5. It also helps to get the hands further out on the nail, again, to improve your leverage. Check out this video of good DO form: http://www.gripboard.com/index.php?act=mod...si&img=4720 Notice how he pulls his back and chest into the movement by pushing down and out towards a spot a foot or two in front of his navel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
menace3000 Posted August 1, 2006 Author Share Posted August 1, 2006 What can I do if I have trouble getting my hands high under the chin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Reagan Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 It might be something to do with flexibility, but I'm not sure. I've never had a problem getting it into place--just bending it. Justin Reagan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Styles Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 If you can't get your arms into position, there's really not much way to tell over the internet what the problem is. It could be flexibility or a hard mobility restriction. Can you at least get them closer to your body? Are you capable of a movement like an upright row to your chin? The other option is to bend double underhand. The leverage isn't quite is good, but it's still much, much better than what you are currently doing. Have you tried bending like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
menace3000 Posted August 1, 2006 Author Share Posted August 1, 2006 I am sorry what I meant to say is I can get my hands up high like that but I have no power....seems like I feel stronger if I lower the bar to around chest level... DU doesnt feel right either...I tried a white and it was considerably harder than with DO style... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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