Starkmann Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 There is a whole lot of levering talk going on, whihc is good. It seems our terms are getting mixed very badly. I request we make use of a generous offering from gripfag.com (Scott Styles runs this site) and use his names for the levering movements. So: The first two are done from the floor with the one face of the hammer and the end of the handle resting on the floor. The locked out position is with the body vertical and straight and with the handle of the hammer horizontal. Front Lever - the head of the hammer is in front of you Rear Lever - the head of the hammer is to your rear The next two are done from a position with the hammer already in hand and the handle perpendicular to the floor. Side Lever - typically the arm is bent at the elbow to 90 degrees, the motion of the exercise is 180+ degrees, you rotate the wrist so that the handle of the hammer become parallel to the floor then rotate the hammer the other direction, past vertical, until the handle is parallel again and the head is to the opposite side. Once you return to vertical again, that is one rep. Overhead Lever - This is the most popular type of lever. The arm is straight to the side or in front, the elbow is unbent and the handle of the hammeris vertical. The head is lowered to the nose and returned to vertical. oversights: Reverse lever (I just made the nameup, we can change it) This is when you begin like you would for an overhead lever but rather than take it to the nose, you take it away from the body until your arm is straight and the hammer is parallel to the arm and away from the body Bottoms Up lever- the penultimate levering feat. the top of the hammer rest on the ground. The person grab the handle and using one hand, keeping the shoulder and elbow still brings the hammer to vertical then to the nose, back through vertical and returns it to the ground. There is footage somwhere of one the the diesel men doing this. Slim lever - the ultimate hammer feat. The hammer (s) (often two) is in the start position for a rear lever. The hammer is rear levered then the hammer are rotated to the front lever position using no help from the other hand. A hammer curl is done to the overhead lever start position. The hammer is levered to the nose and returned to vertical. Lowered to a front lever and returned to the floor. Please understand, I am not making a rule here. I'm happy to discuss this further. I just want to get us all on the same page since there is a whole lot of confusion. Quote My Training Blog "Frog blast the vent core!" - Bob "My body has a mind of its own, so what does it need me for" - Daniel Dennette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunchofbananas Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 sounds good to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shieldbreaker Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 This helps alot. I was having trouble finding much on the specifics of levering. Anybody got any vids of the bottoms up lever? Having trouble wraping my mind around that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teemu I Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 I'd like to see a video of that Slim lever, I'm having trouble understanding how it is done. The rotation part is where I got lost. Quote Teemu Ilvesniemi, Finland My Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkmann Posted July 21, 2006 Author Share Posted July 21, 2006 I'd like to see a video of that Slim lever, I'm having trouble understanding how it is done. The rotation part is where I got lost. I've been trying to find video of the bottom up I saw. It's fairly straight forward once you see it. The slim lever comes from a vid I saw of slims act from a year or so ago and and something I saw Dan Cenidoza do. Fortunatly he was kind enough to record it and post it on his website. It's toward the end of the video. Quote My Training Blog "Frog blast the vent core!" - Bob "My body has a mind of its own, so what does it need me for" - Daniel Dennette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teemu I Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 I'd like to see a video of that Slim lever, I'm having trouble understanding how it is done. The rotation part is where I got lost. I've been trying to find video of the bottom up I saw. It's fairly straight forward once you see it. The slim lever comes from a vid I saw of slims act from a year or so ago and and something I saw Dan Cenidoza do. Fortunatly he was kind enough to record it and post it on his website. It's toward the end of the video. Thanks a lot! Quote Teemu Ilvesniemi, Finland My Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TelegraphKey Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 Here's how I write down levering in my workout logs: Thumbside ABduction - Hold lever out in front, perpendicular to ground, lower hammer to head, lever back to upright. Contraction is ABduction (pulling weight away from center of body). Thumbside ADduction - Hold lever out flat in front, parallel to ground; raise hammer up to perpendicular position. Contraction is ADduction (pulling weight toward center of body). Thumbside Pronation - Hold lever parallel to ground, hammer-head & thumb out to left if in left hand, hammer-head & thumb out to right if in right hand; raise hammer up to perpendicular. Contraction is Pronation of hand (pulling weight towards direction of hand being pronated, palm facing down -- even though "pronated" means palm would be facing ground, the point is, the hand is moving towards palm facing down, even if it only gets halfway there). Thumbside Supination - Hold lever parallel to ground, hammer-head & thumb pointed right if in left hand, hammer-head & thumb pointed left if in right hand; raise hammer up to perpendicular. Contraction is Supination of hand (pulling weight towards direction of hand being supinated, palm facing up). If you do rear weaver-type levers, then you could call them "pinky-side abduction/adduction/pronation/supination" etc. Thumbside Abduction is the popular one, the one most people are strongest at. Thumbside Adduction would be the first part of the 2-part Slim-the-Hammer Man-style lever feat (I think). In descending order, I am strongest at thumbside Abduction, then thumbside Pronation, then thumbside Adduction, then thumbside Supination (supination is way harder than the other 3). I haven't really practiced much other levering besides these 4 motions. Quote Jim Starr 2008 no injury Rep 2.5 bend Blue Formulator Ext 10x20/Flex 10x60 strict OH Lever 12 lb Lever wrist curl 10 lb 1H Plate Wrist Curl-metal:(R 5*33/L 3*33)-plastic:(R 1*35) Hex Block >40 Blob50? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TelegraphKey Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 I'd like to see a video of that Slim lever, I'm having trouble understanding how it is done. The rotation part is where I got lost. I've been trying to find video of the bottom up I saw. It's fairly straight forward once you see it. The slim lever comes from a vid I saw of slims act from a year or so ago and and something I saw Dan Cenidoza do. Fortunatly he was kind enough to record it and post it on his website. It's toward the end of the video. 2 questions: (1) How heavy are those sledges Dan C. levers in that video? Got to be honest, they look like about 10 pounders to me. (2) Is that really how Slim does the lever feat in the Madison Square Garden video footage? I plan to order that DVD in a couple weeks, but I still haven't seen it yet. I thought he picked them up from the ground, facing out in front, then statically lifted them up to perpendicular ("thumbside adduction") (which would be much harder than thumbside abduction, e.g. lowering to face then back upright). Quote Jim Starr 2008 no injury Rep 2.5 bend Blue Formulator Ext 10x20/Flex 10x60 strict OH Lever 12 lb Lever wrist curl 10 lb 1H Plate Wrist Curl-metal:(R 5*33/L 3*33)-plastic:(R 1*35) Hex Block >40 Blob50? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Lipinski Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 In the style used in Dan's video, I think Slim does 17 per hand in his shows. Quote US Handstrength Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkmann Posted July 24, 2006 Author Share Posted July 24, 2006 those were ten lb sledges in the video. I think there is footage somewhere of luke with a 16lber. I don't know what slim did in his shows. I think it would help if someone would fill us all in on that stuff, cause there is a whole lot of people asking those questions. Personally, I'm not chasing Slims records. Those are his to keep. So I'm not terribly worried about what slim did. The only reason I called theone the slim lever is I have seen recent footage that shows him doing a similar lever. In fact, in the original audio of that clip there is a brief discussion of how he did it. As for Jim's naming conventions. My physiology is rusty I'll need to dig out a text book. I don't have a problem with a different naming convention, I just would like to know what lift people are doing when they ask if a 10lb front lever is good, sometimes it's to the nose, sometime it's deadlift and a lot of the time it's some lever I have never seen. Quote My Training Blog "Frog blast the vent core!" - Bob "My body has a mind of its own, so what does it need me for" - Daniel Dennette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Cenidoza Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 Those were 12lb hammers. Quote www.bemoretraining.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gripuru Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 Dan, how "old" is this video? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkmann Posted July 30, 2006 Author Share Posted July 30, 2006 I think it was decemberish. I've only been training withthos guys for 8 months or so and I was around when he shot it so it's not terribly old. Quote My Training Blog "Frog blast the vent core!" - Bob "My body has a mind of its own, so what does it need me for" - Daniel Dennette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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