Holle Dumbell, How Much?

[DuTCH]

Well, since i am practising and focusing on lifting the Inch at Mobsters place in Feb. I am training hard on the Holle thing. (actually the replica from climber)

Should i be lifting the same here on a holle dumbell, 78kg, to lift the real INCH or is it less/ more?

Maybe it's obvious, but i'd like to know what I have to shoot for. I did a 50kg lift tonight.

I know íf i had the Inch, i could put it on a weight scale, and see how much i can lift it off, and then use the Holle to see where i am at... But don't have an INCH

PS. (maybe BURKI can test this?)

[mobsterone]

As a guide I wasn't able to 'do' the Inch until I pulled 212lbs on my 2.5" handle.

[bentpresser]

I have a Holle db and there seems to be quite a differential (meaning the Holle is very hard...) to other thick bars. I would wager that anything over 120lbs on the Holle would equal an Inch. Call me crazy.

[Hubgeezer]

My brother gave me a Holle for Christmas 2 years ago. I could lift 175 on it to full deadlift, and looked forward to lifting the Inch.

Six months later, after 5 years, he gave me his Inch.

I think my best lift of the Inch is approximately one-quarter of one inch off the ground. It has made an excellent doorstop.

I agree with Mobsterone.

Bentpresser, you wanted to be called crazy. You got your wish, you are crazy.

Hubgeezer

[burkhardmacht]

If the surface of the handle is not slick like the Holle Inch from Ironmind You have to lift round about 60kg in the hardest position. Nathan Holle told me that if You can lift 60kg on it You "[...] can lift 100kg on the RT and definately lift the InchDB."

50kg in the hardest position is not bad but miles away from 60kg! Always train in the hardest position - never trick Yourself with the easiest position!

If You pull the Inch from a bathroom scale it doesn't mean much if You pull it to 0 kgs because You can't measure the rotation (which is starting if the Inch leaves the ground) with a scale!

[mobsterone]

I have a Holle db and there seems to be quite a differential (meaning the Holle is very hard...) to other thick bars.  I would wager that anything over 120lbs on the Holle would equal an Inch.  Call me crazy.

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120lbs? That's 52 or so pounds less than an Inch. Nathan is wrong, as was proven recently, about the 100-kilos on an RT - except maybe a brand new handle.

[supermagnamon]

As a guide I wasn't able to 'do' the Inch until I pulled 212lbs on my 2.5" handle.

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Sweet. My buddy and I are not too far away then.

[Hubgeezer]

You have to lift round about 60kg in the hardest position. Nathan Holle told me that if You can lift 60kg on it You "[...] can lift 100kg on the RT and definately lift the InchDB."

50kg in the hardest position is not bad but miles away from 60kg! Always train in the hardest position - never trick Yourself with the easiest position!

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I will concede that I was "cheating" on the Holle, as I would find the "sweet spot", but I could lift 75kg when I did so, all the way to the crotch. And let me repeat, at my best, lifting the Inch, it goes up a whopping few millimeters.

I have not really touched it in a year, so tonight I will see what I can lift in the "hardest" position, which should be, the first place you grab it, I think. My best dominant hand RT was 90kg around 2 weeks ago.

I want you guys to know that I am trying my best to speak Metric and not American here. Part of the Gripboard's Cultural Sensitivity Program to make up for TBF (The Bush Factor)... Hey, anything we can do to promote World Peace and Understanding...

I will give the Holle dumbbell my best shot in the worst position tonight and let you know.

Hubgeezer

[burkhardmacht]

Cool Hubgeezer! But please try out the Inch too!

[DuTCH]

Cool guys! Lots of opinions, but I think it comes down to just heavier weights!

Hubgeezer, let me know what you can do!

Maybe we can go in debate with the Holles come 25th of Feb mobby

Burkhard, what are you doing on the Holle thing?

Edited December 29, 2005 by DuTCH

[mobsterone]

If they can lift the Millennium then they are welcome to debate. Otherwise...

[gazza]

Steve

Have you had a go of a Holle it up d/bell,definately much less than 200lbs on that in the difficult position needed to equal the inch.

remember nathan now toys with the inch.

[mobsterone]

I'll admit I haven't. But I also toy with the Inch so... If he brings one along we'll see.

[DuTCH]

Chris James was bringing an Inch right?

[burkhardmacht]

Will Nathan definately come to this meeting?

[gazza]

Burghard

Who knows the Holle lads are very coservative but if Nathan or any of the other Holle boyz turn up watch out cause they wont be comeing along to just make up the numbers

Steve i have witness your inch and millenium prowess but can you clean or get either overhead

Chris is bringing along an inch and so will i so THEO we will be expecting an Inch Farmers off of someone

[mobsterone]

I'm training to lift the Millennium and am hoping to bring up my left hand enough to do a farmers walk with the Inch's. My last session saw me doing singles with 206lbs with either hand. My right will need to go a lot higher to do the Millennium but I'm on schedule so that should be ok.

I have it in the back of my mind to maybe start trying to clean an Inch weighted bell. The local gym has a pair of 70-kilo / 154lbs bells and if I can do reps with that as well as do thick bar I might be ok. I will never press it while I have the one ass hole. I can only 2 hand press about 180 so... That said I'd prefer that we all do what we can with what's there.

So they'll be 2 x Inch dumbbells (Chris's and Gazza's), my Millennium, my old Rolling Thunder Handle, loads of grippers, an adjustable pinch and so on. I think I can easily one hand deadlift with either hand an Inch (done before) as well as row one (again done - Europe 2005 burky taped it). One hand lift a Millennium (done but not for a while), do 220-240++ on a RT (I'm doing 116.25k right handed right now) and so on.

I'd like to see Jim and Chris one hand lift the Millennium and if either of the Holle's does it as well - that would be Four score and seven years ago I am the MAN because I swear and I want everyone to know how manly I am by using profanity.ing awesome! If more than one or two of us can do a Inch farmers as well - that's gotta be good. If Jim or I can then add a 240 RT lift in there as well...

[Ron Mazza]

I have a Holle db and there seems to be quite a differential (meaning the Holle is very hard...) to other thick bars.  I would wager that anything over 120lbs on the Holle would equal an Inch.  Call me crazy.

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120lbs? That's 52 or so pounds less than an Inch. Nathan is wrong, as was proven recently, about the 100-kilos on an RT - except maybe a brand new handle.

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mobster--- do you mean to say that one doesn't have to be able to pull 220lbs. or more on the RT to be able to deadlift the inch, or that one HAS to be able to pull 220lbs.+?

[mobsterone]

I think that two weeks ago someone suggested less. It was taken from those that have done the Inch and done x weight with a RT. I think, without checking, it was 180+. However, this doesn't allow for the condition of an RT handle. Mine is old and stiff where as a new one... 200+ lbs is super tough. I did an Inch 'lift' at the GGc 2004 for time (7 seconds post event) and I won the RT event on a new handle with a hard 217lbs.

[gazza]

I think Big Chris and Dale are both gonna clean and press the inch And someone new is gonna be added to the Millenium list

[DuTCH]

Gazza: i'd be happy to just lift it! Maybe a one hand Inch stroll?? I let the fancy stuff be done to the real pro's

[gazza]

Theo me 2

[Ron Mazza]

I think that two weeks ago someone suggested less. It was taken from those that have done the Inch and done x weight with a RT. I think, without checking, it was 180+. However, this doesn't allow for the condition of an RT handle. Mine is old and stiff where as a new one... 200+ lbs is super tough. I did an Inch 'lift' at the GGc 2004 for time (7 seconds post event) and I won the RT event on a new handle with a hard 217lbs.

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my RT is a few years old, but not stiff at all. having said that, the new RT's fresh out of the package are quite a bit more difficult. whatever i can do on mine, i get about 25 lbs. less on a brand new one. a few weeks ago at a contest i did a fairly easy 207 then lost 232 just as i was locking it out. a couple of days ago,(on my RT) i managed 250 in plates alone. when i first got my inch, i was pulling 225 on my RT and could only pull the inch to mid-shin. it wasn't until i pulled 230 or maybe 235 on my RT before i could fully d.l. the inch. that would mean i would have needed to pull at least 205 on a brand new handle. i think though for some reason guys have been able to d.l. the inch while being able to do less than that on the RT. i wonder what factors are involved with that?

[mobsterone]

I wanna see some new stuff. Chris and Dale have done the Inch before. A 2 inch farmers will be new for me.

[DuTCH]

Ron, some good #'s on the RT.

There have been numerous topics about this INCH vs. RT.. I practically read them all.

I think there can be only one conclusion, and that is that every INCH can vary, as well as every RT handle.

If, from now on all new INCH lifters , would be tested on the same RT handle (with not much time inbetween) , the numbers of INCH vs. RT would not be such a huge difference IMO.