bentpresser Posted December 23, 2005 Share Posted December 23, 2005 I assume that everyone knows this already, but WW can actually get four different "strengths" of a given level of gripper, i.e., Grand Master has a 1, 2, 3, and 4. Bill at WW told me that the 4's are sent out to fill orders, but 1's, 2's, and 3's are also available as custom. The difference in the four of them is the distance from the top of the legs, to the spring coil, i.e., the spring is set progressively deeper into the legs from 1's to 4's. I have some of these, and wanted to share my findings that not only do they make for great incremental stepping stones, but also that "1's" in a given level are very easy to use with PDA chokers becaue of the greater gap in that area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denisbeck Posted December 23, 2005 Share Posted December 23, 2005 In this thread it was mentioned that Tetting was going to make plus sizes. http://www.gripboard.com/index.php?showtopic=17116 Is Bill mistaken about the 4 variants of each rating, since Tetting makes the Beef Builders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Dockery Posted December 23, 2005 Share Posted December 23, 2005 I'd guess that the 4 variants are 1/4", 3/16", 1/8", and 1/16" mounting. Warren was calling the 1/16" mounting "Plus", because it would be harder than a stock "x" gripper. Warren's stock mounting is 1/8". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Browne Posted December 23, 2005 Share Posted December 23, 2005 In this thread it was mentioned that Tetting was going to make plus sizes.http://www.gripboard.com/index.php?showtopic=17116 Is Bill mistaken about the 4 variants of each rating, since Tetting makes the Beef Builders? ← What Tetting told me, is that there will be 11 new strengths added to his line of grippers. The sizes will be identified by Plus +. Example: Beginner, Beginner +, Advance, Advance +, and so on up through the Pro. He will be be adjusting the spring depth, as well as do a load test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porkchop Posted December 23, 2005 Share Posted December 23, 2005 (edited) I'd guess that the 4 variants are 1/4", 3/16", 1/8", and 1/16" mounting. Warren was calling the 1/16" mounting "Plus", because it would be harder than a stock "x" gripper. Warren's stock mounting is 1/8". ← I have BB grippers from the Master up through the GE and all of mine are 1/16" mount except for the GE which is 1/8" mount. I orderd them from wwfitness with no special requests for them. Weird. If my Elite is really an Elite+ I'd love to get my hands on a standard one and see how it compares. pc Edited December 23, 2005 by porkchop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Posted December 23, 2005 Share Posted December 23, 2005 my friend ordered an elite from ww site and when it came it turned out to be about the strength of my grand master. we thought it was defective or something so he sent it back for another one and got a pretty average elite this time. if your saying the standard orders are the 4's, maybe he accidently got an elite1? the spread on the gripper was also more narrow than any other bb i've seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fissure Posted December 23, 2005 Share Posted December 23, 2005 The difference in the four of them is the distance from the top of the legs, to the spring coil, i.e., the spring is set progressively deeper into the legs from 1's to 4's Does the spring depth apply to CoC's also? I have a #2 (2005) with a 1/4" mount that I can get a dozen reps with, but the bottom of the spring on my #3 (2002) is almost flush with the top of the handle. I can't get this past the last 3/8", it is pretty tough- so much so that I have ordered some 'tweeners to work on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muscle Turtle Posted December 23, 2005 Share Posted December 23, 2005 This is getting too hardcore outta hand for me... I just like having a gripper with something on the bottom of it, and I attempt to close it... the harder the better... Is this all getting out of hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handgripperman Posted December 24, 2005 Share Posted December 24, 2005 just got some + grippers from warren. got a SM+ GM+ and E+. these are great. the spring is actually less than a 1/16 it looks to be more under the handles It feels to be half way up to the next gripper. the SM+ feel half way from the SM to the GM the GM+ feels to be halfway from the GM to the E. Warren also wants to make the knurl even more sharper than the sharp ones he has been making recently . He put the new knurl on my SM+ so I can tell him what I think. I personally think its too sharp. the new knurl he has been making is sharp enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted December 24, 2005 Share Posted December 24, 2005 just got some + grippers from warren. got a SM+ GM+ and E+. these are great. the spring is actually less than a 1/16 it looks to be more under the handles It feels to be half way up to the next gripper. the SM+ feel half way from the SM to the GM the GM+ feels to be halfway from the GM to the E. Warren also wants to make the knurl even more sharper than the sharp ones he has been making recently . He put the new knurl on my SM+ so I can tell him what I think. I personally think its too sharp. the new knurl he has been making is sharp enough ← Now this is great news ! Warren really was able to hit the middle of the range dead on just by reducing the mounting depth, or did he have to do more ? I presume the handles have a + added on one side so you don't confuse them ? The GM+ should be great for the many of you guys looking for something inbetween a #3 and BBE (unless you have a hard #3) and for weaker guys like me who like NS work, the gap in between the #2 and BBSM is huge. If the BBM+ is dead nuts in between the BBM and BBSM it will be very useful here and right at the limit of what I can NS close. I do have two RB's (RB180 and RB240N) right about that level, but it certainly will be great if Warren's tweeners are very close to exactly in between and maintain that consistancy from gripper to gripper. Thx for the review of the extra sharp knurling. .. neilkaz .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denisbeck Posted December 24, 2005 Share Posted December 24, 2005 This is getting too hardcore outta hand for me... I just like having a gripper with something on the bottom of it, and I attempt to close it... the harder the better... Is this all getting out of hand? ← IS there special marking on the plus sizes to differentiate them from the standard? or do you just have to compare it based on the depth setting? I'm hoping that the beef builders will come with a special marking because it you don't have the standard one to compare them to you're left guessing where the gripper lays in relation to others out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKE HALEY RILEY CLOE Posted December 24, 2005 Share Posted December 24, 2005 This is getting interesting guys. I ordered, several years ago, the original 6 strengths WLW had----good grippers---my SE is as hard as my #4. Then a year or so later I ordered the other ones offered from WLW----SA,SM,GM,GE,PRO, and yes ,even the Galaxy. I am curious as Denis has asked - is there an identifying mark? Other than mounting depth. It would be nice to know I have been working on a BBE4 instead of BBE1---(or whatever we are going to start calling all these variations), for the last 15 months! I have used a micrometer on all my grippers---and they fall within the ranges listed in the FAQ section. As I asked on the other thread----can we even tell that small of a variation? (It could only be about 10-15 pounds or less, between 1,2,3, and 4 of each model) Dont get me wrong I love the choices out there, just not sure it might be getting out of hand! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted December 24, 2005 Share Posted December 24, 2005 More questions here.. Is all Warren doing to get in between simply making the mounter depth more shallow ? It seems to me, that this wouldn't be enough to fill the huge gap in between the BBM and BBSM which is 60 IP. .260 BB Master …………………………………………………................195 lbs .260 COC #2 …………………………………………………................195 lbs .275 BB Super Master……………………………………………............255 lbs .281 COC #3 ……………………………………………………..............280 lbs .281 BB Grand Master…………………………………………….............280 lbs I have 4 BB's and all have shallow mountings anyhow, although they could be a bit more shallow. But there isn't a whole lot of room. I can see where 10 or even 15 IP could be added, but to get in between the BBM and BBSM there's 60 IP so a 30 IP adjustment is needed. RB adjusts his coil size to make some of his standard grippers stronger or weaker, but I wonder just how Warren will make a BBM+ equal to 225 IP (2.35 rating) while maintaining the typical 2 3/4" handle spread. I have a stock BBM, BBSM, and BBGM and trust me when I tell you that the BBSM is definately closer to the BBGM than BBM so I agree with the typical 2.7 rating which is shown in the poundages listed above. Fortunately I have a 2 13/16" #2, RB180, RB240N and RB260N in between my BBM and BBSM so the need for another gripper in that range is not pressing, but I certainly am curious ! .. neilkaz .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porkchop Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Well, there has been a lot of discussion and speculation over the "incremental" Beef Builder grippers so I thought I'd add my two cents in with how my four new toys stack up to the hype, or not. BBE1 - 1/4" mount and 2.75" spread (MMG1 dud) Well, that's how I ordered it anyway. The spread was a hair under 2.75" when I got it which to me was close enough. I closed it right out of the package with a wider than MMS. Very easy close. To me was between my average #3 (3.0) and hard #3's (3.3). I'd give this one a 3.05.. for now. The problem with this one is that it is losing spread like crazy. I did two singles and a double and it's down to almost 2.5"! I'm not real crazy about that. I'd hate to see what this one is like after it's had 100 or so reps on it. The handles are clearly marked. One side has an "E" and the other has a "1". Just as you would expect. BBE2 - 3/16" mount and 2.75" spread (MMG2 dud) This one was a hair over 2.75" and one tough SOB. I couldn't close it right out of the box (missed it by 1/2" or so!). In fact, even after seasoning with 100 foot stomps and a trusty squirt of lubricant I still missed it by about 1/16" or there about. I'd say this one is close to my 2 5/8" Elite (3.4) probably a tad harder. I'd give it an initial rating of 3.4. It seasoned down to exactly 2.75". This one is about right on to what I expected. The handles are clearly marked. One side has an "E" and the other has a "2". Just as you would expect. BBSE1 - 1/4" mount and 2.75" spread (MMG3 dud) Stout gripper! Right out of the box it was exactly 2.75" spread and pretty darn hard. I missed it by about 5/8" right out of the box with a MMS. After seasoning with 100 foot stomps and a trusty squirt of lubricant, it retained it's initial 2.75" spread. I was able to get it down to 1/4" from close with a MMS. This one has potential to become my new favorite gripper! This one is about right on to what I expected. The handles are clearly marked. One side has an "SE" and the other has a "1". Just as you would expect. BBSE2 - 3/16" mount and 2.75" spread (MMG4 dud) This one was 2.75" right out of the box and I didn't even attempt to close it. After seasoning with 100 foot stomps and a trusty squirt of lubricant, it retained it's initial 2.75" spread. I gave it a good squeeze and got it down to parallel. Quite a bit harder than the BBSE1 but still easier than my BBSE. This one is about right on to what I expected. The handles are clearly marked. One side has an "SE" and the other has a "2". Just as you would expect. First impressions, except for the BBE1 I'm happy with them. I suppose it's not unrealistic to think that you could get a gripper every now and then that doesn't turn out just as you like it. Overall, I would do it again. pc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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