seaman Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 Wondering if someone else have a better (easier)close with no set than setting the gripper?I´m still struggling with #2 about 0.5 cm away no set but when i try to set the gripper i cant get it to 1 cm away from a close.okay i allways have trained no set ,did not now what a set was before signing in to gripboard,so maybee that is the reason. Better that way if i someday (when) i can close the #3 and want to cert.the close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raziel Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 Maybe when you set the gripper you just don't have it in the right spot? Additionally, a squeeze can vary slightly each time, no set or not. In any case, to smash it that last 0.5-1cm, I'd suggest doing some overcrushes with a filed #1. good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SqeezeMasterFlash Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 I've always had more lock with no-set or a small set than a really deep set. But like you, that's the way I've always trained. Training with a set will make you good at a set. I find the biggest problem is holding the gripper in the set position and exploding from there. I have more luck with only a slight set and exploding through the entire sweep and into the close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SantaClawz Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 Guys, sorry for the ignorance but can someone explain to me what a no-set versus a set is? Thanks a lot. S.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankyBoy Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 No-Set Close Set-Close Same #3, different hands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaman Posted September 29, 2004 Author Share Posted September 29, 2004 Guys, sorry for the ignorance but can someone explain to me what a no-set versus a set is? Thanks a lot.S.C. Hi go the the grip Fag section and the pinned post frequently asked questions there you find the answer and other good stuff for newbies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SqeezeMasterFlash Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 Hi go the the grip Fag section I take it you meant Grip FAQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaman Posted September 29, 2004 Author Share Posted September 29, 2004 Maybe when you set the gripper you just don't have it in the right spot? Additionally, a squeeze can vary slightly each time, no set or not.In any case, to smash it that last 0.5-1cm, I'd suggest doing some overcrushes with a filed #1. good luck! Thanks maybe i do that ,only have one gripper each #1,2,3 (so expensive here 40 $)so i have hesitate to do that and my friends at the gym like to test their strenght and try the #1 only a couple have closed it .Made my own version of the SW so try to do some work on it before filing the gripper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaman Posted September 29, 2004 Author Share Posted September 29, 2004 Hi go the the grip Fag section I take it you meant Grip FAQ oops i did it again! Sorry but my english is not so good .From Finland so i speak swedish and finish better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SqeezeMasterFlash Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 Hi go the the grip Fag section I take it you meant Grip FAQ oops i did it again! Sorry but my english is not so good .From Finland so i speak swedish and finish better. Not a problem. Welcome to the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrown Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 IMO, unless your hands are huge (like 9" plus) if you find it easier to do a no set than a set, you don't know how to set the gripper. The set is easier. I have had people tell me that the no set is better for them, but then after we work on the set, they are convinced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulgrim Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 the deeper I set a gripper, the easier it is to close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Loaf Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 (edited) No, he meant the grip FAG section. Its the part with Clay Edgin's pics. OH YEAH FLAMER Edited September 29, 2004 by Meat Loaf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybersnott Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 No, he meant the grip FAG section. Its the part with Clay Edgin's pics. That reminds me of the pic Clay and I did at the AOBS. It's a double forearm shot and it's about as grip faggy as you can get!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clay Edgin Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 That pic of me and Snott at AOBS in my gallery still makes me laugh. I was half drunk (okay, mostly drunk) and I had to convince him to pose like that. PS - I would hate you guys, but it is kind of hard to hate Meat with his new POWERGAYBOYBANDLOAF haircut. He looks too effeminate. And I can't hate Snott because he looks too much like the Son of Sam to really mess with him without worrying about being shot. Back to the subject at hand....the bottom line is that if you don't have the strength to close that last 1/2" of any gripper, it's not going to matter whether you can set it or not. 99% of gripsters agree that setting a gripper makes it easier to close, but you have to have the horsepower to shut the thing first and foremost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 I use a set for all the hard grippers but I know the set must be dead on for a good close, I find if I wrap the pinkie too far it won't be a good attempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSW Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 Thanks maybe i do that ,only have one gripper each #1,2,3 (so expensive here 40 $)so i have hesitate to do that and my friends at the gym like to test their strenght and try the #1 only a couple have closed it .Made my own version of the SW so try to do some work on it before filing the gripper. I wouldn't bother with buying anymore Coc's, if i were you. The Robert Baraban grippers would be much cheaper and of better quality. The next gripper I buy will be an RB330N with a chrome spring and brass handles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mac Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 Back to the subject at hand....the bottom line is that if you don't have the strength to close that last 1/2" of any gripper, it's not going to matter whether you can set it or not. 99% of gripsters agree that setting a gripper makes it easier to close, but you have to have the horsepower to shut the thing first and foremost. Depends on whether you use one of them there "explosive" sets or not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milkbone Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 (edited) I think it's a good idea to practice setting the grippers with the Trainer so you can get the feel for it. Anyone that says it is not easier to close a gripper with a set VS no set is not setting it correctly IMO. Or, maybe it's that way for people with freakishly large hands, especially if they do not anchor the handle into their thumb pad / palm correctly. Maybe the extra leverage works against you. A no set for me is three fingers. How a four finger close could be the same level of difficulty for me as a three finger close is beyond me. Edited September 30, 2004 by milkbone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 maybe it's that way for people with freakishly large hands, especially if they do not anchor the handle into their thumb pad / palm correctly. Maybe the extra leverage works against you. A no set for me is three fingers. How a four finger close could be the same level of difficulty for me as a three finger close is beyond me. I agree, a no set close with the proper thumb placement for me is also a 3 finger close "on a #3" and my hands are 8" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 Back to the subject at hand....the bottom line is that if you don't have the strength to close that last 1/2" of any gripper, it's not going to matter whether you can set it or not. Absolutely, which is why I don't see why people get so worked up about set depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 yup Another great point, there are no credits or points for half closing a gripper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaman Posted October 1, 2004 Author Share Posted October 1, 2004 Okay maybee wrong to talk about Coc #2 which i cant close but its the same with #1 that i can close,much harder to close with a set than a no set.Even with a washer on which set the handles to pararell i feel its harder. And for handsize a dont exactly how to measure the hand but from the wrist (were thumb begin) to top of middle finger its 20 cm=7.87 inch not so big i think? And isnt it better to train NO SET when the rule for cert. is no set? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigmfsk Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 The rule for certification allows a parallel set. The cert that counts (my opinion): Mash Monster. The "Captain of Crush" cert is more well known, and certainly a good goal. I'm working on both. I do sets when the other hand is feeling fine for a pinch, and do no-sets when the other arm is sore for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bencrush Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 I respectfully disagree with those who said something along the lines of not knowing how to properly set if your no set close is equal or close to your set close. I've closed far too many grippers (in my opinion) to think that my set technique is that messed up. Recently I discovered that I am every bit as strong with no set closes as I am with set closes. I will admit it took a while to get to this point, but that is the point...they ARE equal, and I don't believe it is my lack of set knowledge that is holding back my set closes. I think it is a simple lack of strength in the close. And of course working almost exclusively with no set closes has brought them to equal. I would like to ask John Wood if his no set and set strength are the same yet. He's been preaching the no set closes for a LONG time now...I'm guessing (maybe incorrectly) that his no set strength is at least the equal of his set strength and possibly higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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