scotthelms Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Me and Dane were doing a gripper workout and the question came up as to what is a set. I was thinking a no set would be grab the gripper where it rests, but Dane says that you can get your fingers locked on it. The gripper is slightly closed at the point he considers a no set. He works the gripper comfortably into his hand with only his one hand though. What do you think??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Van Weele Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Using anything but the hand used to close the gripper when it comes to positioning the gripper itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clay Edgin Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 I agree with Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle102887 Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 I agree with Matt aswell, setting the gripper in your hand is already an advantage in itself, because you can put it in a position that you like and that gives you the best grip......SO in my opinion a no set it picking it up and just closing it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king crusher Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 im with everyone else...and what i say go's. j/k lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumnorix Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 What about holding the spring with your off hand to position it (or some other way that will not close the gripper, such as by one handle), taking that hand off, and closing it. A valid no set? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinH Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 With the credit card rule you almost have to no set close it anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itch85 Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 yeah just pick it up and crush, no help from the other hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 anyone else have thoughts about holding just the spring with your opposite hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mac Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 I consider holding the spring to be a "set" close - the grip on the springs can help to position the handles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeP Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 To me positioning a gripper and setting a gripper are different. Setting a gripper would be intentionally reducing the ROM of the close and positioning the gripper would just be holding it while you get your hand in the right spot. I think this is the heart of the new credit card rule, Randy didn't invision people setting the gripper, he views it as cheating or easier, and so now it is a no set close, positioning only allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Lipinski Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 "Randy didn't invision people setting the gripper, he views it as cheating or easier, and so now it is a no set close, positioning only allowed." I don't think that statement is the truth. I was setting the gripper back before there was any debate about "setting", and I described to Randy what I did, and he said it was fine. I certified a few years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Piche Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 "Randy didn't invision people setting the gripper, he views it as cheating or easier, and so now it is a no set close, positioning only allowed."I don't think that statement is the truth. I was setting the gripper back before there was any debate about "setting", and I described to Randy what I did, and he said it was fine. I certified a few years ago. I agree. Call it positioning or whatever you want to call it. It has existed for years. I remember studying Steve Weiner's #3 close. And, Heath's. It's just the power of the Net and people exchanging information that's accelerated people's understanding that proper placement for maximum leverage exists. It's no different than a squat or a bench press in this regard. Heck, if you want to get picky, just make a rule where the pinky can't be over the edge of the handle. Regardless of set or no set. Setting can be done even for no-set closes by the wriggling movement. For the new VISA close, just see the newest COC (can't remember his name) and you will see careful placement of the gripper in his hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Loaf Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 (edited) A true "no-set" is when you pick up the gripper from the floor with no help from your other hand...and then you find out your fiance has been cheating on you with a married man. No setting up for that one, man. damn i love being alive Edited August 29, 2004 by Meat Loaf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danegarreau Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 So, if you were to pick up a gripper with one hand, wiggle it into good position with the same hand then close it, would that be considered a no set close? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Van Weele Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 I think the question was what do you all consider a set. Not a no set. Dane I would consider what you mentioned to be a no set. I'm not the authority on it but thats what I have always felt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybersnott Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Watch the Kinney video. Joe positions the gripper in his hand and then squeezes it shut. It is what I consider a no set close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotthelms Posted August 30, 2004 Author Share Posted August 30, 2004 So working the gripper with one hand into a good closing position similarily to the way you would set with the other hand is not considered a set. Is this only because you change the ROM and position with one hand instead of two??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Lipinski Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 From what I understand, the currently "acceptable" way for a no set close by the internet and by "history" is just using one hand to pick up then close the gripper. Using another hand to even position the gripper can make a big difference, at least for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybersnott Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 So working the gripper with one hand into a good closing position similarily to the way you would set with the other hand is not considered a set. Define "good closing position"? A deliberate set and a position are two totally different things IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotthelms Posted August 30, 2004 Author Share Posted August 30, 2004 place the gripper in your hand and lock your thumb over to hold it there. then work your fingers around the other side of the gripper to past the first joint which translates to about half an inch movement in the grippers ROM. then closing from this new position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybersnott Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Scott, Are you trying to get a clarification on what you have... whether or not it's a set or a position? Lots of factors like how big your hand is and how wide the gripper is would determine the difference. I think you are being a little vague in your description - sorry, I'm not trying to be an ass or anything, I'm really trying to understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bencrush Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Very good points from most here. I consider a "set" to mean reducing the range of motion by ANY amount, before the actual close is attempted, in order to aid a close. And of course there is a pause there, pulling the gripper in, then attempting the close. I believe that if the gripper is pulled in even 1/32" then it's a set. That doesn't mean it's not worth anything. Just means it's a set. The way I close a gripper when using the table no set method is to pick up the gripper with whichever hand I have chosen to close the gripper with. Then, still only using the hand that I intend to close the gripper with, I manipulate (position is a good word), by hand movements, the gripper into the best possible spot for an attempted close. Again, I consider it a "positioned" close but it's still a FAR cry from picking it up and using the other hand to position into the exact groove necessary for a maximal leverage close. By using the TNS I don't feel it's possible to get quite the leverage of a positioned close with the other hand. I don't pull the handles in at all until I start my attempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king crusher Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=set not all these apply but a few do...by the deffiniton any touching to SET it in a desired position is a set. so to no set would be to just grab it and do it. case closed.......done and done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeP Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Bob & Bill, obviously I haven't interviewed Randy and I can't read his brain, hmmm, or can I? I will mediatate on that later. Anyway, what I meant by saying that he didn't envision people setting the gripper, was that he didn't envision SO MANY people setting the gripper and being able to close it. Wanting to protect his list and make it more difficult he added the CC rule. Its just the way I kind of see it, is that he is making it a "no set" rule and the card enforces that. Everybody makes good points about the "no touchy, no touchy" (Emperors New Groove) method and that would be the ultimate in tough. I'm just going by the averag joe and what he thinks. On a rig, if I hand a man a gripper, he positions it with the off hand and then attempts to squeeze. This I consider a no set. Then, after he fails a few times, I show him how to pull the gripper in with the other hand and reduce the ROM getting it in the most powerful spot, ie setting. If there was some kind of vote and everybody agreed to call it however, I probably missed it cause I'm a newbie to grip, but it just seems that there are almost 4 ways to close it, from toughest to easiest 1) The JB grip tip method of hanging it by a string tied to the spring and reaching out and grabbing it explosively (name?) 2) A no position close 3) a no set close 4) a set close. IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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