The Mac Posted November 23, 2001 Share Posted November 23, 2001 Wannagrip, I totally agree. Perhaps the hint is not big enough?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Piche Posted November 23, 2001 Share Posted November 23, 2001 Roark, Kevin Fulton, and others suggested the same thing. Oh well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 86-1005097353 Posted November 24, 2001 Share Posted November 24, 2001 You people seem to insist that I perform certain feats of pinch grip to demonstrate that I indeed have such ability. That really is not a fair way to treat this situation. Here are the facts re what I claim. I have built a pinch grip machine as seen on my site Grip Strength. The grip plate is shiny stainless steel and is 52 mm thick. We have had contests for 9 years on those machines. The record started at about 52.5 kg and is now 92.5 kg. I hold all the men's records. The women's record is 40 kg. This is an accurate and fair means to measure and test pinch grip strength. Now, what on earth does pinching plates have to do with my record? I make no claims about my pinching ability on other surfaces and with other apparatus. I make the specific claim of having pinch gripped a world record weight because it exceeds any performance previously seen or claimed. I am not claiming that my performance is superior to any other performance for the simple reason that those records cannot be compared. They were done on different surfaces and with different rules. I do not claim to be stronger in the pinch grip than David Horne or Nick McKinless. However, I invite them to test themselves on my machine. In the event that they cannot exceed my record that does not mean my performance is superior to what they achieved on other surfaces. Each surface has to have its own record holder. Why you people cannot accept something new is understandable but should not be a reason for dismissing a performance. In the near future we will have other pinch specialists test their grip on the machine. That might give my performance some perspective. I will be holding another world championship next November in Sydney. I am the only person who has built a testing machine and who is staging a world championship. Until we have a properly functioning grip organization that sets standards, rules and contests then it is wide open for anyone to do as they please. This is the way it has always been! I agree it is time to get organized and I believe we have enough interested people to succeed. However, we also need leaders to carry this out. I give my reasons for the standards used on my machine. I will listen to suggestions and improvements. I will not return to "garage" conditions to test my pinch grip ability. You know, if we all have to close grippers and pinch plates to gain respect from others that will be a sad day. We are just a bunch of enthusiasts who go about our sport mainly unrecognized by the Iron game. Occasionally one or two of us might have a story written about their performances. We certainly are on the fringe of the lifting sport. I appreciate all grip feats and performances and do not demand that anyone succeed at any events to gain respect. That I have pinched 92.5 kg does not mean I should be able to pinch 2 X 45 lb plates together. Neither does that mean that anyone who can succeed in that feat will surpass my record on the pinch grip machine. It may be possible to be good at all the pinch grip events but maybe not. I do know that the thickness of the plate is important and so is the surface. I will have a go in my own time and report back. Until someone builds a superior machine to mine then I will continue to use it to do the pinch grip. I have another prototype on the drawing board. It will have at least 115 kg on it, have a wider platform and have an easily removable grip plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilGrip Posted November 24, 2001 Share Posted November 24, 2001 This topic is really getting old! Vince, do you have a specific aversion to pinching plates? You stated that your record exceeds that of any previously claimed, the falacy of that statement though is that it cannot readily be compared to ANY other form of pinching. You seem very adamant about your abilities regarding pinching, so just humor us and try the plates once. I appologize in advance if I have gone over the edge here, but I believe I was the first person to have read Mr. Basile's post, and have been very curious as to how it would be received, and up till now it has just been a run around. I'm done ranting for now... as I now have a headache... M. Bolstad ... if you're gonna do it, over do it. ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tou Posted November 24, 2001 Share Posted November 24, 2001 Vince, If you want to invite David Horne to try your pinching machine, you better add a couple of hundred pounds to your machine. If you do 203 on this, I think (and probably most of the grip board members do so) that David Horne will lift at least 300 pounds on it. Let's face it, 2 x 45's plates are simply glued to the floor when most of us try to lift it. It takes grip masters like Horne, Sorin, the Gillingham's, Brookfield and some others to lift such a weight in the pinch grip. Well, David Horne lift that weight with plus 75 pounds !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Black Posted November 24, 2001 Share Posted November 24, 2001 Vince, one of the reasons we want you to test yourself with plates is to determine how well we would do on your machine. After all, it's quite a ways to Australia for most of us and we are merely curious. If you do the test we ask and perform 90-pounds with plates the machine is 2.2 times the plates. Since I've done at little over 90-pounds on 2" plates (I think I popped up 92.5-pounds, but not to a full lockout) I might be able to assume that I could at least tie you on the machine and it might be worth it to me to visit and see your wonderful country, and claim your world title. Also, I don't even consider myself a good pinch lifter, what with David Horne doing 50 pounds over me. By the way, if you can barely do 90 pounds then you better add a lot of weight to your machine for when Nick visits, because I don’t think the new surface is going to throw him off that much. I seem to remember David writing an article that describes Nick cutting his hand, getting stitches and then returning to finish his grip workout. That's tough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mac Posted November 25, 2001 Share Posted November 25, 2001 In his first post on this thread Mr. Basile mentioned that we couldn't compare him to anyone else unless they use his machine or he uses the "apparatus they use". As Tom say, we are simply very interested to know what Vince can pinch with plates (the "appartus they use") for comparison. Until someone uses his machine and beats that lift then Vince will always be the record holder and we should not try to take that away. It is true that pinching on a machine is much different than pinching with plates. But I don't see that a world-class machine pinch-grip wouldn't translate to a world-class plate pinch-grip. I think as gripping enthusiasts we have a number of lifts that we consider to be "world-class" and it is hard to relate them to numbers on a machine. As I've mentioned elsewhere I'm sure Vince would have top-level gripping strength on any surface, and I wouldn't be at all suprised if Nick McKinless struggled to get near/surpass the 92.5kg lift (I know, I'm sticking my neck out on that point). In anycase, in an appeal to Vince, please post some plate pinch numbers. It;s probably the only way some of us here will accept you and hopefully begin to learn from anything you could add. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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