Rob Vigeant Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 I remember the old days when IM wouldn’t accept credit cards and you had to call to get a shipping quote. Now, they are required to close grippers! Weird. We should do this: everyone find an old, no longer usable credit card and send it to Randy with the following note: The new rule sucks! Here's MY card!! or send him a bag of crack and tell him to smoke some more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybersnott Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 or send him a bag of crack and tell him to smoke some more! Rob.... sending a bag of crack thru the mail is a FEDERAL OFFENSE. Don't do it! Grip training in prison?? Let's NOT go there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom of Iowa2 Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 or send him a bag of crack and tell him to smoke some more! Rob.... sending a bag of crack thru the mail is a FEDERAL OFFENSE. Don't do it! Grip training in prison?? Let's NOT go there.... speaking of crack?just pkg. up a good 'ol Iowa steamer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGuy Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 Some people are saying that with the new rule that they cannot reach with there pinky. I do not even have room on the handle to use my pinky even though I can reach easily and have never set any gripper. Large hands can also be a problem! Meanwhile all this is several nails in the Ironmind certification coffin! What the hell are you talking about? What don't you understand??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Vigeant Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 Some people are saying that with the new rule that they cannot reach with there pinky. I do not even have room on the handle to use my pinky even though I can reach easily and have never set any gripper. Large hands can also be a problem! Meanwhile all this is several nails in the Ironmind certification coffin! What the hell are you talking about? What don't you understand??? What do you mean.. your fingers are to wide because Tony Scrivens can fit his hand on the handles and his hands are a little bit thicker than yours.... Also Rob W hands are at least as big as yours and he has no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSW Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 sounds to me like RSW is the mole..... Yeah me and Randy go way back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGuy Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 Some people are saying that with the new rule that they cannot reach with there pinky. I do not even have room on the handle to use my pinky even though I can reach easily and have never set any gripper. Large hands can also be a problem! Meanwhile all this is several nails in the Ironmind certification coffin! What the hell are you talking about? What don't you understand??? What do you mean.. your fingers are to wide because Tony Scrivens can fit his hand on the handles and his hands are a little bit thicker than yours.... Also Rob W hands are at least as big as yours and he has no problem. I do not have room at the end of the handle for my little finger. If I move my hand up the handle to make room, my index finger is only halfway on the top of the handle and I lose leverage. Gripper handles are 3.75'' in length. Not very long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikael Siversson Posted March 14, 2004 Share Posted March 14, 2004 Overall, I understand Strossen's concerns but I feel the change in the rules was not well considered. The whole credit card thing is, to be honest, somewhat flawed. I want to crush the handles shut is a decisive manner, not my credit cards. I need my credit cards. Randall needs our credit cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Vigeant Posted March 14, 2004 Share Posted March 14, 2004 Some people are saying that with the new rule that they cannot reach with there pinky. I do not even have room on the handle to use my pinky even though I can reach easily and have never set any gripper. Large hands can also be a problem! Meanwhile all this is several nails in the Ironmind certification coffin! What the hell are you talking about? What don't you understand??? What do you mean.. your fingers are to wide because Tony Scrivens can fit his hand on the handles and his hands are a little bit thicker than yours.... Also Rob W hands are at least as big as yours and he has no problem. I do not have room at the end of the handle for my little finger. If I move my hand up the handle to make room, my index finger is only halfway on the top of the handle and I lose leverage. Gripper handles are 3.75'' in length. Not very long. Usually your pinky should be halfway on the handle then you should have plenty of room for your index finger. Maybe your hands are as wide as Tony's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Van Weele Posted March 14, 2004 Share Posted March 14, 2004 Hands wider than Tony's would be a sight to behold. His hands are huge. Pictures, words, whatever they don't do them jusctice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGuy Posted March 14, 2004 Share Posted March 14, 2004 They are not that wide, but definitely wider than 3 3/4'' the length of the handle. I do not think that the pinky helps a great deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffPeterson Posted March 14, 2004 Share Posted March 14, 2004 For those who have e-mailed Randy what e-mail address did you use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Van Weele Posted March 14, 2004 Share Posted March 14, 2004 The one on their web site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumnorix Posted March 14, 2004 Share Posted March 14, 2004 They just responded to this thread in the news blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte Cristo2 Posted March 14, 2004 Share Posted March 14, 2004 Captains of Crush® Certification: No Second-Class Citizens "..We instituted the one-inch rule a little over a year ago in an attempt to stop the trend toward deeper and deeper sets, but it has not worked the way we had hoped, so we felt that we had no choice but to act decisively to correct this situation. On the other hand, if someone wants to clamp down a gripper, leaving a gap the thickness of a razor blade, and then close it, more power to him...." It sure doesn't sound like he thinks those who set CoCs aren't Second-Class Citizens. He is saying as much here. Any Coc's here set it that deep? If any do, is that the typical way or just hyperbole from the good Dr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mac Posted March 14, 2004 Share Posted March 14, 2004 This whole situation is getting massively overblown. If you don't like it then focus on the MMG cert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Piche Posted March 14, 2004 Share Posted March 14, 2004 On the other hand, if someone wants to clamp down a gripper, leaving a gap the thickness of a razor blade, and then close it, more power to him...." This is absurd. I've never seen ANYONE close a gripper like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Page Posted March 14, 2004 Share Posted March 14, 2004 My e mail to Dr. Strossen: Dr. Strossen: I first purchased the trainer and the #1 in 12/02 and discovered the Grip Board shortly there after. A short time later I purchased your #2 and #3 as well as a great deal of other products you manufacture. I am 45 years old and my joints feel all of the stress and pain associated with years of heavy weightlifting. This new gripper phenomenon really intrigued me because I could compete again with the younger guy's. I've trained like a mad man in my garage ever since. Ironically I was going to contact Iron Mind Friday about certifying as I have been closing the #3 for a couple of months. Dr. Strossen I have been self employed all of my professional career and in different markets and I must say, without stating the obvious, you have a tremendous and unique nitch, world wide, in this relatively new facet of strength training. I have three problems with this Rules change. First and foremost it eliminates an equal playing field with respect to different hand sizes. There is no getting around that. This new rule penalizes guys and gals with smaller hands who will never have a chance to become a COC regardless of fortitude and determination. Secondly, it hasn't just been one year that people have been setting the gripper to get their pinky on it, has been years. A drastic rules change like this with out creating another "no set COC list" , in my opinion, taints the current list of COC's. Thirdly Dr. Strossen, in all due respect, I think you have failed to realize just how large the grip world has grown and is growing every day. By these shear growth numbers alone you are going to have more people closing the #3 and #4 gripper. People like myself are out there unbeknown to you training to close these grippers that you have and others have manufactured. You should not be concerned that more and more people are getting certified you should embrace it, applaud it and support it. Using a set whether you call it a "deep set" or a "regular set" ,without the handles going past parallel, is the only way to create a common playing field for everyone world wide to compete with each other. It doesn't matter if you weigh 350 pounds or you are only 5' 4", but the size of your hand sure matters. As I am sure you know, it is not the sweep of the close that is the most difficult, it is that last inch. I am respectfully asking you to reconsider this rules change. In the sprit of competition it is only fair. Yours in grip, Tom Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Black Posted March 14, 2004 Share Posted March 14, 2004 On the other hand, if someone wants to clamp down a gripper, leaving a gap the thickness of a razor blade, and then close it, more power to him...." This is absurd. I've never seen ANYONE close a gripper like this. Yes, and wouldn’t proper implementation of the 1” rule have eliminated that type of razor thin close (if they existed)? And if not, then wouldn’t this be a reflection on those doing the certification not being able to see the difference between razor thin and 1”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Piche Posted March 14, 2004 Share Posted March 14, 2004 On the other hand, if someone wants to clamp down a gripper, leaving a gap the thickness of a razor blade, and then close it, more power to him...." This is absurd. I've never seen ANYONE close a gripper like this. Yes, and wouldn’t proper implementation of the 1” rule have eliminated that type of razor thin close (if they existed)? And if not, then wouldn’t this be a reflection on those doing the certification not being able to see the difference between razor thin and 1”? As I said, the bigger issues with the cert aren't even addressed. So, it makes it even MORE absurd that statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Vigeant Posted March 14, 2004 Share Posted March 14, 2004 On the other hand, if someone wants to clamp down a gripper, leaving a gap the thickness of a razor blade, and then close it, more power to him...." This is absurd. I've never seen ANYONE close a gripper like this. Yes, and wouldn’t proper implementation of the 1” rule have eliminated that type of razor thin close (if they existed)? And if not, then wouldn’t this be a reflection on those doing the certification not being able to see the difference between razor thin and 1”? As I said, the bigger issues with the cert aren't even addressed. So, it makes it even MORE absurd that statement. Whats the matter with the handle of another gripper......3/4''' Surely EVERYONE who's certing has a gripper to stick in the end for the set? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mac Posted March 14, 2004 Share Posted March 14, 2004 The handle of another gripper is too narrow, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoDa Posted March 14, 2004 Share Posted March 14, 2004 (edited) I have been a lurker for a long time. This thread has finally made me post. I wrote the following to Strossen: Randy, I have purchased 8 of your Ironmind COC grippers over the last 2+ years. I can now routinely close your #3 gripper and was just going to write you to get certified. I have been able to close the #3 for 3 months now but did not want get certified until I could do 5 reps with the #3. That way I would be able to certify for sure the first time. I guess now I can no longer write you to get certified because I can no longer meet the certification requirements. I have been training for this for over two years. My hands have been cracked and callused. My hands have been so fatigued that I can barely close my hands. For someone that has never closed a #3 or has never done any amazing grip feat, I find it ironic that you have responded to some of the Grip Board members with some lame inspirational statements. You have NO idea what it is like to train grip. For that I am very disappointed. At this time I have no use for any of your products and will no longer purchase your products or recommend your products to my friends. After reading what you did to Heath this last week at the Arnold makes me realize that you and Ironmind are no longer being objective but being a group of elitist snobs. It is for this reason also that I have no use for any of your products and will no longer purchase your products or recommend your products to my friends. Sincerely, Eric Danielson I sent it to him at sales@ironmind.com. I am now going to put all my energy to closing the Mash Monster Grippers. I have no use for Ironmind. Edited March 14, 2004 by DoDa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamidon Posted March 14, 2004 Share Posted March 14, 2004 please do not take this the wrong way but you should not mention others in your complaints to ironmind. The comment about Heath makes it sound like he has been complaining, which I do not believe is the case. Not flaming anyone just my opinion, I am sure that your intentions were pure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Piche Posted March 14, 2004 Share Posted March 14, 2004 please do not take this the wrong way but you should not mention others in your complaints to ironmind. The comment about Heath makes it sound like he has been complaining, which I do not believe is the case.Not flaming anyone just my opinion, I am sure that your intentions were pure. I didn't get that whatsoever. But, probably because I know what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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