Roark Posted December 16, 2001 Share Posted December 16, 2001 Place your forearm on a table top so that your upper arm is at a right angle to your forearm. Palm up. Grasp the end of a sledge- hammer which also is placed on the table at a right angle to you forearm. So, that if you are using the right hand, the sledgehammer will be offset to your right. Now 'simply' twist the sledgehammer up to an upright position using only the hand and forearm which must remain in contact with the table top during the movement. The wooden tip must not touch the table top, but be 'in' the hand. Details needed: length of hammer handle from wooden tip to the top of the metal at the other end. What weight hammer? At one time Kaz claimed to be the only man able to do this with a 16 lb sledge. Is that still the case? Tom Black, we await a response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest woody36 Posted December 16, 2001 Share Posted December 16, 2001 Joe, Is this beyond the abilities of Slim Farman? I would have thought he could outclass Kaz on anything to do with Hammers,or at least to be his equal. I read of Kaz challenging Jon Pall to a leverage contest with the hammer outstreached on the floor and levering up ala Slim,and both managed 22pounds,but i don't know how much Slim does in this style. Regards Ray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted December 16, 2001 Author Share Posted December 16, 2001 Ray, You may well be right; I am seeking info on what the record status is on this. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest woody36 Posted December 16, 2001 Share Posted December 16, 2001 Joe, Slim may not lever in the method you describe,i just thought he would practice in various positions for overall strength,it's a phenomenal lift by Kaz in any case but i did wonder about Mr Farman. Regards Ray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Black Posted December 16, 2001 Share Posted December 16, 2001 You may be waiting a long time for me to perform that feat, but I will try in about an hour. Kaz and Jon Pall doing 22-pounds with the hammer outstretched on the floor does not seem possible. That would be about 660 Inch-pounds (22*30 inches). The Weaver stick equivalent would be 18.85 pounds, still above the reverse world record. I have heard from good authority that Slim cantilevers the handles up with a small platform on the floor. The hard part of Slim's feat is up overhead, not of the floor. Slim's record with hands in front is 31.25-pounds, but I don't know about the lift with his arms outstretched. My high estimate would be 24-pounds from pictures I've analyzed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest woody36 Posted December 16, 2001 Share Posted December 16, 2001 Tom, You're probably right,i found the article and it's on Slim himself but describes the manner in which the lift is performed. From a kneeling position the hand is placed on the very end of a regulation sized hammer.He then pivots the hammer upright while his hand remains on the floor.The writer then goes on to say that the best he has ever personally witnessed was in 1987 when Kaz challenged Jon Pall and both succeeded with what the writer believes was a 22 pound hammer,no one else could duplicate the stunt. The writers name isn't mentioned but it's either Dave Gentle or Dave Webster,it was at a strongman comp so my money's on Webster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Boog495 Posted December 17, 2001 Share Posted December 17, 2001 Roark, I learned this same movement from a physical therapist,albeit with the typical small dumbells that are used in most rehabilitation centers and not sledges. I use the Ironmind Heavy Hammer II. Of course the length of the load isn`t the same as a sledge handle, but it does give a stout wrist and forearm workout, plus you can microload the Hammer II so you can vary your weight. I also let the plates go off the edge of the table so it lies fairly flat. The Hammer II would be fairly easy to duplicate with an extended bar to replicate a sledge handle and one can start light and progress up. What are your thoughts on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted December 17, 2001 Author Share Posted December 17, 2001 Sounds okay, but if you are planning to try it with sledges, the conditions in training should be as similar as possible. Perhaps buying a sledge handle for a 16lb sledge, then progressively loading it, but what you are doing is fine- just a matter of using heavier weight for a shorter handle. When I was a boy the man who lived across the street, Mr. Matthews, worked for the Gill Compnay that makes track and field implements. I was young so maybe a heard it wrong, but it was said he could grab a vaulting pole by the end and lever the other end off the ground. Wonder what he could have done with a sledge? I do vividly remember him crushing a metal Prince Albert tobacco can using just one hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnimalCage Posted December 18, 2001 Share Posted December 18, 2001 I tried this last night with a microphone stand. The base was about 4-5 lbs, and the stand itelf was about 3/4" diameter. I held it about 30" from the base, and could barely turn it up. 2 more inches out, and I thought my wrist was going to break. I also tried it as a Weaver Stick to the rear, and had pretty close to the same results. I was wondering if a similar exercise would be beneficial. I could load a dumbbell, grasp it on the end, bring the dumbbell up and over a full 180 degrees, pass it off to the other hand, and just go back and forth. Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Harlan Jacobs Posted December 19, 2001 Share Posted December 19, 2001 I tried this with a push broom that has a 5' handle.Not real hard ,I did % sets of 10, but a great exercise.I also took a new roll of duct tape and slid it over the brush of the broom and tried that. That was a bit more than I wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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