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14 hours ago, SeNoLD said:

Karl is very strong, but for some reason he is in no hurry to share the results. I don't understand any other motivation to train, except for rivalry, and he deprives me of this😒

Honestly while Carl is indeed the closest to you at the moment on grippers, there is no need for any rivalry at this time. You will win.

although if you wait too long to certify the #4, it is possible that Carl could be the first to certify the #4 with the credit card set.

as far as Nathan Holle, IMO he had many years he could have re certified on the #4 under the newer stricter rules, but never did. Unless he proves me wrong, I’m gonna go ahead and say that his time for that has passed.

I believe both David and Carl can get the #4 cert. it’s simply a matter of who will be first.

 

btw, is it not crazy to think that there are finally people (plural) walking the earth that we know can certify the #4?.. everyone thought it to be impossible for so many years. Now here we are drooling waiting on one of these guys to finally just do it! Lol!

 

edit: there is also a guy from Russia that can certify the gold nail under the strict conditions Ironmind requires. Like, right now!

WTH are you guys waiting for?

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On 9/11/2021 at 6:55 AM, Wannagrip said:

I have stated this too and it was scoffed at by some others on this forum.  Well, just look at this video!  BOTH hands.

Gonna go ahead and just launch this turd into the fan and say it… was one of them Paul savage? Lol!

Ah, yes!… the famed and everlasting professional roaster and critic of anyone who closes #4 level grippers that isn’t from Great Britain.. who only makes appearances in the name of reminding everyone why he and mobster are the best to ever do it. And that no one is a threat to them on grippers.

 

……but If not I take it back. And none of that is true about Paul..🤞🏻 

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18 minutes ago, Tommy J. said:

 

I believe both David and Carl can get the #4 cert. it’s simply a matter of who will be first.

 

 

 

 

I definitely think my boi @Ivan Cuk is potentially another candidate for the #4 cert

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Jermiah Merciconah said:

I definitely think my boi @Ivan Cuk is potentially another candidate for the #4 cert

 

 

Crud. I forgot about Ivan! 

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33 minutes ago, Jermiah Merciconah said:

I definitely think my boi @Ivan Cuk is potentially another candidate for the #4 cert

 

 

I mean that’s a pretty good pull… but it is not in the league of Carl and David. There was like 7/16” of real estate left to cover before we would even need to pause and identify a possible close. And TBH, the last 1/2” is where all the poundage of a #4 really lets you know it’s a #4.
That said, the only guys that should be looked at as serious candidates when it comes to certing the #4, are guys who have not only fully closed them, but done so with relative ease.

i know Ivan is strong.. but is he wide set close a #4 strong? Is he clean an inch DB with relative ease strong?.. because Carl and David both are.

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Well the fact that Ivan is 19 and is closing in on the 4 in his first year of grip kinda speaks volumes

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2 hours ago, Tommy J. said:

edit: there is also a guy from Russia that can certify the gold nail under the strict conditions Ironmind requires. Like, right now!

WTH are you guys waiting for?

Here's the guy bending the Gold. Insane. 

 

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1 hour ago, Jermiah Merciconah said:

Well the fact that Ivan is 19 and is closing in on the 4 in his first year of grip kinda speaks volumes

Typically the guys who go on to manhandle big grippers do so in fairly short order. So I suspect he’ll do big things if he’s honing in on a #4 this early.

although the above is sort of a common belief, and a good note, it’s not a rule. There have been other #4 closers that took years of grinding to get there. Paul Knight was one of those guys. I think the very first time he touched grippers, he couldn’t quite close a #1. Then almost 11 full years later he was closing big grippers including a few #4’s, and was even the first MM7 cert. I suspect Tanner for example will eventually be closing #4’s also at some point. Especially if he specializes a bit with grippers.

so while most guys who are strong on grippers out of the gate do go on to have some impressive closes, it’s not a determining factor of who else will or won’t do the same.

but with respects, I think the only 2 names that can be mentioned on merit based achievements as legit #4 cert candidates at this time are Carl and David.

everything else is only honorable mention.

But… if im forced to participate in the honorable mentions thing, I’m throwing Stephen, Morgan, and Chez’s names in before Ivan. At this time.

I mean but hey, if Ivan goes on to cert the #4 some day, (which I hope he does) then great. Right now tho he’s only got like 10 miles between where he’s at currently and where Carl and David are at. And I mean if we’re being real, there is actually almost a half mile between Carl and David.. I dig that your turning the volume up for a homie tho. Trust me, I get it.

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1 hour ago, stranger said:

Here's the guy bending the Gold. Insane. 

 

Alex is the man on the unbraced bending.

I know I just carried on about the honorable mention thing above.. but this one is a little different than an honorable mention. Alex is just as much of a current and all time #1 in unbraced steel bending as David is on grippers.

sort of interesting that they are both Ruskies, too.

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2 minutes ago, Tommy J. said:

Alex is the man on the unbraced bending.

I know I just carried on about the honorable mention thing above.. but this one is a little different than an honorable mention. Alex is just as much of a current and all time #1 in unbraced steel bending as David is on grippers.

sort of interesting that they are both Ruskies, too.

Must be something in the water. 

He's also the only guy to certify on the Horrido 12.9 bolt. 

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17 minutes ago, stranger said:

Must be something in the water. 

He's also the only guy to certify on the Horrido 12.9 bolt. 

And he did it with authority. I only attempted one 12.9 bolt when I was right near my strongest level double overhand. It was one of the bolts in the box Hannes sent me that had my cert KOAB back in 2013 I think. The most I did to it was about a 10-15 degree smile. I remember being amazed at how far it would spring and come right back without deviating! That thing basically just ate up all my steam in like 7-8 really big long hits. And I came at it fresh the day I tried it. It even ate skin on my fingers and tore wraps that I didn’t think could be torn at the time. So yeah, Alex is a monster bender, for sure. Actually, THE monster bender. That Derek guy has another thing coming if he thinks he’s gonna dethrone Alex. Because not only is he the strongest, period, but that 12.9 bend along with his 6” SS square bend also makes Alex the baddest pound for pound double overhander at his 225-230lb BW. If Derek believes he’s gonna get anywhere near those bends at under 200lbs, he’s smoking crack laced with bath salt. That would basically be the equivalent as a sub 200lb guy trying to out bench Julius. That’s how far ahead Alex really is.

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16 minutes ago, Tommy J. said:

And he did it with authority. I only attempted one 12.9 bolt when I was right near my strongest level double overhand. It was one of the bolts in the box Hannes sent me that had my cert KOAB back in 2013 I think. The most I did to it was about a 10-15 degree smile. I remember being amazed at how far it would spring and come right back without deviating! That thing basically just ate up all my steam in like 7-8 really big long hits. And I came at it fresh the day I tried it. It even ate skin on my fingers and tore wraps that I didn’t think could be torn at the time. So yeah, Alex is a monster bender, for sure. Actually, THE monster bender. That Derek guy has another thing coming if he thinks he’s gonna dethrone Alex. Because not only is he the strongest, period, but that 12.9 bend along with his 6” SS square bend also makes Alex the baddest pound for pound double overhander at his 225-230lb BW. If Derek believes he’s gonna get anywhere near those bends at under 200lbs, he’s smoking crack laced with bath salt. That would basically be the equivalent as a sub 200lb guy trying to out bench Julius. That’s how far ahead Alex really is.

I don't think Derek is that far away for the 12.9. he got one to 3 inches a while ago so he's definitely in the ball park. Besides him I think Josh Goldthrop (sp?) Might be going for the 12.9 this year too. Would be cool to see 2 more names added to that list. Maybe it'll motivate Alex to cut one down? 

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7 hours ago, Tommy J. said:

Honestly while Carl is indeed the closest to you at the moment on grippers, there is no need for any rivalry at this time. You will win.

although if you wait too long to certify the #4, it is possible that Carl could be the first to certify the #4 with the credit card set.

as far as Nathan Holle, IMO he had many years he could have re certified on the #4 under the newer stricter rules, but never did. Unless he proves me wrong, I’m gonna go ahead and say that his time for that has passed.

I believe both David and Carl can get the #4 cert. it’s simply a matter of who will be first.

 

btw, is it not crazy to think that there are finally people (plural) walking the earth that we know can certify the #4?.. everyone thought it to be impossible for so many years. Now here we are drooling waiting on one of these guys to finally just do it! Lol!

 

edit: there is also a guy from Russia that can certify the gold nail under the strict conditions Ironmind requires. Like, right now!

WTH are you guys waiting for?

When it comes to wide sets and cards, I am sure that Carl is stronger than me. Significantly. My strength is deep set, if I want, I can close GHP 10, but this will not give me Coc 4 CCS)

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8 minutes ago, SeNoLD said:

When it comes to wide sets and cards, I am sure that Carl is stronger than me. Significantly. My strength is deep set, if I want, I can close GHP 10, but this will not give me Coc 4 CCS)

From what I have seen of you on video, I wouldn't call you a DEEP set specialist. One #4 Certified CoC was that, Tommy Heslep. You have mastered what I would call a "medium" set very well, better than everyone in the game right now. But yes, CCS is more difficult. It would seem though that of all the Mash Monster Ladder candidates, you are absolutely next in line. I appreciate your humble or realistic nature, not sure which it is. But it is very refreshing to see. 

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3 hours ago, SeNoLD said:

When it comes to wide sets and cards, I am sure that Carl is stronger than me. Significantly. My strength is deep set, if I want, I can close GHP 10, but this will not give me Coc 4 CCS)

I think this is the first time in history anything like this has been said, and no one bats an eye.

to further clarify, do you think you can deep set close the GHP10? Or certify the 10 for the Gillingham list?

seeing either will be remarkable, regardless.

 

fun fact, I just noticed as I was typing Gillingham on my phone, it came up in the auto fill line above the keyboard! I’ve never experimented with what all last names do the same, but I guess it just goes to show how renowned the Gillingham brothers are. Lol

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2 hours ago, Joe Sullivan said:

Don’t know much about him outside of  a strong gripper close... is he strong in other things throughout the body like axle or Saxon lifts ? Can he lift the inch? Stuff like that? Or is he only gripper strong? Seriously asking and not being sarcastic or facetious in any way... just don’t know anything about the guy. 

Either way the guy is strong. He’s young and is already attempting to wide set close #4’s. If he hasn’t yet done much other crazy grip stuff, I believe he will in time.

my comments above weren’t to diss the guy. Instead more what I was doing was pointing at a rank in file, who’s who type thing.

unfortunately, doing that does tend to ruffle feathers at times. But someone’s gotta do it. Lol!

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6 hours ago, stranger said:

I don't think Derek is that far away for the 12.9. he got one to 3 inches a while ago so he's definitely in the ball park. Besides him I think Josh Goldthrop (sp?) Might be going for the 12.9 this year too. Would be cool to see 2 more names added to that list. Maybe it'll motivate Alex to cut one down? 

that last inch could be put on par with the last 7/16” it takes to close a #4. I’m not saying he doesn’t have it in him.. but I do believe he’s going to need to put on a little size to match some of Alex’s bends. If not he’s unnecessarily risking injury for no real reason. I was the 1 guy to beat at under 200. Hands down. And He has since surpassed some of my bends at that size. Alex is the next pound for pound guy to beat. And also ironically the best to ever do it overall. And he is closer to 105k. I truly believe that what Alex is doing is amazing even at his larger than 200lb size. So dereks most intelligent next step is to get bigger. And also to quit being a triggered soyboy. 😁
 

basically what we are seeing with Alex is a scaled up version of myself and Derek. He pushes it to the brink at his size, just like I did when I was bending at under 200, and like Derek also does. The best way to safely contend with Alex is to simply get bigger and go harder.

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13 hours ago, Tommy J. said:

And he did it with authority. I only attempted one 12.9 bolt when I was right near my strongest level double overhand. It was one of the bolts in the box Hannes sent me that had my cert KOAB back in 2013 I think. The most I did to it was about a 10-15 degree smile. I remember being amazed at how far it would spring and come right back without deviating! That thing basically just ate up all my steam in like 7-8 really big long hits. And I came at it fresh the day I tried it. It even ate skin on my fingers and tore wraps that I didn’t think could be torn at the time. So yeah, Alex is a monster bender, for sure. Actually, THE monster bender. That Derek guy has another thing coming if he thinks he’s gonna dethrone Alex. Because not only is he the strongest, period, but that 12.9 bend along with his 6” SS square bend also makes Alex the baddest pound for pound double overhander at his 225-230lb BW. If Derek believes he’s gonna get anywhere near those bends at under 200lbs, he’s smoking crack laced with bath salt. That would basically be the equivalent as a sub 200lb guy trying to out bench Julius. That’s how far ahead Alex really is.

Never knew how strong you were at DO bending, moving the Horrido 12.9 bolt 10-15 degree is impressive!

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11 hours ago, Joe Sullivan said:

Don’t know much about him outside of  a strong gripper close... is he strong in other things throughout the body like axle or Saxon lifts ? Can he lift the inch? Stuff like that? Or is he only gripper strong? Seriously asking and not being sarcastic or facetious in any way... just don’t know anything about the guy. 

He broke the inch off the floor first try and pulled 210lbs on the RT first try at his 185lbs bodyweight. 

He only focuses on grippers so id say for 19 years old and 185lbs he has great potential in  other aspects of grip.

He is Not on Carls or Davids level yes but he still is only a teenager and could be in time.

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17 minutes ago, Lennix said:

Never knew how strong you were at DO bending, moving the Horrido 12.9 bolt 10-15 degree is impressive!

Thanks. Back then it wasn’t the Horrido 12.9. It was just a 12.9. Lol same bolt tho. To my knowledge a 12.9 has never been made at 7” that had anything other than the black Allen head style. Which is exactly what mine was.

obviously no one at that point had ever bent one. And when Hannes sent it to me he did mention that he believed it was unbendable, but wanted to see me give it a go anyways. At the time, every time he attempted a Big G8 (horrido 10.9 equivalent), he broke the threads off of it. As did a couple others including PK, etc. EJ and I were the only guys bending big G8’s in single wraps, and Hannes commented at the time that he couldn’t figure out how to bend one without breaking it. The best way to avoid that happening is bending it in singles. His situation with the G8 was what ultimately made him believe the 12.9 was unbendable, and would instead break.

being that he was an elite bender that I also respected, I just sort of left it there with the 12.9. And assumed he was right about the probability it would break instead of bend. And simply never seeked to bend another one.

so I guess I’ll go ahead and brag a little..

it only took about 7-8 years for another sub 200lb guy to best some of my bends.

at the level of DO bending myself and others are/have been on, you could compare it to the elusiveness of a raw 700lb bench for most powerlifters. With still to this day only around 10 or so matching or besting those bends. And only 1 of those guys being lighter than me.

DO bending was and still is my wheelhouse. And I’m bigger and stronger now than I ever have been. Albeit slightly less flexible.. Needless to say, should I ever decide to pick it back up and hone in on it again, I will without a doubt shake the top of the list up again.

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3 minutes ago, Tommy J. said:

Thanks. Back then it wasn’t the Horrido 12.9. It was just a 12.9. Lol same bolt tho. To my knowledge a 12.9 has never been made at 7” that had anything other than the black Allen head style. Which is exactly what mine was.

obviously no one at that point had ever bent one. And when Hannes sent it to me he did mention that he believed it was unbendable, but wanted to see me give it a go anyways. At the time, every time he attempted a Big G8 (horrido 10.9 equivalent), he broke the threads off of it. As did a couple others including PK, etc. EJ and I were the only guys bending big G8’s in single wraps, and Hannes commented at the time that he couldn’t figure out how to bend one without breaking it. The best way to avoid that happening is bending it in singles. His situation with the G8 was what ultimately made him believe the 12.9 was unbendable, and would instead break.

being that he was an elite bender that I also respected, I just sort of left it there with the 12.9. And assumed he was right about the probability it would break instead of bend. And simply never seeked to bend another one.

so I guess I’ll go ahead and brag a little..

it only took about 7-8 years for another sub 200lb guy to best some of my bends.

at the level of DO bending myself and others are/have been on, you could compare it to the elusiveness of a raw 700lb bench for most powerlifters. With still to this day only around 10 or so matching or besting those bends. And only 1 of those guys being lighter than me.

DO bending was and still is my wheelhouse. And I’m bigger and stronger now than I ever have been. Albeit slightly less flexible.. Needless to say, should I ever decide to pick it back up and hone in on it again, I will without a doubt shake the top of the list up again.

Thanks for the summary! Would be awesome to see you bend some steel.

@topic Awesome closes David will be interesting to see what you can do to the mm8 and mm9!

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Like some of you kinda been saying, I think gripper strength can be divided between wide and deeper set. I've probably made a similar post before but here goes:

Who's the strongest will depend on how much you're willing to trust Nathan Holle. I won't believe anything 100% until there's some video evidence but according to him, he's closed the GHP 10 from a deep set (possibly parallel), closed Tetting Pro, CCS several CoC 4 including a brand new one, also a personal best of 21 MMS reps with a CoC 4, done reps with the GHP 9 with the block, closed that Russian gripper at 232 RGC on video, etc. Seems like he's been very busy lately and has had some bad luck with smaller injuries so no videos for a long time, though he has quite a few on Instagram. Peak Nathan Holle would be the strongest if you believe that the above is true, in my opinion, both wide and deep set.

Carl Myerscough two reps with the insane GHP 9 at 216 RGC make him the second strongest at wide reps, or likely the strongest at the moment if Nathan isn't back close to full strength. Maybe around the same level as peak Nathan regardless.

David is crazy strong at both wide and deep set, maybe even stronger at deep set than Nathan depending on what all the grippers are rated at. I think David could have the same chance as Carl with CoC 4 certification if he had similar hands since very wide sets favor those with bigger hands/longer fingers.

And then we have the anomaly Qianchen Yang who might have around the same deep set strength as David but definitely not wide set, though he did close the GHP 9 with the block recently.

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9 hours ago, Tommy J. said:

I think this is the first time in history anything like this has been said, and no one bats an eye.

to further clarify, do you think you can deep set close the GHP10? Or certify the 10 for the Gillingham list?

seeing either will be remarkable, regardless.

 

fun fact, I just noticed as I was typing Gillingham on my phone, it came up in the auto fill line above the keyboard! I’ve never experimented with what all last names do the same, but I guess it just goes to show how renowned the Gillingham brothers are. Lol

Only DS, 38 is too wide for me
I'm thinking of doing it this year

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21 hours ago, Tommy J. said:

But… if im forced to participate in the honorable mentions thing, I’m throwing Stephen, Morgan, and Chez’s names in before Ivan. At this time.

I mean but hey, if Ivan goes on to cert the #4 some day, (which I hope he does) then great. Right now tho he’s only got like 10 miles between where he’s at currently and where Carl and David are at. And I mean if we’re being real, there is actually almost a half mile between Carl and David.. I dig that your turning the volume up for a homie tho. Trust me, I get it.

I was wondering about Chez, and if he reads this would like to hear his thoughts.  I know he has MMS closed COC 4s up to around 200, but he has been injured and come back a couple of times and I am not sure if he is back up to that again, or re-approaching it, or maybe even beyond it.  I suspect he will get MM8 sooner or later, and I think that he is pursuing that more than CCS closes right now (but he can correct me if I am wrong of course).  I'm not sure he has even done the 3.5 IM cert yet (although if you asked me whether I would bet on him succeeding at that, I would bet yes).  Care to chime in Chez?  I'm a pretty big Chez fan for the homie reason Tommy mentions, so I am rooting for him but not looking to speak for him.  And Chez is young enough to improve, still -- he's still in his 30s.  I'm in my 50s and still improving (not on trajectory to join any elite clubs though lol), so there is plenty of time for Chez to reach whatever elite gripper goals he may have.

I have also very much enjoyed watching Anderson and Shamey's quick progress up the ladder.  I'm staying tuned for more.

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This is the greatest gripper close ever!  Congrats @SeNoLD.

Thanks so much @Wannagripand the others who pioneered the MM certification series.  There is no controversy with this close.  Everyone knows the MM closes are legitimate.

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