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Alawadhi

So I've tested all three. Derek Smith, Vitaly Laletin and Ermes Gasparini. Derek came yesterday and Vitaly/Ermes came tonight with Larry Wheels. They will all post on their channel and I was told not to spoil anything yet. But guys, all of them are very strong. And Vitaly has gigantic hands and is 6'9". See attached. 

For you who don't know Ermes, see his match against MMT. He is really strong.

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Tommy J.

Cant wait to see what Vitaly can do! In the last 2-3 years (I think..) he’s the only guy that’s been able to peel Levans cup open. No idea if that has anything to do with grip.. but I would suspect that at least his pronation strength is through the roof!

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2 hours ago, Tommy J. said:

Cant wait to see what Vitaly can do! In the last 2-3 years (I think..) he’s the only guy that’s been able to peel Levans cup open. No idea if that has anything to do with grip.. but I would suspect that at least his pronation strength is through the roof!

Let's just say he is super strong. There was also a match and will be posted if Igor gave his blessings (AKA approval :D). I don't know if you have noticed Tommy, but many people online (non gripsters) immediately say Levan or Vitaly has better grip than Khaled or X or Y because they can score that much on a dyno, which they call grip measurement machine. They don't know that there are different aspects in grip and that static crush doesn't really mean that much in dynamic crush. Yes, there are indications but it doesn't mean if I score more on a dyno, will mean I will bet better in grippers. Generally yes, but it is not the rule.

1 hour ago, Griparn said:

He’s on the very top of the russia dynamoneter GM-150 list. 
 

https://grippermania.ru/gm150/ranking#m-abs

 

 

Yeah is the third best as of now, was the first. But I don't know why he uses the smallest setting. I can only get 95 KG like that at BEST. I feel most of my power is gone. Same for Khaled. If wider I can get over 100 KG.

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1 hour ago, Alawadhi said:

Let's just say he is super strong. There was also a match and will be posted if Igor gave his blessings (AKA approval :D). I don't know if you have noticed Tommy, but many people online (non gripsters) immediately say Levan or Vitaly has better grip than Khaled or X or Y because they can score that much on a dyno, which they call grip measurement machine. They don't know that there are different aspects in grip and that static crush doesn't really mean that much in dynamic crush. Yes, there are indications but it doesn't mean if I score more on a dyno, will mean I will bet better in grippers. Generally yes, but it is not the rule.

Yeah is the third best as of now, was the first. But I don't know why he uses the smallest setting. I can only get 95 KG like that at BEST. I feel most of my power is gone. Same for Khaled. If wider I can get over 100 KG.

Yeah I don't think that gm dyno works well for bigger hands, even the widest setting feels significantly too narrow. Also improved grippers a lot inbetween tests on it an got the exact same number so no carry over at all no.

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1 hour ago, Alawadhi said:

Let's just say he is super strong. There was also a match and will be posted if Igor gave his blessings (AKA approval :D). I don't know if you have noticed Tommy, but many people online (non gripsters) immediately say Levan or Vitaly has better grip than Khaled or X or Y because they can score that much on a dyno, which they call grip measurement machine. They don't know that there are different aspects in grip and that static crush doesn't really mean that much in dynamic crush. Yes, there are indications but it doesn't mean if I score more on a dyno, will mean I will bet better in grippers. Generally yes, but it is not the rule.

Yeah is the third best as of now, was the first. But I don't know why he uses the smallest setting. I can only get 95 KG like that at BEST. I feel most of my power is gone. Same for Khaled. If wider I can get over 100 KG.

I agree... I find dynamometer or grippers don’t mean much at all when it comes to other aspects of grip. The rest of the world doesn’t know that though. They see a Big number on a dyno And think it carries over to the other areas. I don’t know why crush/grippers has so little to do with other forms of grip. It’s actually very weird to me. 

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1 hour ago, Joe Sullivan said:

I agree... I find dynamometer or grippers don’t mean much at all when it comes to other aspects of grip. The rest of the world doesn’t know that though. They see a Big number on a dyno And think it carries over to the other areas. I don’t know why crush/grippers has so little to do with other forms of grip. It’s actually very weird to me. 

Grippers move, and the vast majority of all other grip implements are just things you squeeze and try to lift via friction and there is essentially no hand movement. 

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27 minutes ago, Climber028 said:

Grippers move, and the vast majority of all other grip implements are just things you squeeze and try to lift via friction and there is essentially no hand movement. 

Yes I understand grippers are dynamic.... which would make me think they would translate even more to other things because it’s supposed to be strengthening the hand through the range one is closing. Just weird that it really does nothing for anything else and seems to hinder the other lifts.... As for the dynamometer... it  doesn’t move though... there are a lot of strong dyno closers that never used grippers. 

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4 minutes ago, Joe Sullivan said:

Yes I understand grippers are dynamic.... which would make me think they would translate even more to other things because it’s supposed to be strengthening the hand through the range one is closing. Just weird that it really does nothing for anything else and seems to hinder the other lifts.... As for the dynamometer... it  doesn’t move though... there are a lot of strong dyno closers that never used grippers. 

I was just referring to the last point about grippers. But another reason for little carry over is that the beginning of a gripper is too easy, so you really only get good strength gains from the last bit before the close. A closer analog would be a grip machine with parallel handles, since the force is constant throughout the entire squeeze. It is definitely odd tho, I think it's even stranger given that if to a novice grippers seem like the greatest device ever, when really it's not that important for hand strength in general. 

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38 minutes ago, Climber028 said:

I was just referring to the last point about grippers. But another reason for little carry over is that the beginning of a gripper is too easy, so you really only get good strength gains from the last bit before the close. A closer analog would be a grip machine with parallel handles, since the force is constant throughout the entire squeeze. It is definitely odd tho, I think it's even stranger given that if to a novice grippers seem like the greatest device ever, when really it's not that important for hand strength in general. 

I do not agree that you do not get strength gains throughout the start of the close..... you get maximum strength at the end of the close but you also are getting strength through the start as well as you need that beginning strength to get to the end strength each successive gripper you move up on... so there technically should be carryover from grippers to other things if you are full range closing. Alright... this is getting to nerdy for me... I’m out ... maybe.. 🤣

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45 minutes ago, Climber028 said:

I was just referring to the last point about grippers. But another reason for little carry over is that the beginning of a gripper is too easy, so you really only get good strength gains from the last bit before the close. A closer analog would be a grip machine with parallel handles, since the force is constant throughout the entire squeeze. It is definitely odd tho, I think it's even stranger given that if to a novice grippers seem like the greatest device ever, when really it's not that important for hand strength in general. 

And yes... non gripsters are all over grippers and they have no idea how little they mean in grip outside of grippers.... 

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8 minutes ago, Joe Sullivan said:

I do not agree that you do not get strength gains throughout the start of the close..... you get maximum strength at the end of the close but you also are getting strength through the start as well as you need that beginning strength to get to the end strength each successive gripper you move up on... so there technically should be carryover from grippers to other things if you are full range closing. Alright... this is getting to nerdy for me... I’m out ... maybe.. 🤣

No because whatever gripper is at your current level, the beginning is easy relative to what your actual crush strength is. Of course every movement will have some strength gains, but the majority of your strength will be in the closed position. Unless you did something weird and only closed the first inch or so of super heavy grippers for a long time, then you'd have monster set strength but couldn't close as well. This is just like accommodating resistance with bands or chains in powerlifting, and all the same force curve rules will apply. 

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8 minutes ago, Climber028 said:

No because whatever gripper is at your current level, the beginning is easy relative to what your actual crush strength is. Of course every movement will have some strength gains, but the majority of your strength will be in the closed position. Unless you did something weird and only closed the first inch or so of super heavy grippers for a long time, then you'd have monster set strength but couldn't close as well. This is just like accommodating resistance with bands or chains in powerlifting, and all the same force curve rules will apply. 

I don’t think we are  on the same page... or we are somewhat but not totally because closing the gripper through the full range should also strengthen the hand for other grip events. That’s what I’m saying. It should assist in some way with the more isometric lifting of axles, pinching etc. Thats all.... 

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29 minutes ago, Joe Sullivan said:

I don’t think we are  on the same page... or we are somewhat but not totally because closing the gripper through the full range should also strengthen the hand for other grip events. That’s what I’m saying. It should assist in some way with the more isometric lifting of axles, pinching etc. Thats all.... 

Just not the way it works. Okay yes if you can no set a #4 chances are your not going to be weak on other grip lifts, but there's very little carry over from grippers to other events (other events to grippers can be a different story). Grip strength tends to be very specific to the event, otherwise the sport of grip wouldn't exist.

If you take grippers, pinch and thickbar, and compare them to bench, squat, and deadlift, that would be a pretty fair comparison. Bench press isn't going to carry over to the other two, pinch may or may not carryover to thickbar like squat may or may not carry over to deadlift. Some exercise carry over pretty well to general grip strength as some do to general strength but best way to get better at the lifts is typically going to be to train all the lifts. Or on the flip side you might be a card tearing specialist or whatever it is you choose and get really good at that because you focus purely on that like a bench only etc

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55 minutes ago, Climber028 said:

No because whatever gripper is at your current level, the beginning is easy relative to what your actual crush strength is. Of course every movement will have some strength gains, but the majority of your strength will be in the closed position. Unless you did something weird and only closed the first inch or so of super heavy grippers for a long time, then you'd have monster set strength but couldn't close as well. This is just like accommodating resistance with bands or chains in powerlifting, and all the same force curve rules will apply. 

I actually did wide / ccs closes to silver bullet and progressed to mutant hard #4's for reps on them so a lot more resistance and improvement in that sort of range and it still didnt have a drop of carry over to the dyno so i think it's just a different thing either way.

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21 minutes ago, Paul Savage said:

Just not the way it works. Okay yes if you can no set a #4 chances are your not going to be weak on other grip lifts, but there's very little carry over from grippers to other events (other events to grippers can be a different story). Grip strength tends to be very specific to the event, otherwise the sport of grip wouldn't exist.

If you take grippers, pinch and thickbar, and compare them to bench, squat, and deadlift, that would be a pretty fair comparison. Bench press isn't going to carry over to the other two, pinch may or may not carryover to thickbar like squat may or may not carry over to deadlift. Some exercise carry over pretty well to general grip strength as some do to general strength but best way to get better at the lifts is typically going to be to train all the lifts. Or on the flip side you might be a card tearing specialist or whatever it is you choose and get really good at that because you focus purely on that like a bench only etc

Like I said... this is getting too nerdy for me... I’m out...

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11 hours ago, Alawadhi said:

Let's just say he is super strong. There was also a match and will be posted if Igor gave his blessings (AKA approval :D). I don't know if you have noticed Tommy, but many people online (non gripsters) immediately say Levan or Vitaly has better grip than Khaled or X or Y because they can score that much on a dyno, which they call grip measurement machine. They don't know that there are different aspects in grip and that static crush doesn't really mean that much in dynamic crush. Yes, there are indications but it doesn't mean if I score more on a dyno, will mean I will bet better in grippers. Generally yes, but it is not the rule.

Yeah is the third best as of now, was the first. But I don't know why he uses the smallest setting. I can only get 95 KG like that at BEST. I feel most of my power is gone. Same for Khaled. If wider I can get over 100 KG.

Interesting that there is even debate on how their grips compare.. I would think that’s sort of a non point. Khaleds grip will be stronger. As we all know though, Khaleds grip is way stronger than Levans and it meant zero on the arm wrestling table. If we are comparing Khaled to Vitaly, I’m far more interested in if Khaled can even get in a decent match with Vitaly on the table. As it should be the text book example of if a guy should or shouldn’t bother pursuing that level of grip when taking aim at being better on the table.

although, admittedly, I am interested in what all Vitaly can do in grip. More out of curiosity than anything else. We’ve seen it demonstrated many times now though that what makes a great arm wrestler isn’t dependent on his or her level of elite (or not) grip. Is grip strength relative in Armwrestling?.. I think so. But only to a point.  I’m fairly certain even I can hang with or beat nearly any top puller on grip in a well rounded grip comp. but those same guys will flatten and possibly even injure me on the table.

 

I know Khaled is a friend of yours. And I also recognize his world class grip strength as something truly rare. But if I were to pick who’s “stronger” between Khaled and top arm wrestlers, I would say that the top arm wrestlers table ability out performs Khaleds table ability by a farther margin than his grip strength out performs theirs. Which makes me lean more toward the “the elite arm wrestlers are stronger” opinion. I do that generalization so that grip guys don’t end up looking bad in a more tit for tat comparison to strength athletes from other sports.

 

had a long time friend show up to a grip comp recently that falls into a similar comparison. His overall strength is greater than 99% of grip guys by a larger margin than their grip strengths are greater than his. Making him the stronger guy.

 

im not saying having a world class grip means nothing. All I’m saying is “is your grip strength greater than someone else’s grip strength by a larger margin than his overall strength is of yours?” Is the most sound and fair way to compare who is “stronger”.

 

otherwise the conversation will end up looking something like “yeah well that guys squat, bench, deadlift, overhead press, strict curl, row strength are all stronger than mine... but I’m stronger because my grip is stronger.” Which practically no logical person would agree with..

 

however, the flip side to that coin is if your grip strength far exceeds another guys grip strength by a larger margin than any of his other strengths do yours, then YOU are the stronger guy.

...but unfortunately, rarely is that the case with grip guys.

An example of this would be Tanner vs me. Tanners grip strength out performs mine by a larger margin than any of my other lifts do his at this time. Even though my bench far exceeds his, I think, for example, his RT strength still tops mine by a greater percentage than my bench beats his by. Making him the “stronger” guy. Period.

Does that make sense?.. I feel it is the fairest measuring stick for determining who is “stronger” in a nutshell.

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Just now, Tommy J. said:

Interesting that there is even debate on how their grips compare.. I would think that’s sort of a non point. Khaleds grip will be stronger. As we all know though, Khaleds grip is way stronger than Levans and it meant zero on the arm wrestling table. If we are comparing Khaled to Vitaly, I’m far more interested in if Khaled can even get in a decent match with Vitaly on the table. As it should be the text book example of if a guy should or shouldn’t bother pursuing that level of grip when taking aim at being better on the table.

although, admittedly, I am interested in what all Vitaly can do in grip. More out of curiosity than anything else. We’ve seen it demonstrated many times now though that what makes a great arm wrestler isn’t dependent on his or her level of elite (or not) grip. Is grip strength relative in Armwrestling?.. I think so. But only to a point.  I’m fairly certain even I can hang with or beat nearly any top puller on grip in a well rounded grip comp. but those same guys will flatten and possibly even injure me on the table.

 

I know Khaled is a friend of yours. And I also recognize his world class grip strength as something truly rare. But if I were to pick who’s “stronger” between Khaled and top arm wrestlers, I would say that the top arm wrestlers table ability out performs Khaleds table ability by a farther margin than his grip strength out performs theirs. Which makes me lean more toward the “the elite arm wrestlers are stronger” opinion. I do that generalization so that grip guys don’t end up looking bad in a more tit for tat comparison to strength athletes from other sports.

 

had a long time friend show up to a grip comp recently that falls into a similar comparison. His overall strength is greater than 99% of grip guys by a larger margin than their grip strengths are greater than his. Making him the stronger guy.

 

im not saying having a world class grip means nothing. All I’m saying is “is your grip strength greater than someone else’s grip strength by a larger margin than his overall strength is of yours?” Is the most sound and fair way to compare who is “stronger”.

 

otherwise the conversation will end up looking something like “yeah well that guys squat, bench, deadlift, overhead press, strict curl, row strength are all stronger than mine... but I’m stronger because my grip is stronger.” Which practically no logical person would agree with..

 

however, the flip side to that coin is if your grip strength far exceeds another guys grip strength by a larger margin than any of his other strengths do yours, then YOU are the stronger guy.

...but unfortunately, rarely is that the case with grip guys.

An example of this would be Tanner vs me. Tanners grip strength out performs mine by a larger margin than any of my other lifts do his at this time. Even though my bench far exceeds his, I think, for example, his RT strength still tops mine by a greater percentage than my bench beats his by. Making him the “stronger” guy. Period.

Does that make sense?.. I feel it is the fairest measuring stick for determining who is “stronger” in a nutshell.

Lol... did I get a bit off topic here?.. oh well.

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2 hours ago, Tommy J. said:

Lol... did I get a bit off topic here?.. oh well.

Here’s an off topic: why do they use a set block in competition to make grippers “fair” for all hand sizes, but don’t use that concept for thick bar? 
 

if you have a 7 1/2” hand why are you asked to use the same thickness as the 8” + handed guy? 

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1 hour ago, slazbob said:

Here’s an off topic: why do they use a set block in competition to make grippers “fair” for all hand sizes, but don’t use that concept for thick bar? 
 

if you have a 7 1/2” hand why are you asked to use the same thickness as the 8” + handed guy? 

I always thought the setting block was used because a parallel set is difficult to judge while passing a block through the handles is objective.

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6 hours ago, slazbob said:


 

if you have a 7 1/2” hand why are you asked to use the same thickness as the 8” + handed guy? 

Agree completely here. Every since I’ve been made aware of Roark’s “fair bar” sentiments, I’ve been on board with it.

The process can’t be perfect.. but I suppose having a few different size rolling handles and or axles in 1/4” size increments could be a straightforward way to even things up. 🤷🏼‍♂️
maybe instead of hand measurements just simply state a rule that there needs to be “x” (or reasonably close to it) amount of space between tip of thumb and tip of longest finger when wrapped around bar on each and every person. And have the lifter stick to the rolling handle or axle size that accomplishes the desired “x” spacing for the duration of the thickbar event. Maybe even paint them different colors so there is no confusion. IMO it is the only true way to compare thickbar ability. Even better than weight classes to be honest.

some might be reading this thinking “ugh... that would take forever!”... but that could easily be swatted down by saying “no. Actually we could run multiple platforms at one time that way. So it would actually speed a thickbar event up.”

 

on the block set grippers I have no comments. Crush events are hard to judge, AND score.

side rant: I sort of do dig the SB event. But 100% disagree that a tenth of a second hold with a #4 beats a 20-30 second hold with a 3.5, or a 59 second hold with a #3. Although, admittedly, I can’t offer any solutions to scoring that better. Aside forcing everyone to use a #4 for the event. And simply saying “sorry. If you can’t SB with a #4 then you take a no lift for that event.”

which is a pretty savage way to keep scoring for that event easy.. but it’s the only way i can think of that it can be bullshit proof.

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7 hours ago, slazbob said:

Here’s an off topic: why do they use a set block in competition to make grippers “fair” for all hand sizes, but don’t use that concept for thick bar? 
 

if you have a 7 1/2” hand why are you asked to use the same thickness as the 8” + handed guy? 

You arnt taking in to account hand width, it's probably the biggest factor for a 20mm block close. Closer you are to the end of the handles, the more leverage you have. Big handed dude spread out over the whole handle has way less power transfer, think ironmind testing of #4 at 365lb with strap in middle of handle, where as rgc 210-215lb at the end of the handle, it requires far less force to close. Of course ccs and no set going to typically go in favour of bigger hand. Also got to factor in with thickbar etc that there are other events that are better for smaller hands too and a good well rounded contest will account for that.

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29 minutes ago, Tommy J. said:

Agree completely here. Every since I’ve been made aware of Roark’s “fair bar” sentiments, I’ve been on board with it.

The process can’t be perfect.. but I suppose having a few different size rolling handles and or axles in 1/4” size increments could be a straightforward way to even things up. 🤷🏼‍♂️
maybe instead of hand measurements just simply state a rule that there needs to be “x” (or reasonably close to it) amount of space between tip of thumb and tip of longest finger when wrapped around bar on each and every person. And have the lifter stick to the rolling handle or axle size that accomplishes the desired “x” spacing for the duration of the thickbar event. Maybe even paint them different colors so there is no confusion. IMO it is the only true way to compare thickbar ability. Even better than weight classes to be honest.

some might be reading this thinking “ugh... that would take forever!”... but that could easily be swatted down by saying “no. Actually we could run multiple platforms at one time that way. So it would actually speed a thickbar event up.”

 

on the block set grippers I have no comments. Crush events are hard to judge, AND score.

side rant: I sort of do dig the SB event. But 100% disagree that a tenth of a second hold with a #4 beats a 20-30 second hold with a 3.5, or a 59 second hold with a #3. Although, admittedly, I can’t offer any solutions to scoring that better. Aside forcing everyone to use a #4 for the event. And simply saying “sorry. If you can’t SB with a #4 then you take a no lift for that event.”

which is a pretty savage way to keep scoring for that event easy.. but it’s the only way i can think of that it can be bullshit proof.

Further, any guy who has smaller or less wrap could choose to compete with a fatter bar if they so chose. But what would be off limits in the fair bar circumstance is any guy competing with a bar that gives them more wrap than the guys who are sticking to their fair bar size.

basically, once the “x” gap is determined pre comp, you can still choose to go up a bar size, but NOT down a bar size. Because you’d only be cheating yourself by going up a size or two. Vs you’d be cheating everyone else if you went down a bar size.

it’s actually really easy and could easily be added to the sport with little confusion. Oh and I’m certain equipment manufacturers would love that change. 🤷🏼‍♂️ Because they could then sell more stuff.

 

Which leaves really only 1 big area of debate.. “how do you determine records standings if there are 10 different size bars everyone is using?”

simple. You just list it as an “axle”record, or a “revolving handle” record. No need to even state the bar size on a records list if it’s fair bar. Because it wouldn’t get you any extra brownie points or bragging rights if your bar was thicker. You’d simply be doing the same feat a guy with an equal amount of wrap on a smaller bar would be doing. 
Oh and I’m sure the GSI records site may love that one as well. 🤷🏼‍♂️ As it means they’d only have to input weight lifted under an “axle” category or “revolving handle” category.

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5 minutes ago, Paul Savage said:

You arnt taking in to account hand width, it's probably the biggest factor for a 20mm block close. Closer you are to the end of the handles, the more leverage you have. Big handed dude spread out over the whole handle has way less power transfer, think ironmind testing of #4 at 365lb with strap in middle of handle, where as rgc 210-215lb at the end of the handle, it requires far less force to close. Of course ccs and no set going to typically go in favour of bigger hand. Also got to factor in with thickbar etc that there are other events that are better for smaller hands too and a good well rounded will account for that.

I agree with the bold here as well. A smaller handed, but still strong guy can make up lost ground on more suited events than thickbar, etc. OR it can work against them!

 

I just saw a comp where tricky scoring put a guy in 5th place that should have been in 2nd place. The SB event killed him. The only guy to beat him on axle and RT was Tanner. And he literally tied pinch monster Adam glass on the Saxon. At his first comp, and without even having an idea of what he’d pull on a Saxon no less! He had never even trained pinch! I don’t necessarily think the reverse strongman scoring screwed him.. it was simply how the SB is scored, like I mentioned above. Basically, if he’d have got a tenth of a second hold with a #4 on the SB, he’d have been in 2nd place.

basically, it made a first time grip phenom look like he was barely stronger than guys like me who haven’t even trained grip seriously in years. When in reality he was WAY stronger than me. And WAY stronger than the guys in 4th and 3rd place.

when you’re strong enough to give a guy like ATG a run for his money at your first comp, you shouldn’t be getting bumped down 3 places because of an oddly scored event.

But how do we fix that?.. my only suggestion is forcing only a #4 for the SB event. And if you can’t get a hold, you get a no lift. Getting a 0 is at least is a better look for a strong guy than simply using a lighter gripper and basically getting Jack for points on the event.

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5 minutes ago, Tommy J. said:

I agree with the bold here as well. A smaller handed, but still strong guy can make up lost ground on more suited events than thickbar, etc. OR it can work against them!

 

I just saw a comp where tricky scoring put a guy in 5th place that should have been in 2nd place. The SB event killed him. The only guy to beat him on axle and RT was Tanner. And he literally tied pinch monster Adam glass on the Saxon. At his first comp, and without even having an idea of what he’d pull on a Saxon no less! He had never even trained pinch! I don’t necessarily think the reverse strongman scoring screwed him.. it was simply how the SB is scored, like I mentioned above. Basically, if he’d have got a tenth of a second hold with a #4 on the SB, he’d have been in 2nd place.

basically, it made a first time grip phenom look like he was barely stronger than guys like me who haven’t even trained grip seriously in years. When in reality he was WAY stronger than me. And WAY stronger than the guys in 4th and 3rd place.

when you’re strong enough to give a guy like ATG a run for his money at your first comp, you shouldn’t be getting bumped down 3 places because of an oddly scored event.

But how do we fix that?.. my only suggestion is forcing only a #4 for the SB event. And if you can’t get a hold, you get a no lift. Getting a 0 is at least is a better look for a strong guy than simply using a lighter gripper and basically getting Jack for points on the event.

Completely agree that this is a bs way to run a comp, should never favour one event over another like that. It's the same way the strongman games is being ran this year, you have to do a massive log fo reps first event that most are going to zero as it's way too heavy, will end up messing up the entire contests scoring. Simple answer, put a lighter option in to seperate the other athletes and the points, in silver bullets case, a #3.

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