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I saw this on FB and thought it worth sharing

Abdu Sharkawy
I'm a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist. I've been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis. I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria...there is little I haven't been exposed to in my profession. And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared.

I am not scared of Covid-19. I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil. I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge. But I am not scared of Covid-19.

What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating even more fear and suspicion of others. I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they " probably don't have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know..." and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia and strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess.

I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize. And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games...that could be kyboshed too. Can you even
imagine?

I'm scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession.

But mostly, I'm scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat. Instead of reason, rationality, openmindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested.

Covid-19 is nowhere near over. It will be coming to a city, a hospital, a friend, even a family member near you at some point. Expect it. Stop waiting to be surprised further. The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives. But our own behaviors and "fight for yourself above all else" attitude could prove disastrous.

I implore you all. Temper fear with reason, panic with patience and uncertainty with education. We have an opportunity to learn a great deal about health hygiene and limiting the spread of innumerable transmissible diseases in our society. Let's meet this challenge together in the best spirit of compassion for others, patience, and above all, an unfailing effort to seek truth, facts and knowledge as opposed to conjecture, speculation and catastrophizing.

Facts not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts.
Our children will thank us for it.

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nimar1994
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Well; I could agree with the fact that the virus is not the biggest problem itself; work on your hygiene and things will be ok..

But both as an Economist and as a guy living in South America; I have to say the impact of the virus here is very powerful. I guess some of you are already informed about the recent wave of protests and strikes that are taking in most south American countries. Political and economic instability has leaded to a significant reduction in both local and foreign investment (and due to free capital mobility, many investors have decided to move their dollars to other places); making the second one of the USD a more scarce currency, Since most of our consumption goods are imported and the dollar is more expensive the cost of life has increased.

The coronavirus effect makes things worse; with China's economic contraction, the demand for south american raw materials has decreased considerably, diminishing our stock of foreign currency way more (through income reduction in dollars). At the begining of 2019; one dollar equaled around 675 chilean peso... today it equals 840 CLP, just imagine how much it affects the cost of life... damn coronavirus it came in the worse moment....

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Tommy J.

It’s sort of odd to me that anyone believes the hysteria the media portrays that everyone has if I’m being honest. I mean I’ve pretty much taken it serious for the last couple weeks. Got close loved ones who may not be able to pull through (due to other medical complications) in the event it makes it into my house. However, everyone around me still does not take it very serious. And all of the people in their circles also do not. And every single social media post I see that farms hundreds or thousands of likes also does not. So I’m sort of wondering who is doing all the panicking the MSM keeps droning on about?

 

i do believe the MSM is actually trying so desperately to make everyone believe there is hysteria over it. For what reason is a mystery. I’m just wondering when the masses are going to acknowledge that the MSM is not you’re friend?

the only precautions I’m planning on taking are to simply not be out and about unless I have to be. Which could hardly be comparable to panicking.

besides, I’ve got plenty of home projects to not need to justify why I’m not going out. Still a ton of wood to chop from the cord I dropped last summer. Still some auto projects. Still a broken Harley to fix, again. Still some weights to lift. Still a fence to fix. Still some PlayStation to play. Still some bbq to smoke. And above all, family to enjoy some quiet with.

Sorry for the side rant. I did enjoy the post Chris.

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devinhoo
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Also seen on Facebook. I sure hope this outbreak is a wakeup call for some folks. It's not just about the virus.

 

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Disclaimer: I am a second year medical student

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Squeezus
1 hour ago, Tommy J. said:

Got close loved ones who may not be able to pull through (due to other medical complications) in the event it makes it into my house.

This is where I'm at. I am not about to put my people at risk before doctors have a handle on how to treat this thing. All the weird macho posturing I have seen elsewhere on the internet is so bizarre to me. No amount of physical strength or mental fortitude is going to keep a virus from filling up you or your loved ones lungs with fluid until you can't breathe anymore.

I'm making sure to keep my hands washed and away from my face when I'm in public, and staying away from air travel and large crowds. My life hasn't ground to a halt. Hell, my whole city is still mobilized in a recovery effort after getting nailed by a tornado last week. There might be some people freaking out about the virus in some places, but here, we are just trying to live our lives.

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Chez

You are definitely safe Chris. There is like 50 people tops in your town. 😆

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Climber028
21 minutes ago, Chez said:

You are definitely safe Chris. There is like 50 people tops in your town. 😆

Things are so delayed getting there he should be more worried about swine flu

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Anthony C.
4 hours ago, Squeezus said:

This is where I'm at. I am not about to put my people at risk before doctors have a handle on how to treat this thing. All the weird macho posturing I have seen elsewhere on the internet is so bizarre to me. No amount of physical strength or mental fortitude is going to keep a virus from filling up you or your loved ones lungs with fluid until you can't breathe anymore.

I'm making sure to keep my hands washed and away from my face when I'm in public, and staying away from air travel and large crowds. My life hasn't ground to a halt. Hell, my whole city is still mobilized in a recovery effort after getting nailed by a tornado last week. There might be some people freaking out about the virus in some places, but here, we are just trying to live our lives.

This is a good post.

I want to be as respectful as possible to others with my post about this. I’ve seen many of the grip folks downplaying the situation on social media, and many of them come from extremely small towns, rural states etc.

Things get a little trickier when you’re standing on a crowded subway train and everyone around you is coughing and sneezing, and people refuse to stay home from work because they won’t get paid if they do.

 

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KapMan
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Heart disease: 647,457

Cancer: 599,108

Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936

Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201

Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383

Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404

Diabetes: 83,564

Influenza and pneumonia: 55,672

Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,633

Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173

In this country yearly. Thats just about any age, and any condition of physical well being. No one is losing their ever loving minds over those depressive stats. Are they? Not to mention when any type of disease similar to this comes around the elderly and young and those with preexisting health issues as well as the homeless usually get the brunt. This is nothing new. Im one of them and I'm not really worried covid-19

At this rate I'm more likely to get trampled by a herd of unicorn alligators than die from something that i can seemingly prevent by practicing proper hygiene. I refuse to succumb to the MSM hysteria and the NWO tinfoil nonsense. Not to mention this highlights the absolute disgusting state of personal/public hygiene. We’ve all seen/heard people in the bathroom walk out without washing their hands, children with running noses and poop fingers touching everything, people spitting in milk , and rubbing their junk on bread. The depravity. Im honestly surprised it took this long for something like this to happen. 
 

 

 

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king crusher
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MSM loves sensationalism and feeds off ratings. Plain and simple. 

Also, there has been a global pandemic every election year,  take that anyway you want but it's true.

Here's a few stats on the flu....

Compare them with this new flavor of the week.

 

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Billy Jack
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I agree with some of all sides of this issue. I try to listen to health professionals, statistics and general logic. The media makes money by getting views and clicks and sensationalism draws this a lot easier than reporting the weekly church meeting minutes. However, this is a threat that needs to be taken seriously but not with so much panic that we turn into idiots. Yes, the flu can kill you, yes unicorn alligators could kill you, even a common cold can kill you under the wrong circumstances.  But, right now the AVERAGE person is more likely to have a severe health problem with this virus that we know so little about than the others for many reasons. The main reason the flu does not kill at a higher rate is because we have vaccines that can either keep us from getting the virus or lessens it's symptoms when you do get it. We do not yet have a proven vaccine that helps us with this current coronavirus. 

As far as personal hygiene and hand-washing, I can only control what I do myself. I have two young children under eight who go to school and then come home. They could possibly bring this virus into my home without any fault of theirs or my own. So, that has to be taken into account as well. Schools simply cannot control who washes their hands and how many times a day it happens or whether or not a six year old touches their face and then another child. The same can be said about some folk's workplace.

The main thing that concerns me currently is that my state has yet to confirm any cases. Does that seem right given our transportation habits today? So, more than likely, there are people I come in contact with everyday who may not know they have the virus and are unknowingly spreading it to others because they don't know, don't believe the facts or simply don't give a shit about what the CDC, WHO, state health dept.,etc. are advising us. You may not have any problems with the virus and that would be great, but your friends grandmother who is 85 and on dialysis has a right to be concerned. These people depend on all of us to use common sense and listen to the facts. 

Just make logical decisions based on what health professionals have advised. They do this for a living and want people to be healthy. They could care less about the election or politics when it comes to things like this. This also makes me think to remind everyone that it is no surprise that this is happening and will continue to happen in the future. Most people think that a natural disaster, unnatural disaster, Jesus returning, etc. may wipe out our species. However, hundreds of years of statistics show that it will, with a high probability, eventually be a bacteria or a virus that will wipe us out. They have many more years of practice on us. 

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climber511

Our local school district just put out a notice that they are and will be following the advice of the local - state and federal departments of health etc.  There are no confirmed cases anywhere near us so far so I agree completely with this line of thinking.

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Climber028

My updated thoughts are that we have now passed the point of plausible containment, this will spread everywhere and cripple our hospitals. I don't actually have any worries about the virus itself but I am concerned about supply chain issues and unrelated medical problems that could happen and not get triaged properly due to the massive backlog of people that will need to be ventilated. We have less than 3 hospital beds per 1000 people in america was is lower than most developed countries, we also ha e just over 1000,000 ventilators and it's not like we can poof some out of thin air in a week. Glad to have a home gym so gains won't be interrupted which of course is the highest priority. 

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Tommy J.
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5 hours ago, Billy Jack said:

I agree with some of all sides of this issue. I try to listen to health professionals, statistics and general logic. The media makes money by getting views and clicks and sensationalism draws this a lot easier than reporting the weekly church meeting minutes. However, this is a threat that needs to be taken seriously but not with so much panic that we turn into idiots. Yes, the flu can kill you, yes unicorn alligators could kill you, even a common cold can kill you under the wrong circumstances.  But, right now the AVERAGE person is more likely to have a severe health problem with this virus that we know so little about than the others for many reasons. The main reason the flu does not kill at a higher rate is because we have vaccines that can either keep us from getting the virus or lessens it's symptoms when you do get it. We do not yet have a proven vaccine that helps us with this current coronavirus. 

As far as personal hygiene and hand-washing, I can only control what I do myself. I have two young children under eight who go to school and then come home. They could possibly bring this virus into my home without any fault of theirs or my own. So, that has to be taken into account as well. Schools simply cannot control who washes their hands and how many times a day it happens or whether or not a six year old touches their face and then another child. The same can be said about some folk's workplace.

The main thing that concerns me currently is that my state has yet to confirm any cases. Does that seem right given our transportation habits today? So, more than likely, there are people I come in contact with everyday who may not know they have the virus and are unknowingly spreading it to others because they don't know, don't believe the facts or simply don't give a shit about what the CDC, WHO, state health dept.,etc. are advising us. You may not have any problems with the virus and that would be great, but your friends grandmother who is 85 and on dialysis has a right to be concerned. These people depend on all of us to use common sense and listen to the facts. 

Just make logical decisions based on what health professionals have advised. They do this for a living and want people to be healthy. They could care less about the election or politics when it comes to things like this. This also makes me think to remind everyone that it is no surprise that this is happening and will continue to happen in the future. Most people think that a natural disaster, unnatural disaster, Jesus returning, etc. may wipe out our species. However, hundreds of years of statistics show that it will, with a high probability, eventually be a bacteria or a virus that will wipe us out. They have many more years of practice on us. 

Yep. Agreed. There ain’t gonna be some big glamorous war to fight amongst men. Where only the “strong” or “chosen” shall prevail.

More likely what will be the scenario is that as we lay Ill, unable to fight back, some beta is gonna just stroll up and take your crap before you succumb to whatever pathogen took hold.

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Lucasraymond
11 hours ago, Climber028 said:

My updated thoughts are that we have now passed the point of plausible containment, this will spread everywhere and cripple our hospitals. I don't actually have any worries about the virus itself but I am concerned about supply chain issues and unrelated medical problems that could happen and not get triaged properly due to the massive backlog of people that will need to be ventilated. We have less than 3 hospital beds per 1000 people in america was is lower than most developed countries, we also ha e just over 1000,000 ventilators and it's not like we can poof some out of thin air in a week. Glad to have a home gym so gains won't be interrupted which of course is the highest priority. 

This is the problem that Italy is seeing right now...not enough beds for people that need critical care. Cancelling all of the large events is to slow the spread down so that our healthcare system can handle the load. People posting about the flu and other stuff need to understand it is a new strain that no one is immune to and you are contagious prior to having symptoms. The deaths from it are a small part of the problem, everything closing it will effect a lot of people and businesses financially and leading to bankruptcy in some situations (which is the case with the Arnold Classic). It is a multi-faceted issue that is being dealt by most as a just the death rate and comparing to the flu when it is so much more complicated than that. People need to take it serious but with thought and not fear and panic. 

As others explained do what you need to be as healthy as possible and if you are immunocompromised avoid crowds for the next 3-6 months as this slowly (hopefully) spreads across the world. 

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Lucasraymond
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15 hours ago, king crusher said:

MSM loves sensationalism and feeds off ratings. Plain and simple. 

Also, there has been a global pandemic every election year,  take that anyway you want but it's true.

Here's a few stats on the flu....

Compare them with this new flavor of the week.

 

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Every virus and bacteria are different as to the type and level of contagiousness, others were much more deadly but weren't nearly as contagious. I'd recommend learning the virological and bacteriological aspects of all the different pandemics that have occurred and then reason out why each of them could be stopped or not stopped at the level they were. 

 

COVID-19 is contagious up to 2 weeks prior to showing symptoms or just being a carrier with minimal symptoms so people are possibly spreading it to 100's if not 1000's of people they come in contact with during those periods and then they spread it to other people, etc.  There is no containing it, only slowing it down unfortunately. 

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Climber028

The tricky thing about exponential growth is that everything looks just fine until one day it isn't

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Mike Rinderle
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I always have enough stuff to hunker down for 6 months and way more than enough ammo to make sure nobody takes it.  I would never look to government to take care of me in an emergency because, to be honest, they suck at everything.  I haven't deployed the M18A1s yet, but I usually don't put those out and about until the zombies start calling for brains.  :laugh

It's going to disrupt our lives.  Odds are, you will get it.  Slowing down the rate of infection is the most important aspect of pandemic mitigation, as it allows the hospitals to handle the load.  If the hospitals get overrun like in Wuhan and now Italy, it isn't just Chinese Bat AIDS that will kill you.  Don't have a serious car accident, heart attack, stroke, etc. or you will be chit out of luck.  No room in the inn. :calm

 

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Mike Rinderle
On ‎3‎/‎10‎/‎2020 at 6:51 PM, KapMan said:

Heart disease: 647,457

Cancer: 599,108

Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936

Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201

Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383

Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404

Diabetes: 83,564

Influenza and pneumonia: 55,672

Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,633

Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173

In this country yearly. Thats just about any age, and any condition of physical well being. No one is losing their ever loving minds over those depressive stats. Are they? Not to mention when any type of disease similar to this comes around the elderly and young and those with preexisting health issues as well as the homeless usually get the brunt. This is nothing new. Im one of them and I'm not really worried covid-19

At this rate I'm more likely to get trampled by a herd of unicorn alligators than die from something that i can seemingly prevent by practicing proper hygiene. I refuse to succumb to the MSM hysteria and the NWO tinfoil nonsense. Not to mention this highlights the absolute disgusting state of personal/public hygiene. We’ve all seen/heard people in the bathroom walk out without washing their hands, children with running noses and poop fingers touching everything, people spitting in milk , and rubbing their junk on bread. The depravity. Im honestly surprised it took this long for something like this to happen. 
 

 

 

You left out #3:  250,000 deaths from medical error every year in the US.

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Ricochet

And another big one...

Homicide: ~401,500 per year

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Tommy J.
9 minutes ago, Ricochet said:

And another big one...

Homicide: ~401,500 per year

Holy cow!.. your kidding?... in the USA?..👀 

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Climber028
6 minutes ago, Tommy J. said:

Holy cow!.. your kidding?... in the USA?..👀 

Just in Chicago alone. Not really, that's actually the stat for the entire world. 

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Tommy J.
5 minutes ago, Climber028 said:

Just in Chicago alone. Not really, that's actually the stat for the entire world. 

Lol to the bold!

not gonna lie tho... still shocked that even world wide it’s that many!

so between medical malpractice, and homicides, man kind is the biggest threat statistically to man kind... 😳 ....in the world!

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Climber028
2 hours ago, Tommy J. said:

Lol to the bold!

not gonna lie tho... still shocked that even world wide it’s that many!

so between medical malpractice, and homicides, man kind is the biggest threat statistically to man kind... 😳 ....in the world!

Yea that's almost always true. I mean even viruses don't actually get us, it's just from you being near other people. Earthquakes can't hurt you, but we build stupid buildings that collapse and kill everybody involved. We're our own worst enemy. 

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Tommy J.

Just wanted to give a quick update of positivity on this..

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This thing is said mostly to be deadly to our elders. And Dallas just successfully handled its first confirmed case, of which happened to be a 77 yo male. Way to go Dallas! And kudos to our medical peeps!

obviously this thing is still new. And will likely be a thorn in our side a while. But reports like the one above should hopefully help ease some panic, if any. If you guys would, since the thread is already a thing here, please post updates like this as you see them. Maybe if we continue to spread positivity, as well as stay vigilant, this thing will go as quick as it came.

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