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KapMan
2 hours ago, Mike Rinderle said:

It's a philosophy that has kept me humble over the last 52 years.  If I can do something, there are probably  thousands of people out there that could do it given the chance and time to train for it.

I break feats down into 4 categories:

Attainable by most healthy males with some specific effort: Pinching 2-25s, closing a #2, 300# on an axle, 40 lb blob, 200 on a 2" vbar, etc.

What I call gateway lifts = Something extremely hard to attain for most people and once you have, you can be considered a serious gripsport playa.  Feats like a #3 close, pinching two 45s, blob 50, plain reg #3 shoe, Red Nail bend, > 200# on a new RT, 3 25s pinch, lifting the Inch for a single.

World Class = something only the top 25 people or so in the world can do. Feats like Blobzilla, Pinching a 25KG and 45 lb plate, Lifting the 200# Inch or lifting the Inch for multiple reps, pinching York deep dish 45s, etc.

Elite = something only the top few people in the world can do.  Blob Father, cleaing Blobzilla or the Inch, Kerckhaert DF front clipped 10x25 Extra #3, two 25kg plate pinch, pinching deep dish York 45s in each hand, Millenium Dumbbell lift, closing a #4, etc. 

 

Those are just some examples.  But that's how I look at grip feats.  The lists are always changing.  A lot of the stuff on the Gateway lift list was considered world class 10 - 15 years ago.  If we are ever successful at getting a bunch of monsters like Shaw to compete, then a lot of the world class and elite feats will drop down the list quickly. 

 

But my original definition still stands.  If a part time strength enthusiast like me can do something at almost 52 years old, it is definitely not world class.  It can't be.  There are millions of people stronger than me on the planet and I guarantee there are thousands and thousands with a stronger grip.  So by definition, if I can do it, it ain't world class.  That doesn't mean it isn't a great feat and super hard to attain.  But I promise you, after the blender I've put this body through there isn't a world class feat in it at my age.  Other than horseshoes, there probably never was.  And I got humbled by Bergmann pretty quick on the shoes when a real world class strength athlete took up the sport for a few months.

1) we will never get athletes like shaw in grip. Theres no prestige or payout in it. If anything gripsport is a means to an end. When folk need that extra something for arm wrestling or strongman and vice versa. 

2) we gotta stop this bullshit hypothetical statistics crap. We cant accurately judge anything beyond what we know. We dont know the strength or potential strength of 7 billion people. We also gotta stop comparing ourselves  to regular people. Thats like comparing elite special forces personnel to regular units. You can and should quantify your abilities based on those who do what you do. Not the barista at starbucks or 4x wsm. How many people compete in gripsport and armlifting? Those are the numbers we can accurately compare to. As well as the lists here. This is ironic considering the absolute ear chewing you gave me about comparing myself to this guy or that guy. Yet here we are. 
 

3) By your definition my nearly 100lb KB bottoms up or the fact some of us (by some I mean Joe and I) can TNS 150+ grippers is world class, elite or whatever category you wanna settle on? That makes no sense to me. Im complete and utter shit. You are telling me because I can manage  what I can because no one else gives a shit Im somehow elevated in status? That because Jedd or Eric or Tanner dont do the shit I do I somehow measure up? 
 

nah bro. 

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Joseph Sullivan
3 minutes ago, KapMan said:

1) we will never get athletes like shaw in grip. Theres no prestige or payout in it. If anything gripsport is a means to an end. When folk need that extra something for arm wrestling or strongman and vice versa. 

2) we gotta stop this bullshit hypothetical statistics crap. We cant accurately judge anything beyond what we know. We dont know the strength or potential strength of 7 billion people. We also gotta stop comparing ourselves  to regular people. Thats like comparing elite special forces personnel to regular units. You can and should quantify your abilities based on those who do what you do. Not the barista at starbucks or 4x wsm. How many people compete in gripsport and armlifting? Those are the numbers we can accurately compare to. As well as the lists here. This is ironic considering the absolute ear chewing you gave me about comparing myself to this guy or that guy. Yet here we are. 
 

3) By your definition my nearly 100lb KB bottoms up or the fact some of us (by some I mean Joe and I) can TNS 150+ grippers is world class, elite or whatever category you wanna settle on? That makes no sense to me. Im complete and utter shit. You are telling me because I can manage  what I can because no one else gives a shit Im somehow elevated in status? That because Jedd or Eric or Tanner dont do the shit I do I somehow measure up? 
 

nah bro. 

That barista at star bucks cranked on that lever pretty hard the last time I was there, don’t rule her out , she may be a contender! ️ 

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KapMan
Just now, Joseph Sullivan said:

That barista at star bucks cranked on that lever pretty hard the last time I was there, don’t rule her out , she may be a contender! ️ 

She writes GAINZ on every cup. 

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Buccos1
15 minutes ago, KapMan said:

3) By your definition my nearly 100lb KB bottoms up or the fact some of us (by some I mean Joe and I) can TNS 150+ grippers is world class, elite or whatever category you wanna settle on? That makes no sense to me. Im complete and utter shit. You are telling me because I can manage  what I can because no one else gives a shit Im somehow elevated in status? That because Jedd or Eric or Tanner dont do the shit I do I somehow measure up? 
 

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1 minute ago, Buccos1 said:

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Tone these posts down or it will get locked.

Really my guy. 
 

we going to play this game? Im Beginning to get really tired of this garbage. 

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Aleksandar Milosevic

The problem with Inch lifts is this, of course in my opinion: the bigger your hand, lesser the feat. 

Grippers to me are a lot fairer, people with hands big, small or average struggle the same, there isn't such a big game changer for gripper strength.

I know a couple of people that would lift the Inch 1st try, and never trained their grip ever. I've had a dude who literally upright rowed 62.5 kg on RT for 20+ reps on his first try, since he was a manual worker with big hands. I'll just say that on grippers and pinch the results were very, very different.

Thick bar lifts in general are respectable only when they really test OPEN HAND strength. What's thick bar for me, isn't thick bar for someone else.

 

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Mike Rinderle
28 minutes ago, KapMan said:

1) we will never get athletes like shaw in grip. Theres no prestige or payout in it. If anything gripsport is a means to an end. When folk need that extra something for arm wrestling or strongman and vice versa. 

2) we gotta stop this bullshit hypothetical statistics crap. We cant accurately judge anything beyond what we know. We dont know the strength or potential strength of 7 billion people. We also gotta stop comparing ourselves  to regular people. Thats like comparing elite special forces personnel to regular units. You can and should quantify your abilities based on those who do what you do. Not the barista at starbucks or 4x wsm. How many people compete in gripsport and armlifting? Those are the numbers we can accurately compare to. As well as the lists here. This is ironic considering the absolute ear chewing you gave me about comparing myself to this guy or that guy. Yet here we are. 
 

3) By your definition my nearly 100lb KB bottoms up or the fact some of us (by some I mean Joe and I) can TNS 150+ grippers is world class, elite or whatever category you wanna settle on? That makes no sense to me. Im complete and utter shit. You are telling me because I can manage  what I can because no one else gives a shit Im somehow elevated in status? That because Jedd or Eric or Tanner dont do the shit I do I somehow measure up? 
 

nah bro. 

Ok, obviously you're going to twist whatever I say.  So blank you on that. If we could all find something nobody else is doing, then we'd be #1.  Lol

I'm talking about feats people actually recognize and give a crap about.  That's why I gave examples.  But whatever.   If more than 25 people in the world can do what is done, it isn't world class.  Period.  Dream all you want.

And the current world's strongest man competes regularly in grip comps.  So, once again... you are wrong.

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Joseph Sullivan
6 minutes ago, Aleksandar Milosevic said:

The problem with Inch lifts is this, of course in my opinion: the bigger your hand, lesser the feat. 

Grippers to me are a lot fairer, people with hands big, small or average struggle the same, there isn't such a big game changer for gripper strength.

I know a couple of people that would lift the Inch 1st try, and never trained their grip ever. I've had a dude who literally upright rowed 62.5 kg on RT for 20+ reps on his first try, since he was a manual worker with big hands. I'll just say that on grippers and pinch the results were very, very different.

Thick bar lifts in general are respectable only when they really test OPEN HAND strength. What's thick bar for me, isn't thick bar for someone else.

 

I agree. A person with huge hands lifting the inch doesn’t impress me if there’s no or barely any space between the fingers and the thumb. The further the space between your fingers and thumbs, now that’s impressive.

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Mike Rinderle

I'm the greatest.  And I'm out.  Like all the way out.  This board has become a joke.

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Fist of Fury

The way I see it when it comes to Inch db lifts is that there's many different lifts you can do with it. I would not consider all types of lifts to be world class or elite but some lifts would certainly be very elite.

Lifting the inch with a tilt, more or less would not be elite by my standards, it would be impressive but not world class or elite in my book.
Lifting the inch 100% level with 100% control, bell not moving at all, I would consider that to be world class, if not world class at least close to it.
Rowing the inch 100% strict with no tilt, I would certainly see that as world class.
High pull with the inch to chest height, world class as well.
Cleaning the inch, that's elite as far as I see it.
Snatching the inch, nobody has done it, so that would be 100% elite.

Small or big hands doesn't change anything, the only thing it changes is how impressive the feat is.

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Joseph Sullivan
5 minutes ago, Fist of Fury said:

The way I see it when it comes to Inch db lifts is that there's many different lifts you can do with it. I would not consider all types of lifts to be world class or elite but some lifts would certainly be very elite.

Lifting the inch with a tilt, more or less would not be elite by my standards, it would be impressive but not world class or elite in my book.
Lifting the inch 100% level with 100% control, bell not moving at all, I would consider that to be world class, if not world class at least close to it.
Rowing the inch 100% strict with no titls, I would certainly see that as world class.
Hig pull with the inch to chest height, world class as well.
Cleaning the inch, that's elite as far as I see it.
Snatching the inch, nobody has done it, so that would be 100% elite.

Small or big hands doesn't change anything, the only thing it changes is how impressive the feat is.

Big hands absolutely changes things. If your fingers touch, or wrap, and you have the body strength to lift 172, then it becomes more like just lifting a regular dumbbell. The bigger the hand definitely had the advantage, for the most part, unless you have someone like Yves Gravelle or the likes. For anyone to say otherwise is false. There are exceptions to every rule, but for the most part, hand size reigns supreme in thick bar of any kind. More wrap more slap!

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Aleksandar Milosevic
2 minutes ago, Fist of Fury said:

The way I see it when it comes to Inch db lifts is that there's many different lifts you can do with it. I would not consider all types of lifts to be world class or elite but some lifts would certainly be very elite.

Lifting the inch with a tilt, more or less would not be elite by my standards, it would be impressive but not world class or elite in my book.
Lifting the inch 100% level with 100% control, bell not moving at all, I would consider that to be world class, if not world class at least close to it.
Rowing the inch 100% strict with no tilt, I would certainly see that as world class.
High pull with the inch to chest height, world class as well.
Cleaning the inch, that's elite as far as I see it.
Snatching the inch, nobody has done it, so that would be 100% elite.

Small or big hands doesn't change anything, the only thing it changes is how impressive the feat is.

No, it completely changes the whole thing 100%. The bigger your hands is, the more mechanical advantage you have, the less it counts as a open hand lift, and takes less strength to achieve.

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Joseph Sullivan

100% truth on the mechanical advantage! That cannot be overlooked! It is huge.

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Fist of Fury
2 minutes ago, Joseph Sullivan said:

Big hands absolutely changes things. If your fingers touch, or wrap, then if becomes more like just lifting a regular dumbbell. The bigger the hand definitely had the advantage, for the most part, unless you have someone like Yves Gravelle or the likes. For anyone to say otherwise is false. There are exceptions to every rule, but for the most part, hand size reigns supreme in thick bar of any kind. More wrap more slap!

 

2 minutes ago, Aleksandar Milosevic said:

No, it completely changes the whole thing 100%. The bigger your hands is, the more mechanical advantage you have, the less it counts as a open hand lift, and takes less strength to achieve.

Both of you are missing the point. It does not change anything. However if you have less to work with it can be viewed as more impressive. Exactly like I wrote.

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Aleksandar Milosevic
Just now, Fist of Fury said:

 

Both of you are missing the point. It does not change anything. However if you have less to work with it can be viewed as more impressive. Exactly like I wrote.

That's like saying being paraplegic doesn't change the dynamics of bench press, but only makes it more impressive. It both changes it AND makes it more impressive.

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Fist of Fury
2 minutes ago, Aleksandar Milosevic said:

That's like saying being paraplegic doesn't change the dynamics of bench press, but only makes it more impressive. It both changes it AND makes it more impressive.

It doesn't. We're talking about what is world class or elite here. You're missing the point completely dude.

If people are winning the world championship in bench press at certain numbers you have to be close to these number in order to be considered a world class lifer yourself. It doesn't matter what genes you have.

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Joseph Sullivan
4 minutes ago, Fist of Fury said:

 

Both of you are missing the point. It does not change anything. However if you have less to work with it can be viewed as more impressive. Exactly like I wrote.

Ok ,I see at the end there you said it about being more or less impressive with what you have to work with! 👍

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WestSlope
2 hours ago, Mike Rinderle said:

I'm the greatest.  And I'm out.  Like all the way out.  This board has become a joke.

Well hell...

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dean_redzic
12 hours ago, Joseph Sullivan said:

Big hands absolutely changes things. If your fingers touch, or wrap, and you have the body strength to lift 172, then it becomes more like just lifting a regular dumbbell. The bigger the hand definitely had the advantage, for the most part, unless you have someone like Yves Gravelle or the likes. For anyone to say otherwise is false. There are exceptions to every rule, but for the most part, hand size reigns supreme in thick bar of any kind. More wrap more slap!

So instead of weight divisions you could have hand size divisions! 

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Hopefully

I understand what Emil is saying. It would be a little bit unfair to diminsh a feat because of favorable genetic attributes. That's what it's all about anyway. 

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Fist of Fury
5 hours ago, dean_redzic said:

So instead of weight divisions you could have hand size divisions! 

It has been discussed many times here. The problem with that, as I see it is how would you determine which class you should be in? How would you measure the hand, it's not only about how long your hand is, from the wrist to the finger tip, it's also about the proportions of the hand, how long your the fingers are compared to the palm etc. How wide is the fingerspan between thumb and pinky, thumb and index etc.

Also, I think we need a lot more data on competitiors, their results and hand size before we can figure out how it should work. It's an interesting idea but to be honest it can also be solved just by having a wide range of different events that favours both large and small hands.

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Joseph Sullivan
5 hours ago, dean_redzic said:

So instead of weight divisions you could have hand size divisions! 

This has been spoken about before. The hand size is much more of a factor with inch type and blob type lifts . Of course there are anomalies.... but for the most part, there aren’t.

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Joseph Sullivan
3 hours ago, Hopefully said:

I understand what Emil is saying. It would be a little bit unfair to diminsh a feat because of favorable genetic attributes. That's what it's all about anyway. 

It is what it is, 8.5- 9 inch hand will trump 7.5 inch hand any day of the week. Hand size is much more of a factor for the most part  than weight for hand size dependent feats. 

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SeNoLD
3 hours ago, Joseph Sullivan said:

It is what it is, 8.5- 9 inch hand will trump 7.5 inch hand any day of the week. Hand size is much more of a factor for the most part than weight for hand size dependent feats.

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