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Goran Paulinič

Do you have GHP 5? I have success with it. I managed to do mms one rep with both hands with it yesterday. It is a huge jump from #2 to #2.5 at least for me. GHP 5 is between. I am still struggling with #2.5.

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I think you need some chalk, if you look at your set in the video the palm handle slides back a good amount from your sweet spot just before you squeeze. Try to really push it down in the hand with your thumb so it doesn't slide. 

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1 hour ago, Hopefully said:

I think you need some chalk, if you look at your set in the video the palm handle slides back a good amount from your sweet spot just before you squeeze. Try to really push it down in the hand with your thumb so it doesn't slide. 

Yea. The higher the handle in palm the steeper is angle between palm and finger handles. And right there is the answer for dispute between "it is just a matter of strength" and us poor "little hand guys." Large hand guys hit the spot much easyer. We need grippers with smaller ROM. But it is just watter under the bridge for meatheads. :) If we manage to equalize conditions for all we will get bigger numbers squeezed with smaller ROM but it doesn't matter because there will be an upper limit. We can produce harder springs anytime.

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3 hours ago, Goran Paulinič said:

Do you have GHP 5? I have success with it. I managed to do mms one rep with both hands with it yesterday. It is a huge jump from #2 to #2.5 at least for me. GHP 5 is between. I am still struggling with #2.5.

No I didn't  get a GHP 5, it seemed like it would be too close to the stiffer CoC #2, so I just decided to start filing the #2

2 hours ago, Hopefully said:

I think you need some chalk, if you look at your set in the video the palm handle slides back a good amount from your sweet spot just before you squeeze. Try to really push it down in the hand with your thumb so it doesn't slide. 

I do have a light dusting of chalk, it's climbers chalk that comes in a ball/bag (ballbag??) but I can't seem to get much of a coating from it. It just sort of blows away if you try to rub it in and get a decent coating of it.

I noticed that it had slipped too when I watched the video. I was doing TNS's with lighter grippers for a few days (I rested a day before I did that session) before I tried that, so I was a bit lazy on the set but you're right I'll try to get set a bit better next time.

Thanks for the advice guys!

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Yeah, well, I don't care much. 

Being pissed off about stuff takes away too much energy you could use on things that makes you feel good instead. And if someone doesn't have the perspective to see that it is harder for guys with smaller hands as you say, then that's on them. Let them be ignorant then. The vast majority of people seem to have a hard time changing their way of thought wether proven wrong or not. So just let it be. To be honest that also applies to you. Things are what they are, instead of being pissed about it try changing your way of thought into something that makes you feel good instead. 

I dont necessarily agree about less rom if I could choose, but smaller diameter on the handles would make a big difference. Around 17-17.5mm instead of 19mm would be perfect for me. But since it's nigh impossible to get a hold of spring steel in the right dimensions and noone does custom from scratch afaik it's difficult

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And since certs are done on standard dia it's pointless in that regard as well.. 

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Goran Paulinič

Maybe one day mentality will change. It is ok. Mashmonster challenge is fair. I won't bother anymore and pissing about Coc CCS. It is pointless. You're right.

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Yeah CCSinng a #3 will be a tough ask for me but I'm not thinking about that until I hit a few other targets first.

Like Jordan Peterson said, if you set the bar low enough, you have a better chance of success.

So it's mini goals for me, If the #3 cert looks possible after I hit a few other marks, I think about the CCS when I get to it.

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I burnt the candle at both ends over the weekend, I went to a few BBQ's and drank way too much. So I woke up this morning feeling like ten pounds of crap in a five pound bag. It took me ages to get fired up and even then I wasn't firing on all cylinders.

I warmed up and did a few sets of four with a filed #2, a few missed attempts on # 2.5 and a GHP6 and then just laddered back down with TNS's on the grippers.

3x3 rolling handle pullups, , 2x6 vertical handle pullups, 4x18 bodyweight squats, 4x18 pushups, 5x3 Holle dumbbell.rows.

I almost gave up quite early because I was feeling so weak but I felt OK by the end. So I certainly didn't make any gains today but hopefully I did enough to not go backwards too much.

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I had a play with the grippers again today. I've been using negatives with heavier grippers to try and work through the sticking point on the #2.5 and I think it's working. I didn't pickle my liver over the weekend, so I felt a lot stronger than I did last week but still can't quite close the #2.5.

Then I did no set closes with the GHP 4 and laddered down as my grip went off.

I also do 60 pushups, 18 pullups 60 bodyweight squats and then I played with a Holle dumbbell until my thumb was fatigued.

 

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Goran Paulinič

It is strange...this grip thing. I was struggling with GHP 5 for weeks and have had a weak feeling overall in forearms. It was frustrating and I often thought to quit everything because there was no improvement on #2.5. But then suddenly over the night literary things changed and begun to squeeze GHP 5 with relative ease and no fear of tearing something in my arm. Forearm adaptation is a big mistery. :)

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1 hour ago, Goran Paulinič said:

It is strange...this grip thing. I was struggling with GHP 5 for weeks and have had a weak feeling overall in forearms. It was frustrating and I often thought to quit everything because there was no improvement on #2.5. But then suddenly over the night literary things changed and begun to squeeze GHP 5 with relative ease and no fear of tearing something in my arm. Forearm adaptation is a big mistery. :)

You must be getting close to closing that #2.5 now then.

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1 hour ago, Raymond said:

You must be getting close to closing that #2.5 now then.

Still working on it. Few mm left. It hits me like a wall. Like I have to move a ton to cross that milimeters!

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I had a bit of a condensed session today because I had all sorts of other stuff going on.

I laddered up to a fatbar +58kg chinup and finished with a few weighted rolling handle pullups & weighted vertical handle pullups, I also laddered up to sets of 4x32kg kettlebell C&P and did 60 pushups and 60 body weight squats.

So the weighted chinup/pullup is slowly coming back but I think this 100 rep bodyweight challenge at the same time is killing my gains a bit, I might have to drop the squats and pushups on days when I'm training pullups and presses.

 

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I had another play with the grippers today, I mostly did.cheat closes and focused on negatives for my working sets. I dropped a few select words after a cat crapped in my yard just before I did my first working set, so I did a half arsed job dubbing it to clean it up.

I also did 60 pushups, pullups and bodywieght squats between sets and then played with a Holle dumbbell until  it got too heavy.

I dunno if it's even worthwhile playing with the #3 yet, so I might make this the end of the cycle and concentrate on reps with lighter grippers for a few weeks and then hit that thing again

 

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I think you'd be extremely close if not closing these grippers with some more setting practice. Focus on keeping that back handle from sliding. Ideally you want it to remain parallel with your "palm knuckles". Even the slightest movement can make closing a gripper much harder. Also, if possible, set the gripper down closer to parallel. Your sets are starting quite a bit wider than mms width. When I go for a PR (which isn't too often anymore) I warm up setting more than the crush itself. I'll start with a super light gripper like T or #1 and make sure the set is PERFECT. Then I'll go to a medium gripper and do the same and then attempt a heavy. It's harder to set tough grippers which is why perfecting the set is very key for closing them. Nice attempts though! I don't think it's too early to start trying a #3 because you'll have to practice setting that as well. If you train multiple times a week though, you may only want to do the #3 1 day a week. It starts to become a lot of strain on the tendons and overtraining becomes easier to do. I developed some elbow tendonitis when I started working on the #3 because of that. Oh one more thing: don't be afraid to chalk the 💩out of your hand. Especially where that one handle that slides is. I make sure to have a thick layer of chalk there.

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WestSlope

Came for the gripper closes, stayed for Polk Salad Annie. Keep putting in the work and avoid injury - the bigger gripper closes will come.

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Goran Paulinič

Still by your side. :) I am sredding fat a little. Probably my strength will fade. But I have to loose at least 5kg to look decent again. We will see what will happen next few months.

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Yeah you have a lot to gain by improving your set. You'll close bigger grippers because of better technique, but it'll also spark strength gains due to being able to use heavier loads. I'd say it's a necessity for getting stronger almost 

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Thanks for the tips guys, I definitely need more work on my set, it's still a bit hit & miss at the moment. After training for 3 months I should really be getting it a bit better, I didn't quite get it right a few times today too.

I played with the grippers again today, I still didn't quite close the #2.5 but it shouldn't be too long before I do. I did quite a bit more volume in the warmup with lighter grippers than I normally do & then mostly played with the GHP6 for negatives for a few sets.

 

I also did 60 bodyweight squats, 60 pushups, and 30 vertical handle pullups and played with a Holle dumbbell. Pushups and squats between sets with grippers and pullups & Holle after.

So I think the negatives are working and I could soon have the #2.5. The #3 is looking like it's going to be a long way off but at least it's starting to seem like a possibility now.

 

 

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I played with grippers again today, I still didn't close the #2.5 so I focused on negatives/cheat closes with the GHP6 and CoC #3.

I was bitten by an eastern brown snake last week and it put me out of action for a few days, I came good and was able to train last Friday but by Saturday I felt like crap again and did all weekend. So this was meant to be yesterday's session but I couldn't do it until today.

So it's a bit hard to know if the negative training is helping me improve or if I'm just spinning my wheels and wasting time doing negatives. If I can't close that #2.5 in 2 weeks I might have to re-evaluate and maybe try a different approach.

After the negatives I did a bunch of TNS's with lighter grippers, I also did 100 bodyweight squats and 100 pushups in sets of 20 between sets with grippers and played with a Holle dumbbell after I was finished with the grippers.

I dropped a few F bombs while I was recording it, so I dubbed it clean it up.

 

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Lennix

Your forearms are massive bro! What do they measure? Nice workout. 

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EricMilfeld

I was gonna click "like", but you were bitten by a snake!

Glad you're all better!

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16 hours ago, Lennix said:

Your forearms are massive bro! What do they measure? Nice workout. 

They aren't really that big Thom, maybe they look bigger because I have small hands and wrists. I just measured them and they're 31 cm. If I stood next to you they'd look like chopsticks in comparison.

10 hours ago, EricMilfeld said:

I was gonna click "like", but you were bitten by a snake!

Glad you're all better!

Thanks Eric! There''s not much to like about a snake bite.             

 

Today I did a push/pull day. Alternating sets of pulls and pushes. Pullups on a fatbar 69mm)

10 minutes Indian clubs warmup

12 bodyweight pullups, 8 pullups +20kg, 5 pullups + 28kg, 3 pullups + 44kg, 1 pullup + 52kg,  2 chinups (singles) + 64kg, 1 chinup + 68kg (not from a full dead hang), 6 ice cream makers.

Kettlebell clean and press - 20kg 12 r&L,  24kg 8 R&L, 28kg 6 R&L, 32kg 3 R&L

HSPU's on parallettes (wall supported) 5, 3, 3

 

I feel like I might be able to start making some progress with pullups again now the 100 rep bodyweight challenge I was doing has finished and I can hit the pullups a bit fresher. I'm almost back to where I was before I injured my back earlier this year.

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24 minutes ago, Raymond said:

They aren't really that big Thom, maybe they look bigger because I have small hands and wrists. I just measured them and they're 31 cm. If I stood next to you they'd look like chopsticks in comparison.

Thanks Eric! There''s not much to like about a snake bite.             

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It's all about the looks ;) mine is like 36 but looks like a twig on my frame. 

Didn't even see you were bit by a snake :O. Glad your OK. 

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Goran Paulinič

It's a tough life down under. Nasty creatures everywhere! Europe is a paradise in comparison.

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