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Who can close a #3 Ronnie Coleman style?

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Mike Rinderle
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Either you believe in Santa Claus or you don't.  At this point, if you're a grown man and still believe, there is nothing anyone can say to change your mind.  You have looked at all the facts, understand that for Santa to really deliver all those presents that the laws of physics would have to be suspended, and have made a conscious decision to go with your heart and say, "I believe!" That's cool.  I can't "prove" that Santa doesn't exist.

Somebody in the thread said that people with a higher EQ than IQ are more happy.  I was happier when I was 5 and believed in Santa and the Easter bunny, so I guess this is a true statement.  If it makes you happy to believe that Joe Kinney was the greatest strength athlete of our (or any) generation, then more power to you.  Who am I to shatter that.  I'm certainly not going to tell my 3 yo that Santa is a myth.

I certainly suspend rationality when agreeing with my wife on various subjects that suspend reality.  A happy wife equals a happy life.  :D  Amazing how that woman is always right......

 

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Bearcat 74

I’ve always been a Joe Kinney supporter and I’ve stated what I was told or witnessed. 

 

If I was going to lie, which I’m not prone to do, I’d be telling lies about things I’ve done. 

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Mike Rinderle
8 minutes ago, Bearcat 74 said:

I’ve always been a Joe Kinney supporter and I’ve stated what I was told or witnessed. 

 

If I was going to lie, which I’m not prone to do, I’d be telling lies about things I’ve done. 

I get it. How big was that large mouth?  I know I've stretched the length on a couple browns I've netted.  Lol.

I believe everything you've posted Heath.  Like you said; why would a Kinney supporter make stuff up.  

Are you still doing any grip?  I know I'd rather be hunting and fishing over squeezing grippers any day of the week.  

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Bearcat 74

I still train some.  I use 3” Iron Bull handles on pretty much everything except squats and OHP. I’ve not trained grippers in several years. I still some some wrist stuff, hammer levers and what not.  

 

I resigned from coaching in January so now I have more time to hunt and fish. 

 

I’m a has been all the way around now, lol. 

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Paul Savage
3 hours ago, slazbob said:

You’re wrong, Paul 🤫

No I'm not, he doesn't even know where to position the gripper in his hand, has no idea of the proper technique working his fingers on etc He also doesn't have a clue how to train for grippers, his methods make you go backwards or get you injured. I on the other hand do know proper technique and I do know how to train grippers, why? Because i've actually closed the thing! I could maybe, MAYBE do what he did with a #2.5, an I've done 30 no set reps with it.

 It didn't happen, I don't believe the gripper in his video is even = to a #2.

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Paul Savage
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3 hours ago, Mike Rinderle said:

Any gripper you can do an 8 second hold with ease, while grinding the handles; you can do multiple reps on.  Maybe not 15-20, but certainly at least 5.  Easy.

Of course, that means you would have to show the gripper actually open back up after a close.

You would be able to do way more than 5, try it, slow close with the gripper too far back in your hands, all fingers on the gripper from the off and grind the heck out of the handles at the end whilst talking. I've probably even underestimated it as I'm sure I can't do that with a #3.

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Mike Rinderle
36 minutes ago, Bearcat 74 said:

I still train some.  I use 3” Iron Bull handles on pretty much everything except squats and OHP. I’ve not trained grippers in several years. I still some some wrist stuff, hammer levers and what not.  

 

I resigned from coaching in January so now I have more time to hunt and fish. 

 

I’m a has been all the way around now, lol. 

Anybody who spends their time hunting and fishing is a genius, not a has been!  

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Mike Rinderle
17 minutes ago, Paul Savage said:

You would be able to do way more than 5, try it, slow close with the gripper too far back in your hands, all fingers on the gripper from the off and grind the heck out of the handles at the end whilst talking. I've probably even underestimated it as I'm sure I can't do that with a #3.

I was trying to be conservative.  Lol

5 no set reps of a #4 would still be so far above what any human has accomplished, that it strains the bounds of credibility way past the breaking point.  Either he was 3 times stronger than any human ever, or it didn't happen.  I can't prove he wasn't, but I have my doubts.  Lol

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slazbob
2 hours ago, Bearcat 74 said:

I’ve always been a Joe Kinney supporter and I’ve stated what I was told or witnessed. 

 

If I was going to lie, which I’m not prone to do, I’d be telling lies about things I’ve done. 

Heath-

when Joe gave you the Monster did he tell you it’s something he used to close the no.4? I don’t think it was mentioned for a while after his time.

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Bearcat 74
15 minutes ago, slazbob said:

Heath-

when Joe gave you the Monster did he tell you it’s something he used to close the no.4? I don’t think it was mentioned for a while after his time.

 

I can’t say for sure.  I know it’s a tool he said he used in training but I don’t know where he classified it as far as where it put him on closing the 4. 

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Shal9097

There was no mention of the monster in his first training video. It was his second video where he brought it out and suddenly that was the tool he used to close the #4

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Roger Roberson
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I can tell you this. I have a extended handle Thor gripper the one with .406 spring dia . I’ve modified it to where I can cheat it shut with my grip below where you would normally grab a gripper and I can’t hold it completely shut , it opens back up to alittle over an inch after I release the cheat into my hand for the negative. After that can take a gripper around 200-213ish rgc and it feels considerably manageable to get few cheated reps in .

just saying the method that he explained in the video does work , where he talks about tricking your muscles . I’m not there yet on holding the Thor extended shut like he did on his dumpster spring gripper . If it is anything close to the Thor gripper or even stronger and he managed to shut it and keep it closed. there is a chance he did do to the coc4 on the video he made. Now on the squats he says the weight was 440lbs maybe it was who knows, but the weights were made of concrete and it tends to weigh less . Also he didn’t go as low as you would at a competition, if the picture is right that someone posted earlier in the thread.

 

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Bearcat 74
48 minutes ago, Shal9097 said:

There was no mention of the monster in his first training video. It was his second video where he brought it out and suddenly that was the tool he used to close the #4

 

He gave me a spring the day we met and talked about how he built the handles for it and used it in training.  I’m pretty sure he said it was a dumpster spring  

 

 I’m not sure how that date of our meeting relates to the release of the video.  I actually didn’t know there was a 2nd video, or forgot there was one. 

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Aleksandar Milosevic
19 hours ago, Alawadhi said:

Yes drop out of good universities because their business were already good. You are talking about the likes of Jobs, Gates, Zuckerberg, et cetera and forgetting the millions homeless with no jobs because lack of education. It is really frightening there are guys out there pushing for no education. Yeah you told me that on Instagram your in law lives here in Dubai (was it you?). But then again education is the key for the general. Some seem they won't regret not going to university. But hey that's fine. Regretting needs age and wisdom which is clearly lacking here to the some.

As for you, where do you live? You can have 4.0 GPA but with no job in lets say Niger or Somalia. Education, true education will not send you to those countries, but you should go to a country who respects your education. Give a 2 year old gold and he won't be entertained. But give him a sweet and he will be super happy. Why you don't work with your brother in law here in Dubai? Dubai is good (except for its summer), we can train together, and enjoy the food here 😉

Finally, you said it. If someone claiming he is the strongest person in recorded history then hmmmm

You are right Bader, but we spoke here, on the Gripboard. I have to say, that unfortunately my country isn't that much better than the countries you mentioned, with no disrespect. It's a crab bucket, where only the most corrupt and worthless people succeed. And I'm actively working on changing my country of living, as sad as that is. 

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Mike Rinderle
25 minutes ago, Aleksandar Milosevic said:

You are right Bader, but we spoke here, on the Gripboard. I have to say, that unfortunately my country isn't that much better than the countries you mentioned, with no disrespect. It's a crab bucket, where only the most corrupt and worthless people succeed. And I'm actively working on changing my country of living, as sad as that is. 

You got this.  Pulling for you!

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Mike Rinderle
1 hour ago, Bearcat 74 said:

 

He gave me a spring the day we met and talked about how he built the handles for it and used it in training.  I’m pretty sure he said it was a dumpster spring  

 

 I’m not sure how that date of our meeting relates to the release of the video.  I actually didn’t know there was a 2nd video, or forgot there was one. 

He put one out with John Wood a few years ago.  

 

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slazbob
3 hours ago, Bearcat 74 said:

 

I can’t say for sure.  I know it’s a tool he said he used in training but I don’t know where he classified it as far as where it put him on closing the 4. 

Okay, thanks

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slazbob
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6 hours ago, Paul Savage said:

No I'm not, he doesn't even know where to position the gripper in his hand, has no idea of the proper technique working his fingers on etc He also doesn't have a clue how to train for grippers, his methods make you go backwards or get you injured. I on the other hand do know proper technique and I do know how to train grippers, why? Because i've actually closed the thing! I could maybe, MAYBE do what he did with a #2.5, an I've done 30 no set reps with it.

 It didn't happen, I don't believe the gripper in his video is even = to a #2.

I don’t know why you have to compare yourself to Joe. You don’t have to deep set grippers to train with them...so his handle position is fine. You have stated many times that grippers bruise your hands so working with something like the Monster isn’t something you’d be able to do- therefore knowing without a doubt, that  Joe’s close was fake is not something you’d be familiar with. 

The 60 negatives is what he did for the no.3 ...he was testing things out. When he used the Monster he did 10 - 20. As a matter that comes to mind Juha got his no.4 close after using Kinney techniques; Loan had a Kinney type of Monster, etc. and a lot of people certified on the no.3 when KTA was hot. The principals work fast- that’s the allure of it...but you can’t do all that volume that Joe mentions in the video.

i believe the guy- nobody does here...and that’s fine. It’s an old story. And with all the sometimes sketchy things like the gripper not being shown opening; I feel he had no idea how a camcorder worked and was eyeballing his nephew and the camera looking for a done signal....finally having to tell him “that’s good.”

I don’t mind having friendly banter with you guys...you all need to be shown he did it and I need to be shown he didn’t. 

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slazbob
3 hours ago, Shal9097 said:

There was no mention of the monster in his first training video. It was his second video where he brought it out and suddenly that was the tool he used to close the #4

It wasn’t suddenly...Iron Mind knew about it before he certified. He only had one ..maybe two. He probably didn’t want to mention it, or was advised not to. Some guys don’t share everything to there success. I’m sure his methods he shared was good enough for a no.3 close, so that’s what he shared. Just spittin thought’s don’t want to sound like an insider🤭

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19 hours ago, slazbob said:

I don’t know why you have to compare yourself to Joe. You don’t have to deep set grippers to train with them...so his handle position is fine. You have stated many times that grippers bruise your hands so working with something like the Monster isn’t something you’d be able to do- therefore knowing without a doubt, that  Joe’s close was fake is not something you’d be familiar with. 

The 60 negatives is what he did for the no.3 ...he was testing things out. When he used the Monster he did 10 - 20. As a matter that comes to mind Juha got his no.4 close after using Kinney techniques; Loan had a Kinney type of Monster, etc. and a lot of people certified on the no.3 when KTA was hot. The principals work fast- that’s the allure of it...but you can’t do all that volume that Joe mentions in the video.

i believe the guy- nobody does here...and that’s fine. It’s an old story. And with all the sometimes sketchy things like the gripper not being shown opening; I feel he had no idea how a camcorder worked and was eyeballing his nephew and the camera looking for a done signal....finally having to tell him “that’s good.”

I don’t mind having friendly banter with you guys...you all need to be shown he did it and I need to be shown he didn’t. 

The reason people certified on the #3 when KTA was hot was because you could deep set the gripper.

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Alawadhi
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On 7/1/2019 at 7:03 PM, Mike Rinderle said:

I was trying to be conservative.  Lol

More like 15 reps at least!

On 7/1/2019 at 5:57 PM, Bearcat 74 said:

I’ve always been a Joe Kinney supporter and I’ve stated what I was told or witnessed. 

 

If I was going to lie, which I’m not prone to do, I’d be telling lies about things I’ve done. 

Heath why are you lying to us? Lol JK. Heath is one of the best gripsters out there with integrity! He will never lie especially to these childish things. Some people who try to make Heath look like a liar are just embarrassing themselves.

21 hours ago, Aleksandar Milosevic said:

You are right Bader, but we spoke here, on the Gripboard. I have to say, that unfortunately my country isn't that much better than the countries you mentioned, with no disrespect. It's a crab bucket, where only the most corrupt and worthless people succeed. And I'm actively working on changing my country of living, as sad as that is. 

Kinney can you help with the tax thing too if you need a help. Leaving jokes aside, I wish you the best!

19 hours ago, slazbob said:

I don’t know why you have to compare yourself to Joe. You don’t have to deep set grippers to train with them...so his handle position is fine. You have stated many times that grippers bruise your hands so working with something like the Monster isn’t something you’d be able to do- therefore knowing without a doubt, that  Joe’s close was fake is not something you’d be familiar with. 

The 60 negatives is what he did for the no.3 ...he was testing things out. When he used the Monster he did 10 - 20. As a matter that comes to mind Juha got his no.4 close after using Kinney techniques; Loan had a Kinney type of Monster, etc. and a lot of people certified on the no.3 when KTA was hot. The principals work fast- that’s the allure of it...but you can’t do all that volume that Joe mentions in the video.

i believe the guy- nobody does here...and that’s fine. It’s an old story. And with all the sometimes sketchy things like the gripper not being shown opening; I feel he had no idea how a camcorder worked and was eyeballing his nephew and the camera looking for a done signal....finally having to tell him “that’s good.”

I don’t mind having friendly banter with you guys...you all need to be shown he did it and I need to be shown he didn’t. 

Paul compares himself not only because he can close stronger grippers than Joe Kinney, but because even his girlfriend has a better grip than Joe Kinney (seriously). I'll bet on Paul in ANYTHING grip over Joe Kinney any day. Paul reached very strong levels because he is training right and know how to close grippers. The people who are telling Paul otherwise can't close grippers as hard as what Paul can do. But hey, @Paul Savage aren't you Joe Kinney with a mask? :D

As for Juha, no Juha did his ways later on. He learned from Paul Knight way more than Kinney. And his secret to close the #4 was from Mr. Knight. Let's not forget guys, Juha had one of the strongest crush ever. He close his 212 rated #4 here. It was such an intensity. He even broke a tooth once closing a #4. Yes that's how serious closing a #4 is. Not holding it wrongly, going slow, grinding it, talking calmly, gripper move in a weird way, not showing the close, et cetera.

Edit: Not showing the open (not close)

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Mike Rinderle

If Joe wanted to be the first #4 closer, why would he wait until he could close a CoC #6 before submitting his #4 vid?  It's things like these that would keep me up at night if I believed he really closed it like that. 

He had to be able to touch the handles with a normal close for well over a year before he could dominate one like that (no set, hand way up the gripper, gripper back as far in palm as it can go, no thumb used to hook forefinger, slow motion close, 8 second hold, ground the handles in a way that would take crazy strength on its own, and talked during the close like he was squeezing a marshmallow so we know he wasn't exerting himself).

He had to have at least twice and probably three times the crush of the strongest man in the world without even trying.  I mean, all Magnuson could do was leg crush it and hold it together.

 

 

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AdamTGlass
20 minutes ago, Alawadhi said:

 

As for Juha, no Juha did his ways later on. He learned from Paul Knight way more than Kinney. And his secret to close the #4 was from Mr. Knight. Let's not forget guys, Juha had one of the strongest crush ever. He close his 212 rated #4 here. It was such an intensity. He even broke a tooth once closing a #4. Yes that's how serious closing a #4 is. Not holding it wrongly, going slow, grinding it, talking calmly, gripper move in a weird way, not showing the close, et cetera.

^^^^^^ this. 

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Shoggoth

"How can we compete with the Couch thread?"

"Kinney!"

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AdamTGlass
21 minutes ago, Shoggoth said:

"How can we compete with the Couch thread?"

"Kinney!"

Its the classic exciting battle of reality vs fantasy.

In boring old reality we have to contend with pesky facts, relative comparison, and numbers. It’s so dull compared to the colorful myth and lore of hand training. 

Whatever the reqlity it’s still the best fishing story I’ve ever been told 🐟🐟🐟🐟🐟🐟

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