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Joseph Sullivan
3 minutes ago, WestSlope said:

I would not travel far (fly, rent car, etc) for a comp that I couldn't specifically train each event. I love the process of systematically training and getting stronger, crushing my enemies, seeing them driven before me, and hearing the lamentations of their women.

I would always hit this sort of comp if it were in my backyard.

That’s the point of the forum. To see who would and would not do it. There will be a thick bar, pinch, gripper and V bar component so there would be no mystery there as far as being able to basically train for what’s coming ... you can still train and get just as strong with what you choose from those options, you just won’t know the “exact” implements. It would show who had the strongest grip without  training on specific implements. Very interesting IMO. Most probably would not be down to being exposed to something of that nature.

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Fist of Fury
3 hours ago, richcottrell said:

What if instead of picking the “mystery lifts” ahead of time, you have the agreed on “possible” lifts names written down on index cards and then folded and thrown into a four bowls...

so the crush event, thick bar event, wrist event, and pinch event gets determined by random selection so the promoter can compete and there is no way anyone can claim prior knowledge of the events.

This was exactly my thoughts as well.

Another suggestion. I think it would be nice to see some endurance events as well, not just max effort 1RM contests all the time. Silver Bullet, pinch and thick bar holds etc. Even reps with a specific gripper would be interesting.

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Mike Rinderle
18 minutes ago, Joseph Sullivan said:

That’s the point of the forum. To see who would and would not do it. There will be a thick bar, pinch, gripper and V bar component so there would be no mystery there as far as being able to basically train for what’s coming ... you can still train and get just as strong with what you choose from those options, you just won’t know the “exact” implements. It would show who had the strongest grip without  training on specific implements. Very interesting IMO. Most probably would not be down to being exposed to something of that nature.

I actually don't train for specific events.  Mostly because I don't have the toys.  For instance, going into NAGS I have 1 gripper, no euro, no napalms nightmare, and no wrist roller.  So I just trained a bunch of different types of pinch and thickbar.  I just bought my first rolling handle ever, but it isn't a brand name used in a contest.

I just train generally and hope it carries over.

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Fist of Fury
3 hours ago, Mike Rinderle said:

I would compete if I knew 2" v-bar was in the contest because that eliminates @Chez right off the bat.  Any other top gripsters out there that have an event they won't do?  I vote for those.  BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

In all seriousness Chez is probably right.  I still do heavy 2" v-bar from time to time, but tha's because I'm an idiot.  I think the partial biceps tear and some of the other shoulder damage I've been fighting was from the 2" vbar.  The rest was from years of misuse and faulty bench technique.

There was a time when the 1" V-Bar was extremely popular, but the weights got so high on it that there was a rash of biceps tears.  So the 2" became more popular because it was lighter weight and actually worked the grip more.  But the weights on the 2" have now climbed up to dangerous levels as well.  Every recent contest I've seen it contested, the winner was 300+.   I like the v-bar, because I'm decent at it, but it probably does keep a few competitors from showing up to events where it is being contesed.  LBH or a 2" vert attachment works well, although, you can twist the slack out of the chain and basically turn those into pseudo solid v-bars for the big lifts, so....

Other than that, the idea sounds fine.  I really don't care what the events are or if we know them in advance.  I just come to hang out with the guys and have a blast a couple times a year.  I'll pick up whatever you tell me to pick up. 

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This can be solved by using the HorneTop from the GripTopz series. You're not gonna pull a bicep on that one unless your bicep is very weak and unhealthy. The WR is "only" 100 kg I believe (which most people won't get near anyways).

Or you could just use real anvils, do holds etc, everything doesn't need to be a 1RM contest.

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Joseph Sullivan
3 minutes ago, Mike Rinderle said:

I actually don't train for specific events.  Mostly because I don't have the toys.  For instance, going into NAGS I have 1 gripper, no euro, no napalms nightmare, and no wrist roller.  So I just trained a bunch of different types of pinch and thickbar.  I just bought my first rolling handle ever, but it isn't a brand name used in a contest.

I just train generally and hope it carries over.

Exactly . I’m going to put the idea to rest though. Don’t think it will happen. Don’t think enough would Throw their hat in the game.

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Joseph Sullivan
8 minutes ago, Joseph Sullivan said:

Exactly . I’m going to put the idea to rest though. Don’t think it will happen. Don’t think enough would Throw their hat in the game.

For doing just that Mike you kill it at the comps!

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Mike Rinderle
11 minutes ago, Fist of Fury said:

This can be solved by using the HorneTop from the GripTopz series. You're not gonna pull a bicep on that one unless your bicep is very weak and unhealthy. The WR is "only" 100 kg I believe (which most people won't get near anyways).

Or you could just use real anvils, do holds etc, everything doesn't need to be a 1RM contest.

Shockingly, a lot of the vbar injuries have come at very low weights during warmups.  Lack of concentration.  Engage biceps.  Pop.  

Key is warming up properly, stay focused, and know what you are doing.  Something that can't be expected of everyone at an open contest with newer gripsters.

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climber511
9 minutes ago, Mike Rinderle said:

I actually don't train for specific events.  Mostly because I don't have the toys.  For instance, going into NAGS I have 1 gripper, no euro, no napalms nightmare, and no wrist roller.  So I just trained a bunch of different types of pinch and thickbar.  I just bought my first rolling handle ever, but it isn't a brand name used in a contest.

I just train generally and hope it carries over.

When I'm getting ready for a contest - my own or others - I train towards my giant Medley - which is 25 to 30 different items.  I never train grippers - I do train 2HP (60-110-160 - 210 - max) so 5 maybe 6 lifts a session - Axle DL if it's in the contest (I only train the DL portion and use a regular bar - I use DB's for the thick bar part to save my glass back). Other than that I don't really care what is thrown at me as far as how I train for it - my training is all over the place anyway.  I do have events I will not compete in due to prior injuries though - V- Bar is one of them - Rim Lift is another for example.

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Mike Rinderle
15 minutes ago, Joseph Sullivan said:

Exactly . I’m going to put the idea to rest though. Don’t think it will happen. Don’t think enough would Throw their hat in the game.

Well, if it's held within driving distance of my house, I'll be there.  And really, isn't that all that matters?  🤣

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Joseph Sullivan
14 minutes ago, Mike Rinderle said:

Well, if it's held within driving distance of my house, I'll be there.  And really, isn't that all that matters?  🤣

Yes Rindo exactly! Fun with friends competing.

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Eric Roussin

I likely wouldn't travel very far to attend this type of grip contest. I would want to know more than just that there will be one thick bar event, one pinch event, one crush event, and a vertical lift event. I like to train for specific events. I do like the mystery element, but I would want to know the full list of possible events, even if only a small subset of the events would be contested.

I did hurt myself with the V-Bar at last year's King Kong, but luckily it wasn't anything major. My limitation is around the fact that my arms don't fully straighten due to cumulative elbow damage from years and years of armwrestling. Whenever I get to the point that my arms are starting to be forced open due to excessive weight (right around 275 lbs per arm), I feel like something bad might happen. So I won't compete in events where the weight is likely to go much beyond this threshold. For example, I will never do heavy one hand lifts with a 1" handle. I used to own a Plateau Buster. Lifting 300 lbs with it was easy for my hand, but painful on my elbow. The top guys lift north of 600 lbs with it -- something that I could never do.

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Fist of Fury
55 minutes ago, Mike Rinderle said:

Shockingly, a lot of the vbar injuries have come at very low weights during warmups.  Lack of concentration.  Engage biceps.  Pop.  

Key is warming up properly, stay focused, and know what you are doing.  Something that can't be expected of everyone at an open contest with newer gripsters.

Yes I agree 100% that proper warm up is the way to go I also agree that it's strange that people doesn't do it properly even to this day with all the information out there.

 

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Joseph Sullivan
7 minutes ago, Fist of Fury said:

Yes I agree 100% that proper warm up is the way to go I also agree that it's strange that people doesn't do it properly even to this day with all the information out there.

 

It’s pretty simple in its execution IMO . I agree. But hey everyone’s body mechanics may be different. 

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Fist of Fury
Just now, Joseph Sullivan said:

It’s pretty simple in its execution IMO . I agree. But hey everyone’s body mechanics may be different. 

Yes and I think a very common reason for bicep tears are because of what Eric explained, lack of mobility. I don't know about the V-bar, just in general.

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Climber028

I'll go to anything if it's close enough and I have the time, I'm not picky about events

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Lucasraymond

Gripper- mms, 20mm, 25mm, 30mm, CC, silver bullet

pinch- flask (1h or 2h), euro (1h or 2h), blockbuster, adjustable pinch block (3” or 4”), pinch block curl hold for time

Thickbar- Crusher (2”, 2.5”, 3”), NN (2”, 2 3/8”, 3”), Trilobite (2”, 2.5”, 3”), 2” Axle, 2 3/8” axle, 

Vertical lifts- excalibur (2”, 2.5”, 3”), FBBC jug, FBBC Anvil, LBH

Random- sledge hammer variations, Hub variations, blob/block weight reps/holds, wrist roller 

-quick thought on the lists and would be random draw the day of so even the promoter wouldnt have a clue either

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Tank Andrade

so Joe lets get a date brotherrr

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Joseph Sullivan
36 minutes ago, Tank Andrade said:

so Joe lets get a date brotherrr

 Tanker,

I thought the idea was kind of dropped due to not enough interest or guys wanting to know what the events were. I would love for it to happen as I have been bitten by the competition bug!  If enough were interested it would be great. Just don’t know when it would come to fruition as next month is the  armlifting comp at Eric Roussin’s and then King Kong. Let’s see who else chimes in. Are you gonna do Erics next month?

Joe

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Andrew Dube

It's unlikely that I could attend but I really like this concept. Especially a random drawing of events. 

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Chez
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On 5/26/2018 at 9:57 PM, Lucasraymond said:

Gripper- mms, 20mm, 25mm, 30mm, CC, silver bullet

pinch- flask (1h or 2h), euro (1h or 2h), blockbuster, adjustable pinch block (3” or 4”), pinch block curl hold for time

Thickbar- Crusher (2”, 2.5”, 3”), NN (2”, 2 3/8”, 3”), Trilobite (2”, 2.5”, 3”), 2” Axle, 2 3/8” axle, 

Vertical lifts- excalibur (2”, 2.5”, 3”), FBBC jug, FBBC Anvil, LBH

Random- sledge hammer variations, Hub variations, blob/block weight reps/holds, wrist roller 

-quick thought on the lists and would be random draw the day of so even the promoter wouldnt have a clue either

I like this idea. That way we have some clue of what the events are but its random selection among the categories. 

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Tank Andrade
23 hours ago, Joseph Sullivan said:

 Tanker,

I thought the idea was kind of dropped due to not enough interest or guys wanting to know what the events were. I would love for it to happen as I have been bitten by the competition bug!  If enough were interested it would be great. Just don’t know when it would come to fruition as next month is the  armlifting comp at Eric Roussin’s and then King Kong. Let’s see who else chimes in. Are you gonna do Erics next month?

Joe

just do it locals will always show. you dont need the scared anyway lol. good luck up in Canada brother

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Joseph Sullivan
3 hours ago, Tank Andrade said:

just do it locals will always show. you dont need the scared anyway lol. good luck up in Canada brother

Yes that is true Chris for sure! Maybe we will do it at the new year? We will see... and thanks for the luck in Canada.... I will need it.

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