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#153 1x1 #166 1x1  #178 3x1, each missed by a mm or 2, felt extremely good. Tried to crush each for around 3 sec.  #159 1x1 #143 1x3  **** Left hand  #153 1x1 4 sec

mms  #143, 5x1  #2.5, 5x1  Felt good. It's a little stupid to do this now, but I decided to start low and work myself up again with proper setting, see where it leads. I intend to let m

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Hi H.

If you (re)started grippers 2 months ago, it's a good bet you are simply uncovering your base gripper strength...which apparently is very strong.

When you start to plateau, turn your focus towards your recovery.  Our age, training and general activity level, all play a role in optimal gripper training. 

GL. 

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1 hour ago, anwnate said:

Hi H.

If you (re)started grippers 2 months ago, it's a good bet you are simply uncovering your base gripper strength...which apparently is very strong.

When you start to plateau, turn your focus towards your recovery.  Our age, training and general activity level, all play a role in optimal gripper training. 

GL. 

Hi!

Yes..well, we'll see where it stops. It could also be that I'm starting out near my limit, or maybe It'll continue like this and go very well.. In either case I want to have fun and enjoy myself. That's the most important thing.

Thanks for the encouragement.

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You're young man, you will mash the #3 easily and you can go beyond that if you want to. Be consistent and and have patience and you'll go far.

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Hello! I’m pretty much a lurker as well for the most part. You’re ahead of me as I still can’t close the 2.5 from any set, but I identify with you. I know what you mean with the MMS sets. Something doesn’t quite feel right for me sometimes and although I am stronger when I do it right (or at least what i THINK is right), it’s not by all that much vs CCS. I think it just takes time. For a while my routine would just call for me first doing some all out effort wide sets, and then deciding to pick up a heavier gripper and saying “I’ll just throw in some mms reps with this”. Then I would be left dumbfounded when I wouldn’t  even be able to close it once lol. I find that if I do any wide set work first, my MMS is absolutely  horrible if I try it after. I think it takes a little time devoted to prioritizing MMS to start see the difference from my perspective. I have to come right out the gate in a workout doing MMS on all warmup sets and then the MMS work sets. But again for me the difference is still not great as far as a max close goes. I’m fairly close to a MMS 2.5, and the gap is not really all that far behind it for CCS. However, I’ll see a much bigger difference when I MMS a gripper that I can CLOSE CCS. Then we’ll be talking about something I can do 1x CCS and be able to get 6 or more MMS. I’m still pretty new to this though so in time I’m expecting the gap in what I can max on both to grow (maybe)

 

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Don't get locked in too much with MMS. A wide set like CCS or none at all carries over well to other grip aspect like thickbar. Back when I started I was one dimensional and got the 3 in short order MMS, then repping it 5+.... but couldn't lift 160 on the Rolling Thunder.. nowadays, I've noticed CCS is helping me close in on 220 with the RT (improved without directly training it).

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Instead of doing negatives with my #2 today I decided it's better If I keep progressing to higher resictances Instead. That and I also couldn't resist it ^^

Warmup :

Plastic gripper: 2x15 

Some pushups and bw squats, just enough to get my body going. 

Some singles on my filed #1 & #1.5

3x1 on my #2. 

For the working sets (all my sets are wide) I did 7x1 on my #2.5 (right hand), it felt okay, wasn't too difficult but I expected it to be easier. Im considering running gtg on this one a couple of days. It needs to feel easier before I move on. 

Left hand I did 7x2 on #2(re-set). Felt okay for being left hand. 

I recorded my second set of my #2.5, however it is bad, I missed everything :p I'll post either way. It's a start st least. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bggu7RsFIHh/?hl=sv

(sorry I don't know how to integrate the video) 

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Got some new grippers today, 108# IM 2, 112# GHP 5 and 130# GHP 6.

My grip is too weak since last workout to try them, dont wanna mess with recovery. Feel I need 3 more days or so. 

Still, needing this much rest to be able to perform again is hardly optimal. After my coming gtg cycle I Will try resting 15 minutes between sets and avoid going on till failure so I can train more often. Strength is about 100% effort anyway, so more rest is good for that also. 

I have been away from training anything besides my back for 1.5months or so, due to.. Stuff. Anyway, started a little bit today again.

I did handstand wall runs for 5x20, slow reps (stomach to wall) My shoulder girdle felt very strong though, I haven't lost much strength. I did the runs to shoulders today, but I Will start doing them to my thighs when all my strength is back. I weigh about 96kg atm so the pressure on my wrist and forearm is lmmense, they felt blasted afterwards. Never thought of that before, maybe it helps grip somewhat. 

Finished with wrist pushups, 3x5 for both flexors and extensors. 

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On 2018-03-17 at 6:49 AM, Booze said:

Hello! 

Hi! 

Yes, you are probably right. Also to get really great at one of them you would probably have to specialize a bit. For me I really dont care for mms atm, it would be cool to be able to crush bigger grippers but the IM cert is my focus. Doing sets from CCS starting point and then bang out a few mms reps (or Micro) would probably translate over to both the best. 

What are your goals? 

On 2018-03-18 at 2:08 PM, jvance said:

Don't get locked in too much with MMS. A wide set like CCS or none at all carries over well to other grip aspect like thickbar. Back when I started I was one dimensional and got the 3 in short order MMS, then repping it 5+.... but couldn't lift 160 on the Rolling Thunder.. nowadays, I've noticed CCS is helping me close in on 220 with the RT (improved without directly training it).

Got it! Makes sense 

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19 hours ago, Hopefully said:

Hi! 

Yes, you are probably right. Also to get really great at one of them you would probably have to specialize a bit. For me I really dont care for mms atm, it would be cool to be able to crush bigger grippers but the IM cert is my focus. Doing sets from CCS starting point and then bang out a few mms reps (or Micro) would probably translate over to both the best. 

What are your goals? 

Got it! Makes sense 

Same as yours, certifying on the #3. I really don’t care about MMS either, just use it as a training tool as I’m always looking for anything that might have carry over value to CCS. I experiment way too much though! Never really give anything a chance to work. I’m the type who has one bad workout, gets pissed,  and just completely changes their routine up lol. In reality I’ve probably made pretty good progress going from the #1 once (dominant hand only) to “kind of” close on the 2.5 in a little under a year,  but I never see it that way. I think I compare myself way too damn much to people with higher starting points. I’m my own worst enemy as the saying goes.

Ive done what you described, doing a CCS rep followed by partial/mini reps, I should probably go back to it,...I think it makes sense. The main thing I question about MMS is the handle not being in the same position as CCS, meaning my strongest MMS position is a little higher in the hand than I can use for CCS. I question the carry over value if the handle isn’t it in the same spot in your hand, if you know what I mean. 

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2 hours ago, Booze said:

Same as yours, certifying on the #3. I really don’t care about MMS either, just use it as a training tool as I’m always looking for anything that might have carry over value to CCS. I experiment way too much though! Never really give anything a chance to work. I’m the type who has one bad workout, gets pissed,  and just completely changes their routine up lol. In reality I’ve probably made pretty good progress going from the #1 once (dominant hand only) to “kind of” close on the 2.5 in a little under a year,  but I never see it that way. I think I compare myself way too damn much to people with higher starting points. I’m my own worst enemy as the saying goes.

Ive done what you described, doing a CCS rep followed by partial/mini reps, I should probably go back to it,...I think it makes sense. The main thing I question about MMS is the handle not being in the same position as CCS, meaning my strongest MMS position is a little higher in the hand than I can use for CCS. I question the carry over value if the handle isn’t it in the same spot in your hand, if you know what I mean. 

Allright. Well that's a big problem, but at least you know of it. It takes the body a few workouts to adapt to a certain training method, if you change too much the body never gets a chance to adapt. You quit before the real gains come. When you have adapted fully to the current load (training method) you stagnate, and that's when you should change (you probably know this).But I know that paralysis by analysis can be difficult to get out of.. I have had it plenty of times before.

Also please do not compare yourself, it will make you feel very bad about yourself. Seriously, it only leads to suffering. All strength related stuff comes down to genetics in the end, no matter how hard(optimal) you train or how good you eat or anything you do. It's a hard pill to swallow, but when you realize this and truly accept it, only then can you truly feel good about yourself. Hard work does not overcome talent, I'm sorry, but with hardwork you can vastly improve yourself. And that's all that matters. 

Also strength is strength. There will always be some carry over, only the cns has to adapt a bit due to a different position. However when you close a bigger gripper with mms, you close it because of better leverage and not greater strength. Therefore with a big mms close, do you close it because of great strength or great leverage? Big difference. Of course even though you have better leverage you also in the end handle more weight, which will prepare your cns to bigger loads.... Maybe it's best to include some mms training afterall :P

And yes I also think it makes sense, very much so! :)

 

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First day for my grease the groove cycle. I will do it untill I start feeling very weak or fail a rep badly, and I will go on for a maximum of 5 days. 

As the 2.5 is still kind of heavy for me I will rest for at least an hour between reps to start with. I'm aware gtg shouldn't be done with something this difficult traditionally but I believe in it for grip. We'll se how it goes. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/BgyGWt0Byv9

 

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1 hour ago, Hopefully said:

First day for my grease the groove cycle. I will do it untill I start feeling very weak or fail a rep badly, and I will go on for a maximum of 5 days. 

As the 2.5 is still kind of heavy for me I will rest for at least an hour between reps to start with. I'm aware gtg shouldn't be done with something this difficult traditionally but I believe in it for grip. We'll se how it goes. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/BgyGWt0Byv9

 

Good job with the #2.5. Also, that is not a deep set, it's a wide set :) 

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2 hours ago, Hopefully said:

First day for my grease the groove cycle. I will do it untill I start feeling very weak or fail a rep badly, and I will go on for a maximum of 5 days. 

As the 2.5 is still kind of heavy for me I will rest for at least an hour between reps to start with. I'm aware gtg shouldn't be done with something this difficult traditionally but I believe in it for grip. We'll se how it goes. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/BgyGWt0Byv9

 

Great close and I agree with fist of fury that it wasn't a deep set. On the board, we generally call it a deep set when you are closer than parallel. That look much wider than parallel. 

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3 hours ago, Fist of Fury said:

Good job with the #2.5. Also, that is not a deep set, it's a wide set :) 

 

1 hour ago, Chez said:

Great close and I agree with fist of fury that it wasn't a deep set. On the board, we generally call it a deep set when you are closer than parallel. That look much wider than parallel. 

Thank you guys! :)

And okey, good to know. I don't think I will go deeper than in my video though. Not yet.

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On ‎3‎/‎26‎/‎2018 at 5:34 AM, Hopefully said:

First day for my grease the groove cycle. I will do it untill I start feeling very weak or fail a rep badly, and I will go on for a maximum of 5 days. 

As the 2.5 is still kind of heavy for me I will rest for at least an hour between reps to start with. I'm aware gtg shouldn't be done with something this difficult traditionally but I believe in it for grip. We'll se how it goes. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/BgyGWt0Byv9

 

Good luck with your GTG experiment!  Your #2.5 close was a pretty wide set and looked strong.  I noticed that your goal is the #3 cert.  I certified 13 years ago.  Still a very fond memory for me.  And it will be for you too this year or in 2019 from the looks of your training log.  I used a high volume version of GTG for the last few months of my build up to the COC cert.   

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5 hours ago, bencrush said:

Good luck with your GTG experiment!  Your #2.5 close was a pretty wide set and looked strong.  I noticed that your goal is the #3 cert.  I certified 13 years ago.  Still a very fond memory for me.  And it will be for you too this year or in 2019 from the looks of your training log.  I used a high volume version of GTG for the last few months of my build up to the COC cert.   

Thank you Ben! I'm getting there.

Actually it was you who inspired me to do it :) I've read your posts over at Strongfirst and the IM forum (got to them through google). What you have shared has helped me very much. I saw your post about the Peacock grippers the other day aswell, I'm thinking of trying this too :) In combination with filing.

I do have e #3 I bought a long time ago, I think I am a little bit too weak atm to really estimate it's difficulty but man it feels extremely hard. It's rock solid. If that is an average 3 then I have a long way to go still :sleep I have ordered a rated Ghp 7 and a #3 from cannon so it'll be fun to see where I'm at when they arrive.

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I could only handle two days, but I managed around 30 closes or so with my 2.5 and a few with my 2. My Cns is totally spent now, I feel tired and foggy. So I call it a day, no point in pushing it. My tendons and everything feel fine.. But those injuries come without warning so better to rest today or potentially never train again.  

I never failed a rep on it so when I've recovered I think it's time to move on. I will probably file the 2.5 down a bit and also turn it into a peacock :) or do wide sets with mini reps at the close.. Probably better to do that first before filing it. 

I'll rest from grippers 3 days first though. Then I'll attempts my ghp #130 and see if that goes down. 

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Handstand wall runs : 5x30, no body swing. Felt easy but I got zip endurance, it'll come. 

Handstand wall walks with horisontal plank hold (feet to wall) 2x2 with 15 second holds. 

Some rounds on heavy bag. 

I think I'll log everything I do, easier for me to keep track of my workouts that way. 

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From what I understand wide pinch should have good carry over to CCS:ing grippers, so I made some stuff today. Two blocks, one wide one narrow, a hub shape thing, a chrome plated blob with a thread in it so that I can use it with the loading pin to add weight. And of course the loading pin. Also a fat grip dumbbell. 

I was going to do a big dumbbell for kroc rows but unfortunately I didn't have the time. 

 

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Looks nice, especially that dumbbell. Very well done.

How thick are those plates with the lug? Are those what you referred as hub like thing? Just didn't get it how you would grip it as they are so thin :)

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9 minutes ago, manost12 said:

Looks nice, especially that dumbbell. Very well done.

How thick are those plates with the lug? Are those what you referred as hub like thing? Just didn't get it how you would grip it as they are so thin :)

Thanks! :)

Uhm, well, they are both about 12mm. So yes, it'll be difficult. Fingertips. When I am at CCS width the gripper is basically at my fingertips, and I feel very weak there. 

Just googled the hub and it was way deeper than I thought. Well, maybe I'll make a proper one later.. 

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And I must say, I lifted this blob a couple of times to try it out and it was really fun actually. Felt awesome liting it. I look forward doing proper workouts with it. 

 

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Ah alright sounds logical.

The problem I see with this is that some part of the fingertip could slide over the bottom edge and get some additional grip there. As you saw the hub prevents this with an additional large plate. But maybe not, you'll find out soon. 

Keep us updated if it will help you on grippers ;)

 

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7 minutes ago, Hopefully said:

And I must say, I lifted this blob a couple of times to try it out and it was really fun actually. Felt awesome liting it. I look forward doing proper workouts with it. 

 

Do you mean the pinch block I referred to or the blob?

Anyways the main thing is it strengthens your grip. And i think it will.

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