The MashMonster - Level 9 and Level 10!??

[Fist of Fury]

1 hour ago, Paul Savage said:

220lb+ has been done MMS and by more than one person but totally depends on the gripper and how hard it is through the full ROM too. As far as strongest men in the world not competing in grip, yes but then again its apples and oranges. Ive always said the strongest powerlifter or strongman doesn't beat the strongest grip guy in an all round grip contest. With specialist training possibly but without it they will lose points on the none thickbar events. Specific to crushing strength, ive trained with loz  in the past who's one of the strongest in the world for sure and although very good grip he could only beat me on two hands pinch and don't think could beat Steve (mobster) at anything, maybe two hands pinch dependent on the day. He could wide set close a #3 and tried a #4 I was doing choker work with once and got it to 3/16th. Brian shaw couldn't ccs #3.5 but again very high level on the pinch and thickbar events (Loz was no mug on these either). In summary, whatever they do they will be very very strong in but beat the best no, grip is a different sport.

There's no real incentive for them to be the best at grip that's why they are not better. If they wanted they would beat us lighter people for sure. Just look at their hands and arms. Throw in the same amount of price money in grip and the sport will look completely different with a lot more names in it.

Samuelsson was fairly well rounded in grip, #4 closer and also world record holder in rolling thunder once. I don't know how good he was at pinching but there's no doubt he could've been very good at that as well. Because he had, unlike most strongmen actually some interest in grip because of his armwrestling backround.

[Alawadhi]

2 hours ago, Paul Savage said:

220lb+ has been done MMS and by more than one person but totally depends on the gripper and how hard it is through the full ROM too. As far as strongest men in the world not competing in grip, yes but then again its apples and oranges. Ive always said the strongest powerlifter or strongman doesn't beat the strongest grip guy in an all round grip contest. With specialist training possibly but without it they will lose points on the none thickbar events. Specific to crushing strength, ive trained with loz  in the past who's one of the strongest in the world for sure and although very good grip he could only beat me on two hands pinch and don't think could beat Steve (mobster) at anything, maybe two hands pinch dependent on the day. He could wide set close a #3 and tried a #4 I was doing choker work with once and got it to 3/16th. Brian shaw couldn't ccs #3.5 but again very high level on the pinch and thickbar events (Loz was no mug on these either). In summary, whatever they do they will be very very strong in but beat the best no, grip is a different sport.

It was same day which Rich Williams certed on the 3.5. I disagree here, His 3.5 could've a monster. Or maybe he doesn't know how to set. The top professional strongman, power-lifter, weightlifters power are off the chart man. See Ronnie Coleman here. He almost closed a #3 with the shitty set. I can come close to my easy BBGE but can't do that to my #2.5 (heck maybe even #2) the same set. And yes I know the last part is totally different but seeing how easy this was if he knew the right set he would've easily closed it. Maybe even average 3.5. We have seen them competing in mighty mitts and others and man they do really good. Yes grip isn't only grippers. But make grip international sports with big money and things will change A LOT.

34 minutes ago, Fist of Fury said:

There's no real incentive for them to be the best at grip that's why they are not better. If they wanted they would beat us lighter people for sure. Just look at their hands and arms. Throw in the same amount of price money in grip and the sport will look completely different with a lot more names in it.

Samuelsson was fairly well rounded in grip, #4 closer and also world record holder in rolling thunder once. I don't know how good he was at pinching but there's no doubt he could've been very good at that as well. Because he had, unlike most strongmen actually some interest in grip because of his armwrestling backround.

Totally agreeing here 

[Paul Savage]

Oh I agree to an extent, unfortunately its all theory until it happens. I think the closest thing is Becca, as she is legit one of the strongest woman in the world but also does gripsport and is just as dedicated to it, next week for example trying to win both world strongwoman championships and world grip championships in the same weekend (I don't think there's any similar female or male??). The results are that she is breaking records by several kg left right and centre in her first competitive year. A huge factor in this is also that I'm coaching her after 15 years being obsessed with grip but yes, the genetic monsters, if just as dedicated, with good grip specific coaching, could indeed break a bunch of records. Really there is no reason for them to do this without the money though, especially as the tendons are often weaker than the muscles for them (high risk of injury). 

[Hellraiser92x]

Paul would the MM9 be far out of reach for you? Maybe you should go for it.

[KapMan]

31 minutes ago, Hellraiser92x said:

Paul would the MM9 be far out of reach for you? Maybe you should go for it.

Yeah paul. Get on this..seriously

[Paul Savage]

1 hour ago, Hellraiser92x said:

Paul would the MM9 be far out of reach for you? Maybe you should go for it.

Not a goal of mine personally. After world grip championships next week I'll again be going after #4 CCS. I think Morgan can do it, he's doing awesome to say the least.

Edited September 3, 2017 by Paul Savage

[gripmaniac]

I actually think the MM9 can/will be closed . . . . .but it's hard to see someone with the strength and hand durability to close the MM10.

The MM ladder prestige and intrigue can only benefit from such lofty rungs.

 

 

[Alawadhi]

On 9/3/2017 at 10:37 PM, Paul Savage said:

Oh I agree to an extent, unfortunately its all theory until it happens. I think the closest thing is Becca, as she is legit one of the strongest woman in the world but also does gripsport and is just as dedicated to it, next week for example trying to win both world strongwoman championships and world grip championships in the same weekend (I don't think there's any similar female or male??). The results are that she is breaking records by several kg left right and centre in her first competitive year. A huge factor in this is also that I'm coaching her after 15 years being obsessed with grip but yes, the genetic monsters, if just as dedicated, with good grip specific coaching, could indeed break a bunch of records. Really there is no reason for them to do this without the money though, especially as the tendons are often weaker than the muscles for them (high risk of injury). 

If you mean the competition , actually it happened. And the results are all online on youtube. 

Edited September 5, 2017 by Alawadhi

[Anemptybox]

On 2017-09-02 at 11:40 PM, temmmeeee said:

I definitely think Holle could if he was still active. There's a training log on here that said he closed a Tetting pro which is otherwise unheard of

The one with an average RGC at 252 according to Cannon's site? If so, holy hell. Too bad some of the strongest guys are the least active on the internet. It would be nice of Nathan to share some more videos.

[Alawadhi]

Just now, Anemptybox said:

The one with an average RGC at 252 according to Cannon's site? If so, holy hell. Too bad some of the strongest guys are the least active on the internet. It would be nice of Nathan to share some more videos.

I'll tell you here straight, don't believe  some closing a 252 rated gripper. A normal sized gripper. No way. If there was a 100% proof then ok (still hard to believe) but based on words, not here. Before anyone of the new guys joined, look up for Kim Wood and his "My Word is My Bond". That was a big BS. No word is a bond especially world class feats. Now people here says this and that can close a MMG9. Heck we don't know until someone closes it. That has a PRO spring. VERY HARD, but doable with the right training. 

[Fist of Fury]

Let's not make assumptions. As far as I know nobody has claimed to have closed a gripper rated at 252 lbs.

[Anemptybox]

Not saying Nathan has closed a RGC 252 gripper, just wondering if it's the same type that, according to Cannon, average 252. Of course Nathan's could've been rated much lower for all I know.

Edited September 4, 2017 by Anemptybox

[Fist of Fury]

If it's a Tetting "Pro" then it is a Tetting Pro and as all grippers they vary. Also, as Paul Savage pointed out it also depends on how hard the gripper is through the whole ROM. Rating grippers is good but it's not a flawless system.

[Paul Savage]

On 04/09/2017 at 0:58 PM, Alawadhi said:

If you mean the competition , actually it happened. And the results are all online on youtube. 

They have done really well at thickbar events and wide pinch events but have yet to do proper all around grip contest. Mighty mitts really doesn't count as the vast majority of events has hugely favoured large hands. The world grip championships we are on our way to now has silver bullet, axle deadlift, pinch block, hub, and one hand deadlift. That kind of contest I'd love to see top strongman and powerlifter compete at (Also contests such as king kong and worlds strongest hands). I think what you would find is they would do very well at axle and one hand deadlift but would lose points to the top guys on hub, pinch block and silver bullet so would not win overall. I've always said if you put David Horne vs Brian shaw in an all around contest, David wins, and the more events contested the more he wins by. All around brute strength takes you a certain way in all strength sports, but you have to be sport specific to be the best. Just my opinion.

[Alawadhi]

8 hours ago, Paul Savage said:

They have done really well at thickbar events and wide pinch events but have yet to do proper all around grip contest. Mighty mitts really doesn't count as the vast majority of events has hugely favoured large hands. The world grip championships we are on our way to now has silver bullet, axle deadlift, pinch block, hub, and one hand deadlift. That kind of contest I'd love to see top strongman and powerlifter compete at (Also contests such as king kong and worlds strongest hands). I think what you would find is they would do very well at axle and one hand deadlift but would lose points to the top guys on hub, pinch block and silver bullet so would not win overall. I've always said if you put David Horne vs Brian shaw in an all around contest, David wins, and the more events contested the more he wins by. All around brute strength takes you a certain way in all strength sports, but you have to be sport specific to be the best. Just my opinion.

Yes There was Axle, Grippers, Hub, Pinch, Anvil, grip machine and so on. It was very well rounded. To be fair and that's my opinion and I might be wrong. I place Chad Woodall more than David Horne in a comp. Chad went to mighty mitts although he did extremely some good but others were better. Of course Chad is much stronger now. And if there was serious money involved he will push even more.

[temmmeeee]

On 9/4/2017 at 8:34 AM, Alawadhi said:

I'll tell you here straight, don't believe  some closing a 252 rated gripper. A normal sized gripper. No way. If there was a 100% proof then ok (still hard to believe) but based on words, not here. Before anyone of the new guys joined, look up for Kim Wood and his "My Word is My Bond". That was a big BS. No word is a bond especially world class feats. Now people here says this and that can close a MMG9. Heck we don't know until someone closes it. That has a PRO spring. VERY HARD, but doable with the right training. 

There is that video of him casually repping a #4 for 7. And that was 4 years before the apparent pro close. Not sure about the exact RGC of the pro that the guy said he closed but I feel like it's not TOO farfetched based off of that. But yea I do see your point

[Squeezus]

Having the potential to do something and actually doing it are two different things. It is a smack in the face of all the Mash Monsters and Captains of Crush when people start equating "stories" about this guy and that guy who did x,y, and z in their garage alone at midnight, with actual feats done under controlled conditions with rules and judges.

If there is a crusher stronger than Morgan, they have yet to prove it. Talk is cheap.

[Hellraiser92x]

Isn't the ghp9 cert harder than mm8 cert?

Edited September 7, 2017 by Hellraiser92x

[Fist of Fury]

28 minutes ago, Hellraiser92x said:

Isn't the ghp9 cert harder than mm8 cert?

Yes for sure.

[Hellraiser92x]

In my opinion Valery tolstyh is the strongest crusher. I saw him doing a 232lbs gripper with 17,63mm choker for 2 reps, almost 3 in a video. And he certed with the ghp9.

[Fist of Fury]

8 minutes ago, Hellraiser92x said:

In my opinion Valery tolstyh is the strongest crusher. I saw him doing a 232lbs gripper with 17,63mm choker for 2 reps, almost 3 in a video. And he certed with the ghp9.

I'm inclined to agree. Also, he did a short silver bullet hold with the GHP10. That's absolutely crazy strong!

[Squeezus]

44 minutes ago, Hellraiser92x said:

In my opinion Valery tolstyh is the strongest crusher. I saw him doing a 232lbs gripper with 17,63mm choker for 2 reps, almost 3 in a video. And he certed with the ghp9.

Closing a choked gripper is considerably easier than a parallel set. I have closed a 223lbs gripper chokered to parralel in competition and I am nowhere near MM8. The GHP9 cert is incredible, but we don't know what that gripper rated, so it could technically be easier than the MM8. I don't want to take away from Valery, I think he is the only other person right now who can reasonably say that he could probably close the MM8. Anybody else has a long way to go in proving that they are near that strength level.

[Morgan]

36 minutes ago, Squeezus said:

Closing a choked gripper is considerably easier than a parallel set. I have closed a 223lbs gripper chokered to parralel in competition and I am nowhere near MM8. The GHP9 cert is incredible, but we don't know what that gripper rated, so it could technically be easier than the MM8. I don't want to take away from Valery, I think he is the only other person right now who can reasonably say that he could probably close the MM8. Anybody else has a long way to go in proving that they are near that strength level.

The ghp9 that Valery closed is 204.

Kashtanultra posted this video and you can check the RGC number at the description.

 

 

Edited September 7, 2017 by Morgan

[Fist of Fury]

If we assume that the MM8 is 210 lbs. The GHP cert will always be harder regardless of it's rating. Even if you're really lucky and get a low rated GHP9, let's say 201 lbs, that is still equally hard or harder from 38 mm block set than a parallel set close with a 210 lbs gripper.

 

[Geralt]

Okay okay, if no one wants to try, send them to me - stands up from the couch, dusts of his trousers - 

Has anyone ever considered approaching some of the big names from the past, like Holle and consorts, and ask them if they are interested in getting back into the sport? Where does Nathan Holle live, anyone know? For all I know the guy became a phantom after being covered on MILO and a while later the Ghp9 cert. I mean Paul Knight was strong, but I do think with the MM7 he was on top of his game, and just a few guys are above that. 

Edited September 8, 2017 by Geralt