Squeezus Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 (edited) There is a lot of frustration surrounding the nuance and rules for the hub and it's something that I think about a lot because I enjoy the hub lift. With this in mind I wanted to issue a sort of a challenge to see how important the convoluted rules for the two most popular hub sizes actually are. The rules for the IronMind Hub are here. The current record (as accepted by IronMind) is 90.16lbs by Harri Tolonen. The rules for the David Horne Shallow Hub can be found here. The current record is 67.3lbs by Pasi Mehtälä. Ignore those rule sets for a moment... I want to offer a reward to anyone that can break either of these records using the following simplified rule set: The lifter must use an unaltered hub and only magnesium carbonate chalk may be applied to the hands and device. This is a one handed lift. The lifters hand may not reach around or below the base plate or make contact with the inside surface of the hub. The hub must be lifted approximately level and neither the hub nor the lifting hand may make any contact with the body during the lift. The lift must be demonstrably greater than 7.5" (either using a crossbar or reference object to confirm lift height). The lift and total weight must be recorded on video. Note: I reserve the right to disqualify lifts for funny business, so no lifting with a magnet in your palm or hoisting the plates up with your foot, etc. I will send a Barrel Strength Systems t-shirt and a 50% off coupon for a DubHub to the first lifter to break each of these records. If the same lifter breaks both records, I will give them a FREE DubHub and shirt. Let's get to hubbing! Edited July 7, 2017 by Squeezus 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kluv#0 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 (edited) I believe this is a perfect (finger placement) example of how the hublift should conform within rules of both IM and David Horne world of grip. Marco Buhl on Youtube has a perfect demo on how a legit IM hublift looks like. The Finnish men not only do heavy weight on the various hubs but do it within the rules- not too complicated. Edited July 6, 2017 by Kluv#0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeezus Posted July 6, 2017 Author Share Posted July 6, 2017 28 minutes ago, Kluv#0 said: I believe this is a perfect (finger placement) example of how the hublift should conform with rules of both IM and David Horne world of grip https://www.instagram.com/p/BQn90KMAJ9uT19aNXzIhkWKPWIx9aO6mqaSBe40/ I can't view that link for some reason, but we're not worried about IM or David Horne rules, though. I want you to hold it however you think works best for you as long as you follow the super simple rules that I posted above. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kluv#0 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, Squeezus said: I can't view that link for some reason, but we're not worried about IM or David Horne rules, though. I want you to hold it however you think works best for you as long as you follow the super simple rules that I posted above. Oh, sorry about that. My goodness I can't come close to those monstrous lifts but good luck to anyone that can be in the area code of those two!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Honestly, I totally agree with your simple rules dude. People over complicate things. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acromegaman Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Over complicating or rule changing makes Jack a dull boy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 (edited) Genius Gil. For years there has been a ongoing rant going around the Pantke house of along the lines of. "If the V-bar style of lifting a hub is so darn good, why can't someone please show me how it's done, and pull 100# on a IM hub". Awesome man for doing this. Edited July 6, 2017 by Andrew P 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 6 minutes ago, Andrew P said: If the V-bar style of lifting a hub is so darn good, why can't someone please show me how it's done, and pull 100# on a IM hub". I feel that if they really didn't want this style, they should have made a shallow hub so it would be impossible. the rules should be really basic. grab above the base plate, only chalk, don't touch the inside of the hub etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KapMan Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 If i had a scale id try this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wobbler Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 I'm gonna brain dump some semi-legit stretching of those rules real quick. No hub contact with body, but what if your thumb hits your thigh to add a little more pressure. (Suggest no hub/hand/weight contact with body.) What about excessive spinning when you break it off the ground? Right handed, clockwise from above, I can squeak out a little better lift if I twist it first. (Suggest no rotation allowed at top of lift, or hold until rotation stops?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeezus Posted July 7, 2017 Author Share Posted July 7, 2017 9 hours ago, wobbler said: I'm gonna brain dump some semi-legit stretching of those rules real quick. No hub contact with body, but what if your thumb hits your thigh to add a little more pressure. (Suggest no hub/hand/weight contact with body.) What about excessive spinning when you break it off the ground? Right handed, clockwise from above, I can squeak out a little better lift if I twist it first. (Suggest no rotation allowed at top of lift, or hold until rotation stops?) Good call, "no hand or implement contact" would be better wording. Twisting is fine. Break those records! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucasraymond Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 Gil I like this idea...can we go back to the same basic rules with the sledge choke also? 😝 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 @Squeezus Gil, did anyone ever take you up on the challenge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wobbler Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 I always think the best way to cheat is to skirt a rule, or even break it and see if you get caught. I might set up a crossbar and try to get a good 7.5" lift with a lot of rotation. I think I could squeak out 60 on an ironmind hub. Not breaking any records but it's more than I could pull strict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeezus Posted October 24, 2017 Author Share Posted October 24, 2017 (edited) On 10/21/2017 at 3:27 PM, Andrew P said: @Squeezus Gil, did anyone ever take you up on the challenge? As I expected, nobody ever came forward with a record breaking lift using simplified rules. You heard it here first folks, the complicated rules for the hub are a waste of time. I will be modifying the rules for the DubHub to this simplified version. Edited October 24, 2017 by Squeezus 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Thanks man. We need more of this to start making things simpler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bencrush Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 On 7/6/2017 at 1:31 PM, Andrew P said: Genius Gil. For years there has been a ongoing rant going around the Pantke house of along the lines of. "If the V-bar style of lifting a hub is so darn good, why can't someone please show me how it's done, and pull 100# on a IM hub". Awesome man for doing this. I'm pretty sure I and probably a dozen other guys could pull 100lbs vbar style on a decent-textured IM Hub. Not the same lift of course, but when I was able to pull 300lbs+ on the 2" vbar I was able to pull 200lbs with just my index and middle finger with thumb wrapped around the very top part of the (FBBC) 2" vbar. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 2 hours ago, bencrush said: I'm pretty sure I and probably a dozen other guys could pull 100lbs vbar style on a decent-textured IM Hub. Not the same lift of course, but when I was able to pull 300lbs+ on the 2" vbar I was able to pull 200lbs with just my index and middle finger with thumb wrapped around the very top part of the (FBBC) 2" vbar. Ben, You could be right but no one I'm aware of stepped up and demonstrated that it could be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boulderbrew Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 3 hours ago, bencrush said: I'm pretty sure I and probably a dozen other guys could pull 100lbs vbar style on a decent-textured IM Hub. Not the same lift of course, but when I was able to pull 300lbs+ on the 2" vbar I was able to pull 200lbs with just my index and middle finger with thumb wrapped around the very top part of the (FBBC) 2" vbar. I pull over 300 on the 2” Vbar and I can’t lift over 100lbs on the hub using Vbar/doorknob grip. In fact I only pull a pound or two more using a doorknob grip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kluv#0 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 I saw this so went out and tried- My regular IM hub max is 77-78lb - doorknob was 85.6lb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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