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Mikael Siversson

We both know very well that DH is about as strong thumbless as he is with a regular grip in thickbar lifting. With established axle rules Mike would smoke DH and that's that. I have competed against DH and actually beat him in 2 out of 5 events so please don't lecture me. Not saying I would do it today but I did back in 2003. Pound for pound the greatest grip guy is Kody Burns.

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I've competed against Kalle and I've competed against several strength athletes of a world class standard: Brian Shaw (WSM winner who I equaled in a RT event), Mark Felix (better than me by some margi

Paul it seems you are speaking only from your emotions. Mikael is giving logic. It is okay to disagree but with reasons. You didn't provide a reason. He also explained how and why David is better thum

Burke versus Horne on any day during 2013 or 2014 would have been no contest. The Mighty Mitts contest in Ohio in March of 2014...Burke went 15 for 15 in the medley. He would not have had any experien

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No disrespect to Kody at all, he's very strong, as is burke but David has something like 20 national and above championship wins, often competing against guys a lot bigger than him. It really isnt close to be honest.

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Mikael Siversson

With the NAGS records lists we no longer really need to speculate much at all. Disregarding all the various obscure lifts that are not really widely contested it is clear that Kody is the pound for pound strongest. In what is regarded by just about all as the fairest of all events, and one invented by DH himself (with a bit of help from me), the Euro pinch, Kody is ahead of DH in both the 2HP and 1HP versions......at a lighter weight class!!!

To be regarded as the #1 overall pound-for-pound in the world of grip, and not just by his country fellowmen, DH would need to exceed Kody's big three (axle regular grip, block set grippers and the 2HP).

Right now I think it would be very close between the two overall if we added a wrist event as DH has very strong wrists, but he would need to outperform Kody significantly overall (as he competes in a heavier weight class) in order to be regarded as the superior athlete.

When all that is done he needs to go up against Jedd and dominate him in a medley style contest as well. As you can see there are a few obstacles to overcome. No one is disrespecting anyone here but we have to be able to critically evaluate performance. All these guys are at the very top of grip strength.

Burke would beat everyone overall but he is not at the level of the others pound-for-pound.

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What do you think would happen if you, say, had DH or any other of top grip guys go up against an elite level strongman competitor in a series of wrist strength events? Most of us probably don't realise how ridiculously strong and heavy-boned these individuals are. Kalle Lane for example outperformed DH in the table top wrist curl in competition and was about 50% stronger in supination/pronation than David Wigren....with just about zero event practising. We simply have to be happy with the fact that we are ahead of these guys on a pound-for-pound basis and not in absolute strength.

No disrespect to Kody at all, he's very strong, as is burke but David has something like 20 national and above championship wins, often competing against guys a lot bigger than him. It really isnt close to be honest.

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David would win against any strongman competitor in a all around grip comp and anybody else. It seems you have no real understanding of how well rounded david is. To give you an idea, in the last worlds strongest hands contest he had an extremely bad first event for him, placing 11th, this is very rare to say the least and im sure would not happen again if he competed in the same event, but he's so good he still managed to win the contest by a good margin, winning all other events. Understand were basically talking of the only real world championships we have in the sport, and he's crushing it even whilst having a really bad placing (for him) on an event in a four event comp. Obviously you know jedd is very strong and again no disrespect meant but the difference in points between david and jedd was 22, even with davids poor first event.

Again, he has something in the region of 20 total titles of either national, european or world, not to mention being the current worlds strongest hands champion. Incase you dont realise, theres nobody else that can match those numbers.

As for beating kodys total on those three events, he would do it easily, he is only 1. something kg behind on the pinch, well ahead on grippers, and i cant see any way he doesnt get a bunch out of using thumbs on an axle with how strong his thumbs are. I get a good bit out of using thumbs and i have weak thumbs and strong wrists.

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I could also set up a 'world's strongest hands competition', pick the events with care and beat almost all others including DH.

First event would be 1HP with as many 10k Eleiko plates as possible.

Event #2 would be the 1'' vertical bar lift.

Even though I weigh less than 74k almost everyone would find it extremely hard to beat me at this combination of events. DH winning a comp where he picks the events does not in itself say much and I truly hope you can understand that.

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Paul enjoy:)

Posted by Jim Wylie 2 Jan 2003 here on the GB (thread 'Inch Lift').

Dave does lift thick dumbbells in the thumbless style. All the lifts he's done on the inch bells have been performed in this style. We were doing some lifts on the rolling thunder last sunday and both got to about the same weight using the thumb over style. As soon as Dave reverted to his prefered thumbless style he ripped up the stack with an additional 5kg. He has got very strong wrists and this could have something to do with it unsure.gif

As for beating kodys total on those three events, he would do it easily, he is only 1. something kg behind on the pinch, well ahead on grippers, and i cant see any way he doesnt get a bunch out of using thumbs on an axle with how strong his thumbs are. I get a good bit out of using thumbs and i have weak thumbs and strong wrists.

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To me thumbless is more of a wrist event. Nothing wrong with that as long as it is not confused with 'thumb-over grip'.

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You couldn't being honest, and that's just not how it is. It is easy to assume this but not everybody is of the character to choose events to suit themselves and david certainly doesn't need to. He's came up with a lot of fantastic kit that very fairly tests the hands / wrists and that's what is used in his contests. Also he annouces the events very soon after the new year so everybody has plenty of time to train them (usually from jan-august).

As for thick handle dumbbells and rolling thunder, im aware, but that's much thicker than an axle.

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Mikael Siversson

If you want to be recognised as the top guy in grip you need to beat the opposition at their own game, preferably in their own backyard. Grippers with a block set, 2HP and axle double overhand deadlift are widely regarded as the three big events on the GB.

It is good that you show such strong support for David as he has done more than just about anyone to spread the sport of grip. However, many would disagree with your characterisation of him as unbeatable in grip.

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Even on just those three events, nobody beats him though. He is at super elite - #4 level on grippers, and from facebook message is already thinking of 200kg thumbless axle, so if peaked for comp even if he only got 10kg out of thumbs thats 210kg and i wouldnt be at all surprised to see more. Davids won european championships and champion of champions contest before he started doing his all around the world style contests. You don't get 20 combined titles at national to world level and set countless world records by choosing yourself good events. Is this also why liz is the best female? I put it down to knowledge and work ethic.

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What do you think would happen if you, say, had DH or any other of top grip guys go up against an elite level strongman competitor in a series of wrist strength events? Most of us probably don't realise how ridiculously strong and heavy-boned these individuals are. Kalle Lane for example outperformed DH in the table top wrist curl in competition and was about 50% stronger in supination/pronation than David Wigren....with just about zero event practising. We simply have to be happy with the fact that we are ahead of these guys on a pound-for-pound basis and not in absolute strength.

No disrespect to Kody at all, he's very strong, as is burke but David has something like 20 national and above championship wins, often competing against guys a lot bigger than him. It really isnt close to be honest.

I know you guys are talking about something completely different. But I just wanted to say that Kalle beat me with about 15 %, not a whopping 50 % lol. And I also had no event training. I had trained a bit of supination prior the comp but no pronation at all due to a wrist injury. I had no experience with the device. And I don't know if Kalle aquired the device before or after the comp, but I've seen him post training videos using it so I know he owns one.

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Mikael Siversson

David, he did managed 5kg after the comp and with both hands as I recall it. He had no idea where his max was (hence his lower comp result) so yes he was about 50% stronger than you (or 40-something). The point is he beat two wrist specialist (you in the sup/pron event and DH in table top wrist curl) with minimal event training.

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I'm pretty sure I could do 5 kg on that handle today now when I've actually trained my pronation strength. But then again Kalle has also been training on it so by now he's probably lifting heavier himself.

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mobsterone

I've competed against Kalle and I've competed against several strength athletes of a world class standard: Brian Shaw (WSM winner who I equaled in a RT event), Mark Felix (better than me by some margin in the same event - twice ha ha), Rob Frampton, Laurence Shahlaei (both of who have been in the WSM) and at least one more whose name escapes me at the mo. The last three have been equaled or beaten. Are they stronger than me generally speaking? Of course. They make me look like a child. Why did I, when I did, beat them? Because I did grip longer, harder and with more focus. IF they did the same they'd be better.

As for David: Beatable?? Of course. But he's consistently won more times than anyone else and against others who are in the same class as those I mentioned above. And Kody: One day all records will fall, his, Davids and mine. It is as it has always been.

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Mikael Siversson

Well right now David is not even on the NAGS lists for grippers (20mm block set) and the axle so this is all to a significant degree speculation (and a bit of hype on Paul's part). David would no doubt place very high in his weight class in those two events but as stated above right now we have no record of David's strength in two of the 'big three'. Does not sound this will change regarding the axle this year if they are not using NAGS rules (assuming thumb less is not allowed).

In my own case I have no record in the axle which bugs me a lot. I would also like to take the opportunity to praise Eric for his phenomenal performance in the 74k class. I am training very hard, never miss a workout and have been on a strict diet several years (to stay below 74k) and I still have not matched any of this results (grippers, 2HP and axle) in training.

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Paul it seems you are speaking only from your emotions. Mikael is giving logic. It is okay to disagree but with reasons. You didn't provide a reason. He also explained how and why David is better thumbless than none. You are saying and repeating he won over 20 nationals. And what has his wife Elizabeth do with how strong David is? It only means she is strong and David is a brilliant couch. Because his wife is super strong doesn't mean David is unbeatable. David is very strong grip guy. One of the strongest yes. But what you claim him being unbeatable is false. Steve Gardener also said even Kody records will fall one day. Hussain Rezazadeh record will fall one day (assuming Aleksey record of 264KG is not counted because he failed the drug test). RT records are falling. People who are champions will not be champions tomorrow. Again Paul, no one here is against you, but which you disagree you should give logical reason why not just because I said so.

On a side note, you said David is a #4 level. From where you got that info?

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Paul it seems you are speaking only from your emotions. Mikael is giving logic. It is okay to disagree but with reasons. You didn't provide a reason. He also explained how and why David is better thumbless than none. You are saying and repeating he won over 20 nationals. And what has his wife Elizabeth do with how strong David is? It only means she is strong and David is a brilliant couch. Because his wife is super strong doesn't mean David is unbeatable. David is very strong grip guy. One of the strongest yes. But what you claim him being unbeatable is false. Steve Gardener also said even Kody records will fall one day. Hussain Rezazadeh record will fall one day (assuming Aleksey record of 264KG is not counted because he failed the drug test). RT records are falling. People who are champions will not be champions tomorrow. Again Paul, no one here is against you, but which you disagree you should give logical reason why not just because I said so.

On a side note, you said David is a #4 level. From where you got that info?

I'm very confused on how you think i provided no logical reason, just look at contest results. He has by far had the best results of anybody to compete in the sport, 100% fact. Just because he hasnt competed in axle or calibrated grippers under certain rules doesn't mean anything in regards to his strength. I wasnt saying he was unbeatable, i said nobody beats him in an all around grip contest, as in he is currently at a higher level / proven this in contests to date. I also didnt say he is at #4 level, i said peaked he is between super elite and #4 level (20mm set). Edited by Paul Savage
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mobsterone

To be fair Paul you need to show how. Both of us have beaten David on Grippers but he's close. Axle? He has two good youtube videos which both show very good axle deadlifts. That's how you argue the point.

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To be fair Paul you need to show how. Both of us have beaten David on Grippers but he's close. Axle? He has two good youtube videos which both show very good axle deadlifts. That's how you argue the point.

Ah yes i didnt think of videos, honestly to me it's almost too obvious! An by the way, just want to point out, steve is by far the second most accomplished grip competitor ever, an maybe actually #1 in terms of those 3 events. If i remember correctly 117kg pinch, 205lb #4 gripper and 216kg axle all in competition. Do they realise that? Ill link this
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Mikael Siversson

Okay so let's summarise.

Allround grip strength.

#1 David Horne, UK

#2 Steve Gardner, UK

Did I get that right Paul? Btw are you #3 for a hat trick?

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Okay so let's summarise.

Allround grip strength.

#1 David Horne, UK

#2 Steve Gardner, UK

Did I get that right Paul? Btw are you #3 for a hat trick?

I am not. Just look at contest results, who else has had better results than either guy? An keep in mind steve would have won a lot more if not for david too. They are both very very VERY good and crazy deadicated to the sport / have been for a long time.

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No one is disputing that they are very good. Nonetheless Mike Burke would dominate DH and probably Steve as well in a grip contest based on the 'big three'. Mike would most likely beat DH by 20% or thereabouts in the axle and would probably beat DH in grippers as well as he has demonstrated extreme gripper strength by certifying on the #3.5 and I think he did so after a comp of some sort so DH doing this or that with a 20mm block will probably not be enough. Mike would most likely easily lift what is required in the 2HP to stay ahead.

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