Roark Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 Sir Snott, Not sure why you mentioned me; did I write something that indicated you had decided one way or another? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2strong Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 I disagree here. If you truly have the strength to close a gripper, the tricky part is lighting not keeping it shut. True, but I have noticed that when I'm just barely able to shut a gripper, the handles have a tendency to open up a mm after they have touched. When I can close a gripper fairly "easy" I'm able to hold the handles shut for a few sec. But if I need "100%" of my strength to close it, I will have a hard time to keep it shut. My friend who witnessed my first #3 closing, pointed out this to me. But this only occurs when I have to use all of my strength to close a gripper ( and I assume that Nathan was close to his limit when trying to close the #4 ?? ). But after my strength increased and my ability to close the/my #3 "comfortably" ( relatively speaking ) this is no longer a problem. I am the only one that have experienced this ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Piche Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 I am the only one that have experienced this ?? I could do multiple closes for at least 5 seconds each when I certified. So, I didn't have this problem. I waited to certify so there would be no miss and would be a formality with no risk. Heck, I even practiced in front of "pseudo" witnesses to get out of my normal workout environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybersnott Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 Roark, The second paragraph on page two of your post. You use the term, "...we all..." - as in me included (I'm not, and if that's the impression I gave sorry about that) - so I wanted to set the record straight, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 Good point; I should have written 'several'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybersnott Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 Just keeping you on your toes, Joe!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2strong Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 I could do multiple closes for at least 5 seconds each when I certified. So, I didn't have this problem. I waited to certify so there would be no miss and would be a formality with no risk. LOL... Sounds good to me. I closed the #3 gripper in front of Svend Karlsen a couple of times and he tried out my gripper etc...etc... then we went outside to take some pics... and you know what... I couldn't do it ! I tried and tried, but could only get the handles to 1mm Then I decided to try with my other ( left ) hand, and phew ! I managed to close it and get a good pic ( luckily my left hand is about the same strength as the right hand, because I train them equally hard ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Walker Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 2strong- I hear that. I missed it right a few times in front of Wade. I then grabbed er' left and mashed it down. Rick Walker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gripmaster316 Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 2Strong, how was Svend with the #3?? Close? Closed?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2strong Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 Yes... he was close, but could not shut the gripper completely ( he was about 5-8 mm away from closing it ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gripmaster316 Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 Ahhhh soooo close!! My idol almost closed it. He must use the grippers right??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsofStone Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 gripmaster, From what I've read, Svend doesn't train with grippers. Based on the other ways he trains his hands, It doesn't surprise me he was that close with #3. L.J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bseedot Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 Ahhhh soooo close!! My idol almost closed it. He must use the grippers right??? 5-8mm isn't that close. BC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tou Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 5-8 mm is not close at all. It is a BIG gap left on the #3. 1-2 mm is close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gripmaster316 Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 5mm isn't far, but I guess it isn't that close. However, if he doesn't train on the grippers, that is pretty darn good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bseedot Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 gripmaster316- You said, "True... but honestly whats the difference if you get your friends to witness this or someone you don't know?? As long as you close it in front of someone then you are certified", in this thread. It appears to me that your comments above are a perfect example of what others were talking about when disagreeing with your statement. Your hero, nothing wrong with that by the way, is "soooo close!!" at 5-8mm away when in reality, and objectively, 5-8mm is somewhere between hell and gone. So now you've been called on it and you've decided that 5-8mm isn't that close, yet you still yearn to mention the favorable light- that 5-8mm is still good if he doesn't train with grippers. It's called bias. BC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 Ask Heath if 1 mm can be far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGuy Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 The last 1 mm is so much harder that any distance of 1 mm before it it is the nature of grippers. Ask Tommy, Nathan, Heath, and Dave Morton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gripmaster316 Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 So now you've been called on it and you've decided that 5-8mm isn't that close, yet you still yearn to mention the favorable light- that 5-8mm is still good if he doesn't train with grippers. It's called bias. I am not going to say anything that will divulge any more controversy, so I will do the next best thing and ask you if you think that is a reasonably good attempt without training on grippers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 Yes, I think it is. When I used to have people try my grippers, I would ALWAYS say something like: "Now, close does not matter. The handles must touch. The difference between world class and a good grip is in the final 3/8" toward closing. So the challenge is to close the gripper completely, not partially." It does no good to make that statement AFTER they try. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bseedot Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 Yes, it is a good attempt. In fact, if it's true that he doesn't train grippers he'd probably mash that thing in short order if he wanted to. He may even already have the strength necessary and only needs to learn how to set it properly in his hand. BC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Van Weele Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 He may even alrady have the strength necessary and only needs to learn how to set it properly in his hand.BC. I think thats the case with alot of guys that get it down to that 3/8-1/4 ranger on their first tries with a heavy gripper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sybersnott Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 gripmaster314, You'll find out exactly how far away 1 mm is when you're trying to close a tough #3!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macaz Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 This was a great thread. I have to admit I was a bit skeptical. I bought Joes DVD and I like it, but it just seemed that his training would cripple anyone who followed it to the letter. It seems it may have given Joe some forearm problems after reading this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifesnotfair Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 I had read this a couple of times since I joined the board but never replied to it as I had nothing useful to add. I still don't, but now that it's been bumped back, I just wanted to add it's kindof cool to read what Heath had to say about his meeting with Kinney. And even though I've never met anyone, from his internet writings he seems like a very honest guy and I can understand why so many believe it if he does. Wannagrip made a good point back then: Heath must have spent those 4 hours with a "microscopic eye", and re-read your report if you have any doubts... it all matches with the belief that Kinney was a beast. Just my humble, worthless opinion, of course. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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