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How Many Of You Guys Believe Will Ever Close Coc#4 ?

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slazbob

I think it's all in who you ask: if you ask someone who can't quite close a no.2, he'd say "I'll never close the no.4." If you ask someone like mike Burke, he'd say "of course I can."

Healthy, smart, training will take you to your own personal heights. Where you end up is where your legend will rest. :)

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kasparov

Steroids might make you stronger, but could your hand take the insane pressure exerted by a number 4?

According to Wolff's Law, Yes!

The key factor being the amount of time it would take for the body to adapt and grow stronger.

BTW, steroids increase bone density to a degree along with many other things but this is as far

as I'll go with that subject. ;)

Great I didn't know that thanks!

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daniel reinard

I believe I could close a #4 in time. At one point, for quite some time, I just assumed the #3.5 was not in my cards, ever. I didn't limit myself I just assumed it was too beastly for me. Once you begin to close a #3 then try a #3.5 you get that feeling quickly. So now that I feel anything is possible for myself, yes I believe a #4 could go down assuming all the details are in place.

As it pertains to the question of if anyone can close a #4 with no experience...yes it is possible. I believe it unlikely though for one simple reason. The ratio of that level of "base" strength to the level of popularity of grippers is so low that it is unlikely that a #4 would just be in the right hand at the right time. We are seeing it now thoug, as grip popularity increases, so do the amount of phenoms in the sport.

I want to mention that Stephen is very likely to close a #4, soon. He closed a level 21 vulcan and is large enough to have such a base strength to make very quick gains. Keep an eye out for this guy.

About the steriods, I do believe talk about them is banned on this site. Just a heads up as I know it's a lesser known rule. I know people didn't mean harm by it.

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Anthony t

im going to some day i dont care what anybody says im going to grind those handles together like joe kinney did my #3 is getting easy i know it will take awhile but i will do it

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kasparov

im going to some day i dont care what anybody says im going to grind those handles together like joe kinney did my #3 is getting easy i know it will take awhile but i will do it

So did Joe Kinney grind those handles for real?

I mean I saw it in YouTube but it looks unbelievable, has the joe Kinney myth been busted or was that for real?

Don't mean to cause offense if just looked ridiculous grinding those handles.

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Mephistopholes

Two rules to keep in mind, guys.

1) no talk about steroids.

2) no talk about Joe Kinney.

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mightyjoe

Two rules to keep in mind, guys.

1) no talk about steroids.

2) no talk about Joe Kinney.

Mods are welcomed to remove my comment about the steroids. No harm intended and yes

it's against the rules. Sorry about that!

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Mephistopholes

Two rules to keep in mind, guys.

1) no talk about steroids.

2) no talk about Joe Kinney.

Mods are welcomed to remove my comment about the steroids. No harm intended and yes

it's against the rules. Sorry about that!

Hey no need to apologize to me. Haha. I'm just saying, for everybody's future reference...

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kasparov

Sure..but why is talking about joe Kinney banned? Or were you kidding?

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daniel reinard

There should be a pinned Joe Kinney thread with the title "all kinney talk here only". Lol.

Two rules to keep in mind, guys.

1) no talk about steroids.

2) no talk about Joe Kinney.

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Mikael Siversson

I will never close a #4. All I need to do to know that is looking at my progression curve.

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Wannagrip

Someone who has the potential to close the 4 won't even blink with respect to mastering a #3 gripper. They'll close it (3) in short order doing pretty much ANY routine. This is a guy who just might have the 4 potential. It's the same as someone who has the ability to bench press 500. The weight of 400 will have to come easy as pie first to this person.

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Mephistopholes

Sure..but why is talking about joe Kinney banned? Or were you kidding?

I was kidding... But, every time the name comes up, it gets ugly. So it's kind of an unwritten rule, I think.

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kasparov

Haha..ok fair enough..

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hellswindstaff

When Brooksfield closed the #3, it was considered a daunting task. Now everyone and their grandma has closed a #3... it's like the baseline for respectability(word?) in the grip community. I'm working on mastering the 2.5 now and before the end of this year should be closing the 3. I think that the #4 can be closed by those willing to take the mental handcuffs off, put in the work, be patience, and smart with their training.

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Jeremy C.

I agree that a small percent of people will close the #4 and perhaps superior genetics are needed, but if we don't believe

And go for it with 110% how will we know if we are one of those people. Personally I will never say I can't, I will do the best I can and let the cards fall where they may.

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climber511

I honestly can't see the #4 in my future. I've been lifting weights for going on 54 years now - did hard physical labor most of my life - been training my grip (towards climbing) for over 30 years - and training it for actual grip feats for a decade now. I don't really see the possibility of that kind of change in my gripper (or any other) strength at this point in my life. Even at my age I still manage a PR or two each year and hope to continue them for a few years yet but it gets harder and harder with each passing year.

I remember being young and believing I could do anything I set my mind to - and often did - and I have a pocket full of injuries to show for it all. My advice for all you young men is to take it slow and avoid injury at all costs - one big injury can be the end of all your dreams - and the training methods I see being used by many appear to me to be inviting disaster. No one seems to believe in building a huge base of all around forearm and wrist strength on which to build - many seem to start with all the advanced gripper training techniques and high volume until they "blow" and then disappear. Don't be one of them please.

OK - all at once now - "You're full of sh.. old man". But don't say I didn't warn you.

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Chez

Being a gripper guy, I have to chime in on this thread. I was very lucky when it came to grippers. The first time I tried heavy grippers with no prior grip training I was able to close a Coc #2.5 mms and I believe I would have been able to closed a gripper between a #2.5 and a #3 if I had one available. I trained my butt off and certified on the #3 with 8.5 months of dedicated training. During this period I figured out what works for me. Progress doesn't come as quickly anymore but I still make steady progress. My life goal is to mms close #4. I Truely believe in my heart I will accomplish that goal. It isn't a given though. I know that everything needs to go right for that to happen. I have to stay dedicated and train extremely hard. I also have to stay injury free. I think it's possible but I'm going to have to fight and claw to get there, but I enjoy that. I simply love the training and don't see it as work. I also won't put a time frame on this goal because I have learned that is impossible in grip. There is no way to predict when gains will happen.

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slazbob

I'd say there is more mms no.4 closers ...than ccs two finger no.3 closers. I feel it's way up there in strength.

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jvance

Someone who has the potential to close the 4 won't even blink with respect to mastering a #3 gripper. They'll close it (3) in short order doing pretty much ANY routine. This is a guy who just might have the 4 potential. It's the same as someone who has the ability to bench press 500. The weight of 400 will have to come easy as pie first to this person.

true, just like i will never squat 1,000.... it just aint gonna happen...the 4 is on or near the same level of relative difficulty

I honestly can't see the #4 in my future. I've been lifting weights for going on 54 years now - did hard physical labor most of my life - been training my grip (towards climbing) for over 30 years - and training it for actual grip feats for a decade now. I don't really see the possibility of that kind of change in my gripper (or any other) strength at this point in my life. Even at my age I still manage a PR or two each year and hope to continue them for a few years yet but it gets harder and harder with each passing year.

I remember being young and believing I could do anything I set my mind to - and often did - and I have a pocket full of injuries to show for it all. My advice for all you young men is to take it slow and avoid injury at all costs - one big injury can be the end of all your dreams - and the training methods I see being used by many appear to me to be inviting disaster. No one seems to believe in building a huge base of all around forearm and wrist strength on which to build - many seem to start with all the advanced gripper training techniques and high volume until they "blow" and then disappear. Don't be one of them please.

OK - all at once now - "You're full of sh.. old man". But don't say I didn't warn you.

definitely not full of it, Chris.... this is very true - the chasing of these nearly indomitable grip feats should be lifelong pursuits that take many years of careful, calculated training.. not a "race to the 4".... like Chris says it takes years of building a resilient and well-rounded foundation of all around tendon toughness and support strength before your hands can handle the abuse that 200#+ grippers put on your hands

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Hubgeezer

No.

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Paul Savage

I don't think genetics come into it for a 4 mms close, i think nigh on anybody can do that, just some much easier/quicker than others. For me it too years and years of day in day out grind, working my hands and wrists consistently in my job 6 days a week, sometimes year round with no holidays as well as a lot of specialised grip training and general weights training, week in week out. Also i dont feel performance enhancers come into it as much as people think as there's much more tendon strength involved than regular gym stuff.

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PeterSweden

Of course you will Tommy! No doubt!

How did you train with grippers? :)

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hellswindstaff

I honestly can't see the #4 in my future. I've been lifting weights for going on 54 years now - did hard physical labor most of my life - been training my grip (towards climbing) for over 30 years - and training it for actual grip feats for a decade now. I don't really see the possibility of that kind of change in my gripper (or any other) strength at this point in my life. Even at my age I still manage a PR or two each year and hope to continue them for a few years yet but it gets harder and harder with each passing year.

I remember being young and believing I could do anything I set my mind to - and often did - and I have a pocket full of injuries to show for it all. My advice for all you young men is to take it slow and avoid injury at all costs - one big injury can be the end of all your dreams - and the training methods I see being used by many appear to me to be inviting disaster. No one seems to believe in building a huge base of all around forearm and wrist strength on which to build - many seem to start with all the advanced gripper training techniques and high volume until they "blow" and then disappear. Don't be one of them please.

OK - all at once now - "You're full of sh.. old man". But don't say I didn't warn you.

I think that it's really sound advice and thank you for sharing. Everyone should really listen to it.

I personally do a lot of work on my connective tissue for preparatory work, prehab, and systemic deloads that last 1-2 weeks at the end of every training phase, which is generally every 4-6 weeks. My primary goal is to MMS the #3 and CCS the #2.5, but I have many secondary grip goals that aren't related to crush. I hope that I have enough common sense and patience to back off when I need it for my entire training career.

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kasparov

I'm finding it hard to wrap my head around Paul knight and Paul savage not being able to close a #1 at the start. How is that possible?

I just can't imagine going from finding a 1 difficult to actually closing a 4, the difference between the two is enormous. I could close a 1 off the bat but there is no way in the world id ever close a 4.

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