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if your elbow hyper-extends, why don't you just bend your elbow a little so that it is not on a hyperextended position and then perform the lever?

That's an uncomfortable and weaker position for me. I'm sure someone could say "Train it and it wont be your weak spot", but I don't care enough to fit to an arbitrary rule. I have always had a much larger ROM than most folks on most lifts, the sledge is no different. I can twist my arm a bit during a max lever and make my arm appear straight, but that's the best I'll bother to do.

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Zach, maybe one of us is missing something, but I think there is some confusion. Most everyone seems to do best with a little elbow bend to begin with. How far your elbow is able to bend past 180 shouldn't even factor into things.

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Eric, what happens is that a test of wrist strength is turned into a test of trying to get the right body position for some guys. I mean for you long limbed guys it works out nice.

Take this video-

This is Zachs. It would be silly to call this anything but a strict lever. But, in order to touch his face, his arm has to be straight. Hence why the hyperextension matters. In fact, Zach had to put the thing out to a darn crucifix to get it to touch his face, which makes it alot harder.

Compare this to my recent lever-

This is much closer to the standard via your definition (hell I think it passes) but it is an ugly lift. It was cake as far as wrist strength, but tough to hold right. This was probably my third take at that weight.

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Eric, what happens is that a test of wrist strength is turned into a test of trying to get the right body position for some guys. I mean for you long limbed guys it works out nice.

Take this video-

This is Zachs. It would be silly to call this anything but a strict lever. But, in order to touch his face, his arm has to be straight. Hence why the hyperextension matters. In fact, Zach had to put the thing out to a darn crucifix to get it to touch his face, which makes it alot harder.

Compare this to my recent lever-

This is much closer to the standard via your definition (hell I think it passes) but it is an ugly lift. It was cake as far as wrist strength, but tough to hold right. This was probably my third take at that weight.

Bob, I think I remember that exact video of Zach's being discussed as a specific example of how "strict" should *not* be used. The curious thing about that video, in light of what you and Zach are saying, is that his wrist and elbow are perfectly parallel at the moment it touches his head. He does not have to drop his wrist to get it to touch his head. He does, however, have to drop his wrist to get the hammer off his head.

Your video is a bit different, in that a parallel arm will put the hammer above your head. This is actually a legit case of what you're talking about, unlike Zach's video. The worry here is that the ROM will be shortened too much as there's no strong visual indicator that the short-armed person is moving the hammer far enough. But you don't seem to have a problem doing a full range of motion. In any case, there's no exact degree of motion we can hold a person to given other variables, even for those with sufficient arm length. So I don't see why the short-armed person is all that troublesome to the standard.

-Rex

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Mike, you'll be among the best in no time. 20 is one hell of a place to start.

I've finally got the "texas style" form down. Levering, unless done in the contests, is basically just an art form. Lots of fun.

Bob .. Seems like you were squared-up w/the hammer and had your shoulder retracted ... I think if you had your arm just a little to your side, tilted your head back just a little instead of forward and brought your shoulder out a bit, the hammer would contact your forehead instead of the handle ... know what I mean?

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Paul- If I go for a lever to the face, I can maybe get it if I tilt my head all the way back and push my shoulder ALL the way out. Any sort of heavy effort woul be impossible.

So Eric, my vid here is a good way to lever? Depending on where you count my elbow (With a little arm turn my elbow is where my forearm bulges), that is a good lift.

Zachs vid, if you watch, it looks like his elbow hyperextends with wrist effort.

I think a strict lever is best left like pornography- ie you know it when you see it.

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By the way, I'm just having fun with you guys, no mean spirit intended. I know these debates sometimes mix messages, but I'm just debating one of the things I like.

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I am such a nerd. Here is me going to the face with my 16-

I almost fell on my ass. Kinda wish I would have, would have made better footage.

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in the video,I hear someone say there is the michigan style hammer and texas style hammer.What is the guy talkin bout?

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I am such a nerd. Here is me going to the face with my 16-

I almost fell on my ass. Kinda wish I would have, would have made better footage.

yeah like that, but I can now see it's alot more troublesome for someone shorter or w/shorter arms - thanks Bob

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I'm not going to bother arguing anymore. There wont be a consensus, that much is apparent. I'd be happy to talk it over with anyone personally, but arguing on an open board is pointless.

in the video,I hear someone say there is the michigan style hammer and texas style hammer.What is the guy talkin bout?

"Texas style" is arbitrarily strict while "Michigan style" allows the movement to be fun and still easily judged...( :tongue Rex and Eric, all in good fun)

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i'm just proud that i finally found something grip related that i'm pretty good at.

LMAObiggrin.gif You have already accomplished in a very short period of time some EXTREMELY impressive grip related feats, particularly in the area of steel bending. Lets name a few:

IM red nail roster

Steel slayer list(hexabastard)

Reverse g8

1/2" x 12.5" braced bend(#3 in the world)

3/8x8" spike bend

12 0z hammer bend,

etc..

Very impressive feats!! You will close the CoC#3 and hub lift the 45, etc by next yearbuttrock.gif

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i'm just proud that i finally found something grip related that i'm pretty good at.

LMAObiggrin.gif You have already accomplished in a very short period of time some EXTREMELY impressive grip related feats, particularly in the area of steel bending. Lets name a few:

IM red nail roster

Steel slayer list(hexabastard)

Reverse g8

1/2" x 12.5" braced bend(#3 in the world)

3/8x8" spike bend

12 0z hammer bend,

etc..

Very impressive feats!! You will close the CoC#3 and hub lift the 45, etc by next yearbuttrock.gif

Thanks Carl, I guess I've never had alot of self confidence, thats all. And all the bending i have done i never really considered grip strength. I just really want to be able to compete at grip nationals next year, but it seems like such a long way off. I'll just keep pushing myself and see what happens. As long as we are having fun at what we do, that's all that counts.

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i'm just proud that i finally found something grip related that i'm pretty good at.

LMAObiggrin.gif You have already accomplished in a very short period of time some EXTREMELY impressive grip related feats, particularly in the area of steel bending. Lets name a few:

IM red nail roster

Steel slayer list(hexabastard)

Reverse g8

1/2" x 12.5" braced bend(#3 in the world)

3/8x8" spike bend

12 0z hammer bend,

etc..

Very impressive feats!! You will close the CoC#3 and hub lift the 45, etc by next yearbuttrock.gif

Thanks Carl, I guess I've never had alot of self confidence, thats all. And all the bending i have done i never really considered grip strength. I just really want to be able to compete at grip nationals next year, but it seems like such a long way off. I'll just keep pushing myself and see what happens. As long as we are having fun at what we do, that's all that counts.

Best thing anyone has said yet in this thread. Mike, you did an awesome feat. A 20lb hammer in any style is sick! Once this stops being fun, then why do it? The pay is crappy. :laugh

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Once this stops being fun, then why do it? The pay is crappy. :laugh

There's pay?

I'm going to make at least a G when I break the national weaver record tomorrow.

-Rex

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Once this stops being fun, then why do it? The pay is crappy. laughing.gif

There's pay?

I'm going to make at least a G when I break the national weaver record tomorrow.

-Rex

A big "G" for good job

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Once this stops being fun, then why do it? The pay is crappy. :laugh

There's pay?

I'm going to make at least a G when I break the national weaver record tomorrow.

-Rex

Was the record broken? Did you get your G? :D

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Once this stops being fun, then why do it? The pay is crappy. :laugh

There's pay?

I'm going to make at least a G when I break the national weaver record tomorrow.

-Rex

Was the record broken? Did you get your G? :D

I did. I bought some jewelry with it.

"She said she loved my necklace, started relaxin', now that's what the ---- I call a "chain reaction" ."

-Rex

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Let's talk horrible form. :blush Definitely need to work on this for Gripmas.

That was fine Mike. A bit iffy at the bottom, but the braced setups at competitions always allow for a bit of shoulder movement and a hair of dip. Basically, all the levers end up looking similar to that one :)

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Let's talk horrible form. :blush Definitely need to work on this for Gripmas.

That looked good to me, but i had a little dip also. It's going to be a great comp at Gripmas. I see the sledge being very competitive :mosher

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That was fine Mike. A bit iffy at the bottom, but the braced setups at competitions always allow for a bit of shoulder movement and a hair of dip. Basically, all the levers end up looking similar to that one :)

Sweet. That makes me feel a little better. I just don't want this one event to totally derail me at Gripmas.

That looked good to me, but i had a little dip also. It's going to be a great comp at Gripmas. I see the sledge being very competitive :mosher

Thanks Mike. I definitely need to get my numbers up if I want to be competitive. I'm not even close to you guys doing 20 lbs and above. The weights piled on top of the sledge head made it feel very top heavy. Harder than the 16lb sledge i did at HD the other day. I feel better about this, but let's face it, I'm no Rex Hubbard. :ohmy

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