MalachiMcMullen Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 if your elbow hyper-extends, why don't you just bend your elbow a little so that it is not on a hyperextended position and then perform the lever? That's an uncomfortable and weaker position for me. I'm sure someone could say "Train it and it wont be your weak spot", but I don't care enough to fit to an arbitrary rule. I have always had a much larger ROM than most folks on most lifts, the sledge is no different. I can twist my arm a bit during a max lever and make my arm appear straight, but that's the best I'll bother to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricMilfeld Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Zach, maybe one of us is missing something, but I think there is some confusion. Most everyone seems to do best with a little elbow bend to begin with. How far your elbow is able to bend past 180 shouldn't even factor into things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Lipinski Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Eric, what happens is that a test of wrist strength is turned into a test of trying to get the right body position for some guys. I mean for you long limbed guys it works out nice. Take this video- This is Zachs. It would be silly to call this anything but a strict lever. But, in order to touch his face, his arm has to be straight. Hence why the hyperextension matters. In fact, Zach had to put the thing out to a darn crucifix to get it to touch his face, which makes it alot harder. Compare this to my recent lever- This is much closer to the standard via your definition (hell I think it passes) but it is an ugly lift. It was cake as far as wrist strength, but tough to hold right. This was probably my third take at that weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Eric, what happens is that a test of wrist strength is turned into a test of trying to get the right body position for some guys. I mean for you long limbed guys it works out nice.Take this video- This is Zachs. It would be silly to call this anything but a strict lever. But, in order to touch his face, his arm has to be straight. Hence why the hyperextension matters. In fact, Zach had to put the thing out to a darn crucifix to get it to touch his face, which makes it alot harder. Compare this to my recent lever- This is much closer to the standard via your definition (hell I think it passes) but it is an ugly lift. It was cake as far as wrist strength, but tough to hold right. This was probably my third take at that weight. Bob, I think I remember that exact video of Zach's being discussed as a specific example of how "strict" should *not* be used. The curious thing about that video, in light of what you and Zach are saying, is that his wrist and elbow are perfectly parallel at the moment it touches his head. He does not have to drop his wrist to get it to touch his head. He does, however, have to drop his wrist to get the hammer off his head. Your video is a bit different, in that a parallel arm will put the hammer above your head. This is actually a legit case of what you're talking about, unlike Zach's video. The worry here is that the ROM will be shortened too much as there's no strong visual indicator that the short-armed person is moving the hammer far enough. But you don't seem to have a problem doing a full range of motion. In any case, there's no exact degree of motion we can hold a person to given other variables, even for those with sufficient arm length. So I don't see why the short-armed person is all that troublesome to the standard. -Rex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Knight Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Mike, you'll be among the best in no time. 20 is one hell of a place to start.I've finally got the "texas style" form down. Levering, unless done in the contests, is basically just an art form. Lots of fun. Bob .. Seems like you were squared-up w/the hammer and had your shoulder retracted ... I think if you had your arm just a little to your side, tilted your head back just a little instead of forward and brought your shoulder out a bit, the hammer would contact your forehead instead of the handle ... know what I mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Lipinski Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Paul- If I go for a lever to the face, I can maybe get it if I tilt my head all the way back and push my shoulder ALL the way out. Any sort of heavy effort woul be impossible. So Eric, my vid here is a good way to lever? Depending on where you count my elbow (With a little arm turn my elbow is where my forearm bulges), that is a good lift. Zachs vid, if you watch, it looks like his elbow hyperextends with wrist effort. I think a strict lever is best left like pornography- ie you know it when you see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Lipinski Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 By the way, I'm just having fun with you guys, no mean spirit intended. I know these debates sometimes mix messages, but I'm just debating one of the things I like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Lipinski Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 I am such a nerd. Here is me going to the face with my 16- I almost fell on my ass. Kinda wish I would have, would have made better footage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
layla Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 in the video,I hear someone say there is the michigan style hammer and texas style hammer.What is the guy talkin bout? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Knight Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 I am such a nerd. Here is me going to the face with my 16- I almost fell on my ass. Kinda wish I would have, would have made better footage. yeah like that, but I can now see it's alot more troublesome for someone shorter or w/shorter arms - thanks Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalachiMcMullen Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 (edited) I'm not going to bother arguing anymore. There wont be a consensus, that much is apparent. I'd be happy to talk it over with anyone personally, but arguing on an open board is pointless. in the video,I hear someone say there is the michigan style hammer and texas style hammer.What is the guy talkin bout? "Texas style" is arbitrarily strict while "Michigan style" allows the movement to be fun and still easily judged...( Rex and Eric, all in good fun) Edited September 26, 2009 by MalachiMcMullen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naturalstrength Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 i'm just proud that i finally found something grip related that i'm pretty good at. LMAO You have already accomplished in a very short period of time some EXTREMELY impressive grip related feats, particularly in the area of steel bending. Lets name a few: IM red nail roster Steel slayer list(hexabastard) Reverse g8 1/2" x 12.5" braced bend(#3 in the world) 3/8x8" spike bend 12 0z hammer bend, etc.. Very impressive feats!! You will close the CoC#3 and hub lift the 45, etc by next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpmmkrahling Posted September 26, 2009 Author Share Posted September 26, 2009 i'm just proud that i finally found something grip related that i'm pretty good at. LMAO You have already accomplished in a very short period of time some EXTREMELY impressive grip related feats, particularly in the area of steel bending. Lets name a few: IM red nail roster Steel slayer list(hexabastard) Reverse g8 1/2" x 12.5" braced bend(#3 in the world) 3/8x8" spike bend 12 0z hammer bend, etc.. Very impressive feats!! You will close the CoC#3 and hub lift the 45, etc by next year Thanks Carl, I guess I've never had alot of self confidence, thats all. And all the bending i have done i never really considered grip strength. I just really want to be able to compete at grip nationals next year, but it seems like such a long way off. I'll just keep pushing myself and see what happens. As long as we are having fun at what we do, that's all that counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bullitt Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 i'm just proud that i finally found something grip related that i'm pretty good at. LMAO You have already accomplished in a very short period of time some EXTREMELY impressive grip related feats, particularly in the area of steel bending. Lets name a few: IM red nail roster Steel slayer list(hexabastard) Reverse g8 1/2" x 12.5" braced bend(#3 in the world) 3/8x8" spike bend 12 0z hammer bend, etc.. Very impressive feats!! You will close the CoC#3 and hub lift the 45, etc by next year Thanks Carl, I guess I've never had alot of self confidence, thats all. And all the bending i have done i never really considered grip strength. I just really want to be able to compete at grip nationals next year, but it seems like such a long way off. I'll just keep pushing myself and see what happens. As long as we are having fun at what we do, that's all that counts. Best thing anyone has said yet in this thread. Mike, you did an awesome feat. A 20lb hammer in any style is sick! Once this stops being fun, then why do it? The pay is crappy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twig Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 Once this stops being fun, then why do it? The pay is crappy. There's pay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 Once this stops being fun, then why do it? The pay is crappy. There's pay? I'm going to make at least a G when I break the national weaver record tomorrow. -Rex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Knight Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 Once this stops being fun, then why do it? The pay is crappy. There's pay? I'm going to make at least a G when I break the national weaver record tomorrow. -Rex A big "G" for good job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bullitt Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 Once this stops being fun, then why do it? The pay is crappy. There's pay? Big money here in the states mate. Hasn't anyone told you Brits yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bullitt Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Once this stops being fun, then why do it? The pay is crappy. There's pay? I'm going to make at least a G when I break the national weaver record tomorrow. -Rex Was the record broken? Did you get your G? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Once this stops being fun, then why do it? The pay is crappy. There's pay? I'm going to make at least a G when I break the national weaver record tomorrow. -Rex Was the record broken? Did you get your G? I did. I bought some jewelry with it. "She said she loved my necklace, started relaxin', now that's what the ---- I call a "chain reaction" ." -Rex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Rex's chain game is sic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bullitt Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Let's talk horrible form. Definitely need to work on this for Gripmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalachiMcMullen Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Let's talk horrible form. Definitely need to work on this for Gripmas. That was fine Mike. A bit iffy at the bottom, but the braced setups at competitions always allow for a bit of shoulder movement and a hair of dip. Basically, all the levers end up looking similar to that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpmmkrahling Posted October 6, 2009 Author Share Posted October 6, 2009 Let's talk horrible form. Definitely need to work on this for Gripmas. That looked good to me, but i had a little dip also. It's going to be a great comp at Gripmas. I see the sledge being very competitive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bullitt Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 That was fine Mike. A bit iffy at the bottom, but the braced setups at competitions always allow for a bit of shoulder movement and a hair of dip. Basically, all the levers end up looking similar to that one Sweet. That makes me feel a little better. I just don't want this one event to totally derail me at Gripmas. That looked good to me, but i had a little dip also. It's going to be a great comp at Gripmas. I see the sledge being very competitive Thanks Mike. I definitely need to get my numbers up if I want to be competitive. I'm not even close to you guys doing 20 lbs and above. The weights piled on top of the sledge head made it feel very top heavy. Harder than the 16lb sledge i did at HD the other day. I feel better about this, but let's face it, I'm no Rex Hubbard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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