Cannon Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Lucky draw for the WR attempts! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
closeable Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 how do you know rating on grippers ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cemery Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 how do you know rating on grippers ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gm1swm Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Back on topic...I have a new #3 that I bought awhile back from cannon. TNS'ed it right out of the package...I suspect it's around 145. Looking at it, the spring appears a bit odd. Very distinct non dogleg side... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel reinard Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Lucky draw for the WR attempts! I want to cert the #3 on one of those! Or do the bullet! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 how do you know rating on grippers ? In kilkkinens list there is pre-set values for average Captains of Crush grippers. Example Rating 1.00 is 37,5kg/82,67lbs and rating 2.00 is 50kg/110,23lbs. When you have a gripper that is measured to be 40kg, it's rating is ( 40-37,5) / (50-37,5) + 1 = 2,5/12,5 + 1 = 1,20. So rating is based on these pre-set values and their ratio to measured gripper. These pre-set values are not the exact averages of measurements anymore as it was long time ago when these values were set and there was a lot fewer calibrations made. But they are still quite close to exact averages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Gray Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 November 20, I saw on the Lee Hayward Website sale of HG Grippers. In summary I replied that I have several HG Grippers (as well as several CofC grippers) and I feel that the HG grippers are high quality, but the the big problem that I have with both HG and CofC grippers is their method of advertising. The HG 100 is not 100 lb. but 48 lb. The HG 150 is not 150 lb. but 65 lb. The HG 200 is not 200 Lb. but 94 lb., etc. (The advertised rating of the CofC is just as bad) . (I said go to WWW.grippersuperstore.com, look at RGC Ratings, type in Manufacturer, then Gripper Model, for correct rating - however this part was edited out of my comments) Lee Hayward's reply was: "The tension of a spring depends on where you measure it. The heavy grips tension is measured mid handle. But if you were to measure the tension at the end of the handle it would be lower due to leverage. The longer the lever the easier it is to close. If you could extend the handles even longer again there would be less tension." Question: Should the tension be measured at mid handle, or at the end of the handle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannon Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 The published manufacturer ratings are fine. In HGs case, they basically picked names. Sure they probably came up with the pulished numbers somehow, but to include them in the name of the gripper is unique. Instead of HG200 they could have called it the "Bezerker" or whatever. There is no "should", only "can". That's not meant to sound like a Yoda quote. I'm just saying that any method has lots of flaws, including (and maybe especially) RGC ratings. There isn't really a way it "should" be done. The end of the handle is nice becuase, as pointed out, the poundage is lower. When you're rating hundreds of grippers every year, this matters. Also, all grippers have ends of handles. It's a very repeatable and consistent way to place the strap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannon Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 how do you know rating on grippers ? In kilkkinens list there is pre-set values for average Captains of Crush grippers. Example Rating 1.00 is 37,5kg/82,67lbs and rating 2.00 is 50kg/110,23lbs. When you have a gripper that is measured to be 40kg, it's rating is ( 40-37,5) / (50-37,5) + 1 = 2,5/12,5 + 1 = 1,20. So rating is based on these pre-set values and their ratio to measured gripper. These pre-set values are not the exact averages of measurements anymore as it was long time ago when these values were set and there was a lot fewer calibrations made. But they are still quite close to exact averages. I would like to note that this conversion is unnecessary and undesireable. It's builds in an arbitrary number to the calculation. The actual rating is the more relevant and useful information. For the most part, this conversion has been abandoned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedd Johnson Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 November 20, I saw on the Lee Hayward Website sale of HG Grippers. In summary I replied that I have several HG Grippers (as well as several CofC grippers) and I feel that the HG grippers are high quality, but the the big problem that I have with both HG and CofC grippers is their method of advertising. The HG 100 is not 100 lb. but 48 lb. The HG 150 is not 150 lb. but 65 lb. The HG 200 is not 200 Lb. but 94 lb., etc. (The advertised rating of the CofC is just as bad) . (I said go to WWW.grippersuperstore.com, look at RGC Ratings, type in Manufacturer, then Gripper Model, for correct rating - however this part was edited out of my comments) Lee Hayward's reply was: "The tension of a spring depends on where you measure it. The heavy grips tension is measured mid handle. But if you were to measure the tension at the end of the handle it would be lower due to leverage. The longer the lever the easier it is to close. If you could extend the handles even longer again there would be less tension." Question: Should the tension be measured at mid handle, or at the end of the handle? No disrespect to Lee, but he is involved in grippers in a marketing sense, not in the sport of Grip. What we are doing here is fine and the best way to do it for our purposes. The numbers do indeed cause confusion, but it only takes a few minutes to explain this confusion away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightyjoe Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 COC Trainer, Double Stamp #'s, No COC = 56.6 lbs. COC #1, Double Stamp #'s, No COC = 82.2 lbs. COC #1 = 76.4 lbs. Single Stamp #2 = 116.8 lbs. BB Master (2.875" handle spread) = 117.4 lbs. Note: Hardest Master gripper I've ever felt! COC 2.5 = 123.4 lbs. BB Grand Master Adjustable w/ Filed handle for BTR = 137.2 lbs. @ 5/16" mounting depth Notes: All grippers except BB Master (seasoned 20 chest crushes) were well seasoned from prior use. All gripper springs were oiled prior to rating. All grippers were rated 3 times for accuracy. No allowance for residual memory (RM). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerryg Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Tetting Super Elite 183 pounds, rated by Matt Cannon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannon Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I knew that Master would be tough, Joe. The only harder one I know of is a 123# Master that I've got. I've always meant to check if it's a mistakenly stamped SM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightyjoe Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I knew that Master would be tough, Joe. The only harder one I know of is a 123# Master that I've got. I've always meant to check if it's a mistakenly stamped SM. Not only is it tough but it's a BEAUTIFUL gripper! Thanks again Matt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephistopholes Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Guess I should put mine here, now that I have rated grippers Rated by Matt Cannon: Tetting Super Master: 117 lbs. Tetting Grand Master : 148 lbs. Joe, looks like my Super Master and your Master came out about the same! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvance Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 November 20, I saw on the Lee Hayward Website sale of HG Grippers. In summary I replied that I have several HG Grippers (as well as several CofC grippers) and I feel that the HG grippers are high quality, but the the big problem that I have with both HG and CofC grippers is their method of advertising. The HG 100 is not 100 lb. but 48 lb. The HG 150 is not 150 lb. but 65 lb. The HG 200 is not 200 Lb. but 94 lb., etc. (The advertised rating of the CofC is just as bad) . (I said go to WWW.grippersuperstore.com, look at RGC Ratings, type in Manufacturer, then Gripper Model, for correct rating - however this part was edited out of my comments) Lee Hayward's reply was: "The tension of a spring depends on where you measure it. The heavy grips tension is measured mid handle. But if you were to measure the tension at the end of the handle it would be lower due to leverage. The longer the lever the easier it is to close. If you could extend the handles even longer again there would be less tension." Question: Should the tension be measured at mid handle, or at the end of the handle? I have the HG300 and 350, and they seem abnormally hard - I am closer to closing the GHP 8 than the 350, and the 300 is just as hard as my 3 - with a much more narrow spread. I am looking to have my collection calibrated and I'm very curious to see how these HGs stack up to some of the other numbers around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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 Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 For Zenith and IronMind Tug's we can use same device! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdckr Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 #3 -- 150 lbs #3 -- 154.57 lbs #3 -- 154.78 lbs MM1 dup -- 151 lbs MM2 dup -- 157 lbs RB210 -- 132.82 lbs RB240 -- 144.41 lbs BBE (narrow) -- 145.70 lbs #4 -- 219.76 lbs all rated by Matt Canon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjaminBoy Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 GHP 7 153 lbs #3 150 lbs #2.5 129 lbs BBM 94 lbs BBSM 125 lbs BBGM 148 lbs king kong 127 lbs all by cannon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat 74 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Mine are rated by Chris Rice Hard 2 - 114.5 Filed HG 300 - 136 weak 3 - 139cert 3 - 143.14 Hard 3 - 149 Cut GM – 156 GHP 7 - 157.04 RB 330N – 165 weak BBEE - 165.8 Cut BBE – 168 Hard BBE – 175.2 Filed 3.5 - 177.29GHP 8 - 177.29 RB 365N – 182 SE - 192.29 Super Elite - 194.05Single Stamp 4 - 196.5 RB 400N - 210 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvance Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 My current gripper collection Rated by Chris Rice All grippers cleaned, oiled, and seasoned prior to calibration: GHP 5 - 107.5 COC 2 - 108.5 Tetting Super Master - 122.7 COC 2.5 - 125.2 HG300 - 149 COC 3 - 149 GHP 7 - 154 RB300N - 156.5 Tetting Elite - 163* (rated by Matt Cannon) GHP 8 - 178 COC 3.5 - 184.6 HG350 - 186.75 COC 4 - 215.75 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilkkinen Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Harri Mannelas grippers calibrated- Harri Mannela IM #3 ( 2003/05 ) / 72.5kg / 160.05lbs / rating = 3.17- Harri Mannela IM #4 ( 2003/05 ) 98.5kg / 217.14 / rating = 4.14Total 863 + 16 Vulcania Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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 Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Super Heavy Duty Iron Man Gripper - calibrated 78.9kg ( like CoC ~ 3.40 ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephistopholes Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 All calibrated by Matt Cannon: GHP 6 - 137 Tetting Elite - 163 CoC #3.5 - 181 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Is there one long organized list gathering all of these ratings in one place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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