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Does a 2:1 barrier exist (I just read this in the above post, does this exist for non juiced dudes?)?

According to Joe Roark (strength historian, member of this board) it is very hard to go beyond that ratio. I guess it is based on statistics he collected. I also don't think Joe ever evoked 'performance enhancement drugs' when he made this statement, i added it ;)

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As jw7 mentioned "body mass", this is why I wanted originally to have a BMI or Waist

measurment factored into this discussion. Maybe we can add Biceps size as a relevant

data point later. In a perfect world, assumed for this discussion, there would be

only NATURAL participants, per amaury's post.

Also, the missing measurements on Coc#3 and twig and others would help us to get a

clearer picture of these relationships.

-------------------------FArm/Wrist----Wrist---FArm---Waist--Gripper Closed----------------------Hand Size----

  1. Coc#3-----------------1.939-------8.25---16.00---????---?????---------------------------------????
  2. twig------------------1.933-------7.50---14.50---????---RB 210(Table No Set)------------------8.00
  3. HellMagic-------------1.885-------6.10---11.50---32.7---COC #2.5------------------------------????
  4. The Writer------------1.867-------7.50---14.00---36.0---HG 200(No Set)------------------------7.25
  5. jw7-------------------1.852-------6.75---12.50---????---COC #2.5(No Set)----------------------7.19
  6. amaury----------------1.794-------6.80---12.20---31.5---COC #3(|| set)------------------------????
  7. Jeff T----------------1.793-------7.25---13.00---43.5---RB 240(|| Set)------------------------7.25
  8. Autolupus-------------1.793-------7.25---13.00---37.0---COC #2.5(Table No Set left & right)---7.50
  9. Wes-------------------1.781-------8.00---14.25---35.0---BBSE(Set) & BBE(No Set)---------------7.75
  10. PrgSkidmark-----------1.724-------7.25---12.50---35.0---COC #1(23 RH & 17 LH)-----------------7.50
  11. crobb1320-------------1.714-------7.00---12.00---31.0---COC #2--------------------------------7.25
  12. superfeemiman---------1.676-------7.40---12.40---38.0---COC #2(No Set)------------------------7.75
  13. dimmers---------------1.673-------6.88---11.50---31.5---COC #2--------------------------------7.25
  14. spahn ranch-----------1.655-------7.40---12.25---36.0---COC #2.5(MMS)-------------------------8.25
  15. Bonzi-----------------1.643-------7.00---11.50---36.0---COC #1--------------------------------8.00
  16. lone wolf-------------1.585-------7.81---12.38---34.0---COC #2--------------------------------7.25
  17. vikingsrule92---------1.571-------7.00---11.00---31.0---COC #2--------------------------------7.75

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Are the dimensions of the forearms influenced more by the size of the wrist?

http://www.naturalstrength.com/history/det...p?ArticleID=602

This Article says the opposite... the wrist depend on forearm size.

http://www.gripboard.com/index.php?showtopic=23250

Hand: 7,65''

Wrist: 6,9''

Forearm: 12''

Gripper: HG200 no set reps

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-------------------------FArm/Wrist----Wrist---FArm---Waist--Gripper Closed----------------------Hand Size----

  1. Coc#3-----------------1.939-------8.25---16.00---????---?????---------------------------------????
  2. twig------------------1.933-------7.50---14.50---????---RB 210(Table No Set)------------------8.00
  3. HellMagic-------------1.885-------6.10---11.50---32.7---COC #2.5------------------------------????
  4. The Writer------------1.867-------7.50---14.00---36.0---HG 200(No Set)------------------------7.25
  5. jw7-------------------1.852-------6.75---12.50---????---COC #2.5(No Set)----------------------7.19
  6. Pete1006--------------1.800-------7.50---13.50---34.0---MM2 Replica(approx 3.2)---------------7.50
  7. amaury----------------1.794-------6.80---12.20---31.5---COC #3(|| set)------------------------????
  8. Jeff T----------------1.793-------7.25---13.00---43.5---RB 240(|| Set)------------------------7.25
  9. Autolupus-------------1.793-------7.25---13.00---37.0---COC #2.5(Table No Set left & right)---7.50
  10. Wes-------------------1.781-------8.00---14.25---35.0---BBSE(Set) & BBE(No Set)---------------7.75
  11. Condor----------------1.739-------6.90---12.00---????---HG 200(No Set Reps)-------------------7.65
  12. PrgSkidmark-----------1.724-------7.25---12.50---35.0---COC #1(23 RH & 17 LH)-----------------7.50
  13. crobb1320-------------1.714-------7.00---12.00---31.0---COC #2--------------------------------7.25
  14. superfeemiman---------1.676-------7.40---12.40---38.0---COC #2(No Set)------------------------7.75
  15. dimmers---------------1.673-------6.88---11.50---31.5---COC #2--------------------------------7.25
  16. spahn ranch-----------1.655-------7.40---12.25---36.0---COC #2.5(MMS)-------------------------8.25
  17. Bonzi-----------------1.643-------7.00---11.50---36.0---COC #1--------------------------------8.00
  18. lone wolf-------------1.585-------7.81---12.38---34.0---COC #2--------------------------------7.25
  19. vikingsrule92---------1.571-------7.00---11.00---31.0---COC #2--------------------------------7.75

Just for a little fun, I see HellMagic and amaury producing the biggest gains in the short-term.

No offense to others, but just my guess from the numbers and assuming a committment to

grip training. I made this forecast looking at their waist, wrist and forearm measurements.

BTW, I think that Age, if used in the equation, would make little to no difference on the outcomes.

P.S. I am not an actuary by trade and don't even play one on TV. :mosher

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Bonzi,

Since I included my LH stats should I have taken the average of my left and right arms?

Also, I am left handed. I have always worked for more strength in my RH because of handshaking. My left hand can do other things that my right hand cannot. It has better dexterity, can extend with more strength, and the pinky is more useful and strong. Because I just got back into grip training after more than 5 years away my strength is gaining. At the end of July the COC #1 was 8 for RH and 6 for LH. And I'm diversifying my exercises more everyday.

I like this thread.

TTYL, Doug

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Bonzi,

Since I included my LH stats should I have taken the average of my left and right arms?

Also, I am left handed. I have always worked for more strength in my RH because of handshaking. My left hand can do other things that my right hand cannot. It has better dexterity, can extend with more strength, and the pinky is more useful and strong. Because I just got back into grip training after more than 5 years away my strength is gaining. At the end of July the COC #1 was 8 for RH and 6 for LH. And I'm diversifying my exercises more everyday.

I like this thread.

TTYL, Doug

PrgSkidmark Posted Yesterday, 07:01 PM,

COC# 1 for 23 RH for 17 LH.

Which are your current numbers?

Averaging is not necessary for the measurements.

Glad that you like the thread and it at least gives members a measuring stick

against the gripmasters on here.

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PrgSkidmark Posted Yesterday, 07:01 PM,

COC# 1 for 23 RH for 17 LH.

Which are your current numbers?

Averaging is not necessary for the measurements.

Glad that you like the thread and it at least gives members a measuring stick

against the gripmasters on here.

I cranked out those reps before I posted to make sure. Since average is not necessary I will not.

Thanks and TTYL, Doug

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Also, the missing measurements on Coc#3 and twig and others would help us to get a

clearer picture of these relationships.

I have a 38'' waist and my best gripper close is an RB330 which i rate at 3.8

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Out of curiousity...

This thread was me wondering the following:

Are the dimensions of the forearms influenced more by the size of the wrist? Or is the upper arm the determining factor for "mazimum size"?

In other words, what actually (if anything) limits the amount of growth for the forearms? I understand that overal body mass is a determining factor, but I have seen (as I'm sure others have) guys with huge arms from shoulder to hand while not being overall large dudes. So is there something that will slow down those who are seeking bigger stronger forearms (like me :blush)? Or is it just a matter of training to break down the "wall"? Does a 2:1 barrier exist (I just read this in the above post, does this exist for non juiced dudes?)? Just got me thinking...

P.S. Sam's above mentioned ni 2:1 ratio (huge arms by the way :whacked ) started my thinking.

Interesting.

I'm sure many juiced trainees can exceed this. Lee Priest easily exceeds 2:1.

If you are heavier your forearms will be bigger. Mine would probabaly be around 18'' if i got to 300lbs, for example. So in that case i think i could exceed 2:1 (maybe) but a lot of the added weight would be fat. At the moment i weigh about 245lbs.

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-------------------------FArm/Wrist----Wrist---FArm---Waist--Gripper Closed----------------------Hand Size----

  1. Coc#3-----------------1.939-------8.25---16.00---38.0---RB 330(approx 3.8)--------------------8.00
  2. twig------------------1.933-------7.50---14.50---????---RB 210(Table No Set)------------------8.00
  3. HellMagic-------------1.885-------6.10---11.50---32.7---COC #2.5------------------------------????
  4. The Writer------------1.867-------7.50---14.00---36.0---HG 200(No Set)------------------------7.25
  5. jw7-------------------1.852-------6.75---12.50---????---COC #2.5(No Set)----------------------7.19
  6. Pete1006--------------1.800-------7.50---13.50---34.0---MM2 Replica(approx 3.2)---------------7.50
  7. amaury----------------1.794-------6.80---12.20---31.5---COC #3(|| set)------------------------????
  8. Jeff T----------------1.793-------7.25---13.00---43.5---RB 240(|| Set)------------------------7.25
  9. Autolupus-------------1.793-------7.25---13.00---37.0---COC #2.5(Table No Set left & right)---7.50
  10. Wes-------------------1.781-------8.00---14.25---35.0---BBSE(Set) & BBE(No Set)---------------7.75
  11. Condor----------------1.739-------6.90---12.00---????---HG 200(No Set Reps)-------------------7.65
  12. PrgSkidmark-----------1.724-------7.25---12.50---35.0---COC #1(23 RH & 17 LH)-----------------7.50
  13. crobb1320-------------1.714-------7.00---12.00---31.0---COC #2--------------------------------7.25
  14. superfeemiman---------1.676-------7.40---12.40---38.0---COC #2(No Set)------------------------7.75
  15. dimmers---------------1.673-------6.88---11.50---31.5---COC #2--------------------------------7.25
  16. spahn ranch-----------1.655-------7.40---12.25---36.0---COC #2.5(MMS)-------------------------8.25
  17. Bonzi-----------------1.643-------7.00---11.50---36.0---COC #1--------------------------------8.00
  18. lone wolf-------------1.585-------7.81---12.38---34.0---COC #2--------------------------------7.25
  19. vikingsrule92---------1.571-------7.00---11.00---31.0---COC #2--------------------------------7.75

Please, for standardization purposes, use:

  • actual waist size at largest circumference and not pant size
  • forearm measured with arm straight and wrist not cranked(fist clenched is OK)
  • hand size measured from first crease of wrist to then end of middle finger

Thanks for the update Sam. Hand measurement??

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Here's a curve ball... how about finger length vs. palm length? Do people with longer fingers have an advantage or do people with longer palms. Maybe FINGER LENGTH / TOTAL HAND as a % compared to PALM LENGTH / TOTAL HAND as a %. :whistel

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Here's a curve ball... how about finger length vs. palm length? Do people with longer fingers have an advantage or do people with longer palms. Maybe FINGER LENGTH / TOTAL HAND as a % compared to PALM LENGTH / TOTAL HAND as a %. :whistel

We also have to make sure it's standarized. I.E. palm is considered first crease of wrist to first crease in middle finger and finger length is considered first crease in middle finger to the end of the middle finger.

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Here's a curve ball... how about finger length vs. palm length? Do people with longer fingers have an advantage or do people with longer palms. Maybe FINGER LENGTH / TOTAL HAND as a % compared to PALM LENGTH / TOTAL HAND as a %. :whistel

We also have to make sure it's standarized. I.E. palm is considered first crease of wrist to first crease in middle finger and finger length is considered first crease in middle finger to the end of the middle finger.

And I thought I had no life...

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Okay... so going into this much detail may be crazy obsessive, but we're all kinda crazy about grip stuff so what does it matter :D . Besides, I have actually wondered about what percentage of the hand other "gripsters" have for fingers versus palm. I mean, information like this is never to be used as an excuse for not being strong anyway... but it does satisfy curiousity. Doing that's never tooo much of a waste I think... :whistel

Well anyway, here are my numbers if Bonzi is interested in adding this column:

Once again Hand: 7.19 (checked again, still small :angry:, only larger if I cheat measure :shifty )

Palm: 4.13 (wrist crease to middle finger crease)

Fingers: 3.06 (middle finger crease till end)

To make life easier--> Palm%:0.57 Finger%:0.43 All numbers are rounded for ease.

~Jw

By the way... great work on the table Bonzi. I find this thread very interesting. If you want to leave out finger/palm, no prob. Just ignore above :blush

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Here's a curve ball... how about finger length vs. palm length? Do people with longer fingers have an advantage or do people with longer palms. Maybe FINGER LENGTH / TOTAL HAND as a % compared to PALM LENGTH / TOTAL HAND as a %. :whistel

We also have to make sure it's standarized. I.E. palm is considered first crease of wrist to first crease in middle finger and finger length is considered first crease in middle finger to the end of the middle finger.

And I thought I had no life...

Believe me, this is not the first time I've heard this said about me.

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Kurt Lane

Hand- 7.75

Forearm- 12.5'' straight

Wrist- 6.75''

Waist- Around 32''

Best gripper- BB Elite

Ratio F to W- 1.85

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I say we keep this going and make it a contest. I havent trained grip in a year and ive lost some weight. I think I can pack on 1/2'' the next year if I try really hard. My thumb is healed now fully aswell, which I messed up on someones head. Took damn near 5+ months.

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I say we keep this going and make it a contest. I havent trained grip in a year and ive lost some weight. I think I can pack on 1/2'' the next year if I try really hard. My thumb is healed now fully aswell, which I messed up on someones head. Took damn near 5+ months.

Do as you please, but as I get in better shape I think I might be losing a little fat off the forearms while still getting stronger. The number doesn't mean a lot to me.

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-------------------------FArm/Wrist----Wrist---FArm---Waist--Gripper Closed----------------------Hand Size----

  1. Coc#3-----------------1.939-------8.25---16.00---38.0---RB 330(approx 3.8)--------------------8.00
  2. twig------------------1.933-------7.50---14.50---????---RB 210(Table No Set)------------------8.00
  3. HellMagic-------------1.885-------6.10---11.50---32.7---COC #2.5------------------------------????
  4. The Writer------------1.867-------7.50---14.00---36.0---HG 200(No Set)------------------------7.25
  5. jw7-------------------1.852-------6.75---12.50---????---COC #2.5(No Set)----------------------7.19--P4.13--F3.06
  6. Kurt Lane-------------1.852-------6.75---12.50---32.0---BB Elite------------------------------7.75
  7. Pete1006--------------1.800-------7.50---13.50---34.0---MM2 Replica(approx 3.2)---------------7.50
  8. amaury----------------1.794-------6.80---12.20---31.5---COC #3(|| set)------------------------????
  9. Jeff T----------------1.793-------7.25---13.00---43.5---RB 240(|| Set)------------------------7.25
  10. Autolupus-------------1.793-------7.25---13.00---37.0---COC #2.5(Table No Set left & right)---7.50
  11. Wes-------------------1.781-------8.00---14.25---35.0---BBSE(Set) & BBE(No Set)---------------7.75
  12. Condor----------------1.739-------6.90---12.00---????---HG 200(No Set Reps)-------------------7.65
  13. Mats Erik-------------1.727-------8.25---14.25---????---RB 210N-------------------------------7.50
  14. PrgSkidmark-----------1.724-------7.25---12.50---35.0---COC #1(23 RH & 17 LH)-----------------7.50
  15. crobb1320-------------1.714-------7.00---12.00---31.0---COC #2--------------------------------7.25
  16. superfeemiman---------1.676-------7.40---12.40---38.0---COC #2(No Set)------------------------7.75
  17. dimmers---------------1.673-------6.88---11.50---31.5---COC #2--------------------------------7.25
  18. spahn ranch-----------1.655-------7.40---12.25---36.0---COC #2.5(MMS)-------------------------8.25
  19. Bonzi-----------------1.643-------7.00---11.50---36.0---COC #1--------------------------------8.00
  20. lone wolf-------------1.585-------7.81---12.38---34.0---COC #2--------------------------------7.25
  21. vikingsrule92---------1.571-------7.00---11.00---31.0---COC #2--------------------------------7.75

Please, for standardization purposes, use:

  • actual waist size at largest circumference and not pant size
  • forearm measured with arm straight and wrist not cranked(fist clenched is OK)
  • hand size measured from first crease of wrist to then end of middle finger
  • We also have to make sure it's standarized. I.E. palm is considered first crease of wrist to first crease in middle finger and finger length is considered first crease in middle finger to the end of the middle finger. thanks to superfeemiman for this standard :mosher

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OK, I can't resist stats either.

Hand-7.25"

Palm-4"

Finger 3.25"

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-------------------------FArm/Wrist----Wrist---FArm---Waist--Gripper Closed----------Hand Size----

  1. Coc#3-----------------1.939-------8.25---16.00---38.0---RB 330(approx 3.8)-----------8.00
  2. twig------------------1.933-------7.50---14.50---????---RB 210(Table No Set)---------8.00
  3. HellMagic-------------1.885-------6.10---11.50---32.7---COC #2.5---------------------????
  4. The Writer------------1.867-------7.50---14.00---36.0---HG 200(No Set)---------------7.25--P4.00--F3.25
  5. jw7-------------------1.852-------6.75---12.50---????---COC #2.5(No Set)-------------7.19--P4.13--F3.06
  6. Kurt Lane-------------1.852-------6.75---12.50---32.0---BB Elite---------------------7.75
  7. Pete1006--------------1.800-------7.50---13.50---34.0---MM2 Replica(approx 3.2)------7.50
  8. amaury----------------1.794-------6.80---12.20---31.5---COC #3(|| set)---------------????
  9. Jeff T----------------1.793-------7.25---13.00---43.5---RB 240(|| Set)---------------7.25
  10. Autolupus-------------1.793-------7.25---13.00---37.0---COC #2.5(Table No Set L&R)---7.50
  11. Wes-------------------1.781-------8.00---14.25---35.0---BBSE(Set) & BBE(No Set)------7.75
  12. Condor----------------1.739-------6.90---12.00---????---HG 200(No Set Reps)----------7.65
  13. Mats Erik-------------1.727-------8.25---14.25---????---RB 210N----------------------7.50
  14. PrgSkidmark-----------1.724-------7.25---12.50---35.0---COC #1(23 RH & 17 LH)--------7.50
  15. crobb1320-------------1.714-------7.00---12.00---31.0---COC #2-----------------------7.25
  16. superfeemiman---------1.676-------7.40---12.40---38.0---COC #2(No Set)---------------7.75
  17. dimmers---------------1.673-------6.88---11.50---31.5---COC #2-----------------------7.25
  18. spahn ranch-----------1.655-------7.40---12.25---36.0---COC #2.5(MMS)----------------8.25
  19. Bonzi-----------------1.643-------7.00---11.50---36.0---COC #1-----------------------8.00--P4.50--F3.50
  20. lone wolf-------------1.585-------7.81---12.38---34.0---COC #2-----------------------7.25
  21. vikingsrule92---------1.571-------7.00---11.00---31.0---COC #2-----------------------7.75

Please, for standardization purposes, use:

  • actual waist size at largest circumference and not pant size
  • forearm measured with arm straight and wrist not cranked(fist clenched is OK)
  • hand size measured from first crease of wrist to then end of middle finger
  • We also have to make sure it's standarized. I.E. palm is considered first crease of wrist to first crease in middle finger and finger length is considered first crease in middle finger to the end of the middle finger. thanks to superfeemiman for this standard :mosher

Thanks for the input, folks. The Palm/Finger variables seem to be of interest and relevant. Let's see

what sticks. If we throw enough variables in here then something might just jump up and slap us

up side the face. Wow, I could have had a V8.:mosher

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Bonzi,

Measuring with a ruler from the creases:

Hand: 7.63" <- updated

Palm: 4.25"

Mid Finger: 3.38"

Awesome thread still! TTYL, Doug

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