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Mikael Siversson

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Mikael Siversson

1. Benny Wennberg, Sweden        6.76 (3.54+3.22) Euro 2004
2. Viktor Sander, Sweden         6.75 (3.50+3.25) LGC XIII 2005
2. Mikael Lindén, Sweden         6.75 (3.50+3.25) LGC XIII 2005
4. Florian Kellersmann, Germany  6.65 (3.65+3.00) Euro 2004
5. Mikael Siversson, Sweden      6.60 (3.38+3.22) LGC X 2003
5. Johan Albrektsson, Sweden     6.60 (3.38+3.22) Euro 2004
7. Jonas Svarén, Sweden          6.38 (3.38+3.00) LGC X 2003
8. Steve Gardener, England       6.23 (3.54+2.69) Euro 2004
9. David Hurzeler, Switzerland   6.22 (3.22+3.00) Euro 2004
10.David Horne, England          6.19 (3.38+2.81) Euro 2004

The 3.50 gripper closed by Viktor and Mikael Lindén has not yet been fully calibrated, so their total may change slightly.

The 3.22 BBE is very close to the MMG1 and the 3.38 is probably close to the MMG2.

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mobsterone

Nice to see I'm on all the lists so far... Must keep trying to get higher :D

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burkhardmacht

Very nice list! Thanks for posting it! :rock

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Wow, shared second place :D

I hope there will be tougher grippers for the euros so I can at least TRY to beat the record, that will say if I haven't lost my strength :/

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Wow, shared second place  :D

I hope there will be tougher grippers for the euros so I can at least TRY to beat the record, that will say if I haven't lost my strength :/

Well not much I can do about that here in Perth. Its up to Arne. I know there will be a 3.65 "easy" BBSE at least and a couple of harder but crudely (the tester was not in the ideal 0-3mm range from closing them) calibrated BBSE's.

In fact, to tell you the truth, no calibrating at all is currently taking place with the 3.50 gripper you closed, as it has not been sent to me. I have given it a quick squeeze a few years ago and it would be in the 3.4-3.6 range. It is a highly unsatisfactory situation to not be able to calibrate this gripper.

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In fact, to tell you the truth, no calibrating at all is currently taking place with the 3.50 gripper you closed, as it has not been sent to me. I have given it a quick squeeze a few years ago and it would be in the 3.4-3.6 range. It is a highly unsatisfactory situation to not be able to calibrate this gripper.

Do you have any plans/ideas on how to do this in the long run?

It is obvious that the one man calibrations aren't ideal as the calibrated challenge bars just crashed when David went away and while the grippers at least stay useful (and not destroyed like the bars) it seems like a long term problem that the calibration is so dependent on you.

Do you think that it is possible to "train" more calibrators?

Nils

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In fact, to tell you the truth, no calibrating at all is currently taking place with the 3.50 gripper you closed, as it has not been sent to me. I have given it a quick squeeze a few years ago and it would be in the 3.4-3.6 range. It is a highly unsatisfactory situation to not be able to calibrate this gripper.

Do you have any plans/ideas on how to do this in the long run?

It is obvious that the one man calibrations aren't ideal as the calibrated challenge bars just crashed when David went away and while the grippers at least stay useful (and not destroyed like the bars) it seems like a long term problem that the calibration is so dependent on you.

Do you think that it is possible to "train" more calibrators?

Nils

It's not a one man calibration. The 3.54 BBE and the 3.65 BBSE were calibrated by David Horne and Jim Wylie. Some of the easier grippers were calibrated by Arne Persson. What is needed though is for someone to say; yes Mikael I would be happy to help you calibrating harder grippers or rather to help Arne and me with anything related to grip strength competitions. :flame

As it is we have a number of people pointing out areas where there is room for improvement but gracefully declining hands on help.

The calibration method used for the LGC can be used by any individual. You Nils could be calibrating grippers for us in your strength range as we speak.

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I might add that it would be very easy to link the competition grippers we use with those used for competitions in the US. All it takes is shipping a few grippers back and forth and then test them according to my calibration method.

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Wannagrip

How can you "calibrate" grippers with the #3 number when the base is a moving target? There is no consistent #3 so 3.X means what? It means nothing IMO. So, you should just have an ordering of hardness. Not some number based on a varying basline. My take is get rid of the 3.X and order them 1-N.

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mobsterone

As has been discussed before 1) the grippers used in competitions are compared to what has become a baseline and 2) those used in competition are the same ones (ie: it has been written elsewhere that both the Brits and EU comp used the same set).

It's the same principle as the MM grippers - everyone uses the same or very, very similar gripper.

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How can you "calibrate" grippers with the #3 number when the base is a moving target?  There is no consistent #3 so 3.X means what?  It means nothing IMO.    So, you should just have an ordering of hardness. Not some number based on a varying basline.  My take is get rid of the 3.X and order them 1-N.

The answer is simple. A gripper was designated as type gripper, upon which the whole rating is ultimately based. It is a #3 and it was given the arbitrary value of 3.0. With the calibration method used and posted on the GripBoard (where you would find answers to your questions), the range of scores in the LGC is comparable to those of the other events. With this calibration method a rating of 4.0 has nothing to do with a #4 gripper. An average #4 would be rated well above 4.0.

The advantage with this method of rating grippers is that a formula can be used rather than having to rely on the more simple strongman type of scoring.

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FrankyBoy

For those who are interested in how the euro-grippers were rated here an old post of Mikael explaining the method in detail:

Gripper calibration

Took me some time to dig that out again.

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Updated

1. Viktor Sander, Sweden         7.03 (3.65+3.38) Euro 2005
2. Benny Wennberg, Sweden        6.76 (3.54+3.22) Euro 2004
3. Mikael Lindén, Sweden         6.75 (3.50+3.25) LGC XIII 2005
4. Florian Kellersmann, Germany  6.65 (3.65+3.00) Euro 2004
5. Mikael Siversson, Sweden      6.60 (3.38+3.22) LGC X 2003
5. Johan Albrektsson, Sweden     6.60 (3.38+3.22) Euro 2004
7. Jonas Svarén, Sweden          6.38 (3.38+3.00) LGC X 2003
8. Steve Gardener, England       6.35 (3.54+2.81) Euro 2005
9. David Hurzeler, Switzerland   6.25 (3.25+3.00) Euro 2005
10.David Horne, England          6.19 (3.38+2.81) Euro 2004

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Updated

1. Viktor Sander, Sweden         7.03 (3.65+3.38) Euro 2005
2. Benny Wennberg, Sweden        6.76 (3.54+3.22) Euro 2004
3. Mikael Lindén, Sweden         6.75 (3.50+3.25) LGC XIII 2005
4. Florian Kellersmann, Germany  6.65 (3.65+3.00) Euro 2004
5. Mikael Siversson, Sweden      6.60 (3.38+3.22) LGC X 2003
5. Johan Albrektsson, Sweden     6.60 (3.38+3.22) Euro 2004
7. Jonas Svarén, Sweden          6.38 (3.38+3.00) LGC X 2003
8. Steve Gardener, England       6.35 (3.54+2.81) Euro 2005
9. David Hurzeler, Switzerland   6.25 (3.25+3.00) Euro 2005
10.David Horne, England          6.19 (3.38+2.81) Euro 2004

I have begun calibrating the "estimated 3.50" BBE closed by Mikael Linden. It is closer to 3.60 so Mikael will definitely end up ahead of Benny and take the 2nd place.

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I have begun calibrating the "estimated 3.50" BBE closed by Mikael Linden. It is closer to 3.60 so Mikael will definitely end up ahead of Benny and take the 2nd place.

That's a surprize! I thought it would be a lot lower. It felt about the same as the BBE 3,54, but the 3,65 was A LOT harder than both those grippers. Maybe I was just tired or the 3,65 just didn't "fit" in my hand.

Good luck calibrating it!

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I have begun calibrating the "estimated 3.50" BBE closed by Mikael Linden. It is closer to 3.60 so Mikael will definitely end up ahead of Benny and take the 2nd place.

That's a surprize! I thought it would be a lot lower. It felt about the same as the BBE 3,54, but the 3,65 was A LOT harder than both those grippers. Maybe I was just tired or the 3,65 just didn't "fit" in my hand.

Good luck calibrating it!

The difference between a 3.54 and a 3.59 for example would equal 0.7mm! No wonder you thought they felt similar. The 3.65 may end up higher. Both the 3.54 and the 3.65 are only preliminary rated. Moreover, grippers with a larger diametrer spring size tend to feel harder than they are before you get used to them (harder to set etc.). Maybe you were, as you said, getting tired.

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The difference between a 3.54 and a 3.59 for example would equal 0.7mm! No wonder you thought they felt similar. The 3.65 may end up higher. Both the 3.54 and the 3.65 are only preliminary rated. Moreover, grippers with a larger diametrer spring size tend to feel harder than they are before you get used to them (harder to set etc.). Maybe you were, as you said, getting tired.

Thanks for the answer, I seem to learn something new from almost all your posts (except the bad ones ;)) *thumbs up*

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I have begun calibrating the "estimated 3.50" BBE closed by Mikael Linden. It is closer to 3.60 so Mikael will definitely end up ahead of Benny and take the 2nd place.

Arne Persson just told me this was not the BBE closed by Mikael Linden but another of Arne's BBE's. Sorry about the confusion.

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Updated. I will slowly add results to make this a top 50. Hail the new king of crush in Europe (of those brave enough to put in on the line). :bow

Do I dare say Viking Power.

1. Martin Arildsson, Sweden	  7.19 (3.65+3.54) LGC XIV 2006
2. Viktor Sander, Sweden         7.03 (3.65+3.38) Euro 2005
3. Benny Wennberg, Sweden        6.76 (3.54+3.22) Euro 2004
4. Mikael Lindén, Sweden         6.75 (3.50+3.25) LGC XIII 2005
5. Florian Kellersmann, Germany  6.65 (3.65+3.00) Euro 2004
6. Mikael Siversson, Sweden      6.60 (3.38+3.22) LGC X 2003
6. Johan Albrektsson, Sweden     6.60 (3.38+3.22) Euro 2004
8. Jonas Svarén, Sweden          6.38 (3.38+3.00) LGC X 2003
9. Steve Gardener, England       6.35 (3.54+2.81) Euro 2005
10.David Hurzeler, Switzerland   6.25 (3.25+3.00) Euro 2005
11.David Horne, England          6.19 (3.38+2.81) Euro 2004

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talk about having power in both hands...WOW!! :bow:bow

Yes, he can close his MMG3 replica with his left hand.

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