Guest near the river Posted April 3, 2001 Share Posted April 3, 2001 A gripper loses strength everytime you close it, right? Or is it just the first 20 or 30 times? The only way to know the strength of your gripper is to have it PDA tested, right? Maybe it would be better to just forget about grippers and just use a plate loaded grip machine like the Atlas. Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Russell Latterman Posted April 3, 2001 Share Posted April 3, 2001 The grippers lose tension after they have been closed 20 or 30 times, but they don't continue to lose tension after that. If they did, then anyone could be able to close the #3 and #4 by smashing it in a vice grip a bunch of times. If you want to know the exact stregth, you should force close your gripper at least 30 times, then send it in to PDA to get tested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ddtkid Posted April 4, 2001 Share Posted April 4, 2001 I agree; I think plate loaded grip machines are a better investment. COC's are good for convenience and boasting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobsterone Posted April 4, 2001 Share Posted April 4, 2001 Ah not shut one yet I take it...?? It IS a grpping site and so we will talk about 'Grippers'. One problem, high lighted by so much talk about lbs per square inch etc, is shown by the same kinda talk over which protein is best on traditional BB sites. Typically the comments are made by those not training right, resting right and yet still obsessing over the minut'e. If one thing comes from the testing its that we will get a right reading after 20-30 closures. If the numbers are lower than specified why is it that only 40ish have closed the number three. You can bet that none or almost none of the CoC's worried about the numbers and just went for it... Worth thinking about?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Piche Posted April 4, 2001 Share Posted April 4, 2001 Yes, it is worth thinking about. When it comes right down to it, the numbers stamped on the end don't mean much. Who's to say a BBM isn't stronger than your 3 and yet you get certified as a COC? Shouldn't Richard Sorin be recognized as the all time king of crush due to the POUNDAGE he closed not some arbitrary inaccurate number on the handle? I think so. At this level, yes you need to be strong-handed regardless....no doubt about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Russell Latterman Posted April 4, 2001 Share Posted April 4, 2001 I have a suggestion. Once everyone starts sending in their grippers to be tested, we could have a list of grippers and their owners on this site with the exact messurement of poundage. Then there will be no confusion about wether or not say someones BBM is stronger than someones #3. Does anyone else like this idea? Hey Wannagrip, can we already send the grippers in to get tested? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobsterone Posted April 4, 2001 Share Posted April 4, 2001 Or there could be a BBM certification scheme an I'll crush there babies too! Remember, no matter what, that many many of the Coc's are strong and shut the grippers without any awareness of any discrepency. Richards efforts aren't just on grippers but a wide range of crushing an gripping movements and its for this that he is to be honoured. Im my humble etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest InchDisciple Posted April 4, 2001 Share Posted April 4, 2001 I say that due to Ironmind's grippers great variation that we disregard their certification . I think that PDA should start a new list using only grippers that they have tested . What do you all think ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest near the river Posted April 4, 2001 Share Posted April 4, 2001 Thank you. I now have a better understanding. Mob, I can close the 1 but not the 2. I agree with InchDisciple. Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Piche Posted April 4, 2001 Share Posted April 4, 2001 Of course...that's why he's a LEGEND. However, he is the KING of Crush -- 621lbs. No guess at numbers on handles...no talkin smack...done..did it...BOOOOOM! :biggrin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Piche Posted April 5, 2001 Share Posted April 5, 2001 Steve, just thought of this one...if poundage and only "looks" count (like the COC #'s) why not just tell someone to build a "challenge" dumbbell SOMEWHERE between 2.3 to 2.8 inches for the handle...and somewhere between 170 to 230lbs. After all, who cares what the actual weight is right? You didn't do that of course. You know exactly what the handle is and what the poundage is. So, what's the diff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobsterone Posted April 5, 2001 Share Posted April 5, 2001 Hmm, I'd have to ask Randall. Given the amount of traffic that has been generated has anyone asked Mr Strossen to respond to any or all of the above technical info that PDA and others have generated. I for one would be interested. As an aside, and allowing for your point, is it possible to buy some of these other grippers here in the UK so I can smash them too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Piche Posted April 5, 2001 Share Posted April 5, 2001 Tom Black had a good suggestion and we could even add 50lbs to the levels as that is a lot when you get up here: 300, 350, 400, 450, & 500 pound levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Szimanski Posted April 5, 2001 Share Posted April 5, 2001 For those of you who are not aware, I contacted Dr. Strossen as a courtesy after we introduced the Atlas and it became apparent we were going to delve into grippery in a serious way. Some significant people were copied on those communications. It was becoming obvious that we were going to be addressing factors that were previously neglected. My concern was our actions and the results could be construed either as supportive or antagonistic. Our intent was that our work was to be supportive, complementary, and thorough. I realized that whether the grip community perceived us as supportive or antagonistic would depend on our own interaction. He had nothing to offer PDA per se. Our initiative, again, was strictly a courtesy. Regardless of his reaction, PDA was going to hold the course. All of this was clearly explained in our emails. Dr. Strossen expressed his preference to remain at arms length for the sake of objectivity. He preferred we did not use his brand moniker. Ironically, this led to the SOS tag - the letters were actually chosen before they had a meaning attached! John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JD79 Posted April 5, 2001 Share Posted April 5, 2001 I believe what PDA is doing is a good thing. They are trying to offer grippers between the #2 and #3 to help aspiring Captains reach their goals. I don't think they are trying to take over from Ironmind. As far as testing goes, I like it. I want to know how much force my #3 has. My hat is off to John for providing what I think is a great service. JD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobsterone Posted April 5, 2001 Share Posted April 5, 2001 Cool - although I am surprised that a man - Randall who includes hints at technical data in his catalogues - wasn't fully up to speed re the gripper ratings. As John knows I have an Atlas machine on order and so the rating etc of whatever I m able to do will be the same as the rest of ya. Now the question is when will John/PDA produce spring grippers if ever. Or is the Atlas that leveler (I think it is) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bonzi Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 (edited) Yes, it is worth thinking about. <p>When it comes right down to it, the numbers stamped on the end don't mean much. Who's to say a BBM isn't stronger than your 3 and yet you get certified as a COC?<p>Shouldn't Richard Sorin be recognized as the all time king of crush due to the POUNDAGE he closed not some arbitrary inaccurate number on the handle? I think so.<p>At this level, yes you need to be strong-handed regardless....no doubt about that. has sorin gone head to head with any current day strong grip dudes on his test of grip? Age ain't nothing but a number. is he around 50. if so he is just beginning to live. Let's see what ya got. Edited April 3, 2008 by Bonzi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bonzi Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Of course...that's why he's a LEGEND. <p>However, he is the KING of Crush -- 621lbs. No guess at numbers on handles...no talkin smack...done..did it...BOOOOOM! :biggrin: 621 lbs at what lift or gripper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannon Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Read about the "Phantom 4" here: http://www.gripboard.com/index.php?showtopic=20064&hl= Probably the only worthwhile post from Timmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autolupus Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 Did Bonzi just go digging to try and resurrect the oldest post he could find? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twig Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 Nah, if he wanted to do that he'd just type in http://www.gripboard.com/index.php?showtopic=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autolupus Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 Nah, if he wanted to do that he'd just type in http://www.gripboard.com/index.php?showtopic=1 I suppose 4 is the first bumpable post! Nice one Twig! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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