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#1 OFFLINE   Josh O'Dell

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 05:32 AM

Id like to talk about my prep up to the #3 cert
and also hear stories about other's that have
certed or (attempted) to cert the highly honorable
Coc3, I think this thread would be usefull for anyone
trying to cert the 3, So feel free to open your thoughts
on this, all are welcome to post here.

To begin this i will let you no that my official
Coc3 attempt with Ironmind is next wensday
at 3pm. I feel strong for this, I suppose the
pnly thing that has gave me trouble lately is
my right shoulder.. Im hoping with a weeks
rest it will be feeling good, If not its not going
to stop me. My ref is being kind enough to let
me cert at his home so i will not let him Down!!
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Posted 23 April 2014 - 06:29 AM

Josh-
Will you treat it as a workout day? Like the way you warmup on a workout day, will be the same that day.

And I would walk around with a no.4 all day in my hand... When you grab the no.3, it will look and feel like a trainer.

Best of luck.
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Posted 23 April 2014 - 06:41 AM

Only a week away. I'd also like to cert on it some day. You will get it!

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 06:57 AM

I have only refereed one cert -- Adam Glass.  I showed up at Adam's gym, we opened the gripper, and he shut it.  No warm up, no chalk.  I think I even interrupted some other workout he was doing. 

 

I guess the only take away from my experience is "if you're ready, you're ready." 


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Posted 23 April 2014 - 07:58 AM

I have only refereed one cert -- Adam Glass.  I showed up at Adam's gym, we opened the gripper, and he shut it.  No warm up, no chalk.  I think I even interrupted some other workout he was doing. 
 
I guess the only take away from my experience is "if you're ready, you're ready."



That's badass.

I like slazbobs idea of carrying a 4 around all day Wednesday.

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 08:52 AM

Josh-Will you treat it as a workout day? Like the way you warmup on a workout day, will be the same that day.And I would walk around with a no.4 all day in my hand... When you grab the no.3, it will look and feel like a trainer.Best of luck.

ha ha yea i could do that, I will proble warm up like
i normally would but not alot. Almost every time i have ccs the 3 was without
any warmup just a spur of the moment thing. Thanks guys!
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Posted 23 April 2014 - 10:39 AM

I have only refereed one cert -- Adam Glass.  I showed up at Adam's gym, we opened the gripper, and he shut it.  No warm up, no chalk.  I think I even interrupted some other workout he was doing. 

 

I guess the only take away from my experience is "if you're ready, you're ready." 

I think this is the best situation as far as preparation goes  :grin:  It's good to be able to dominate a cert. When a cert depends on the need for having a good day, chances are one does not have that good day at the cert. Murphy's law that seems to apply for a lot of my daily life experiences.  :chris:


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Posted 23 April 2014 - 11:02 AM

That's why I don't go for any of these gripper certs, when I can randomly CCS any 3 I come across or GHP at any time of day on a whim, ill sign up for them all

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 11:14 AM

I have only refereed one cert -- Adam Glass.  I showed up at Adam's gym, we opened the gripper, and he shut it.  No warm up, no chalk.  I think I even interrupted some other workout he was doing. 

 

I guess the only take away from my experience is "if you're ready, you're ready." 

 

You're you're saying screw peaking... make it your base stregth?



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Posted 23 April 2014 - 12:46 PM

Great thread, Joshua!  I hope to read about your successful cert on the Ironmind website next Wednesday. :sorcerer:   I wrote an article about my path from the Trainer to certified on the #3 back in 2011.  I certified in 2005.  Wrote the article about 4 years later, is what I mean.  I copied and pasted it here. 

 

 

Zero to Certified Captain of Crush in 5 Years: Lessons Learned Along The Way

By Ben Edwards

 

Certifying on the Ironmind #3 gripper in May of 2005 was one of the proudest moments in my strength training experience.  That certification was the culmination of 5 years of hard, focused gripper training. 

From 2003 to 2005 my desire to certify on the #3 eclipsed all of my other training goals.  I experimented with several methods of training from 2000 to 2005.  By 2005 I often dreamt about grippers – that’s how much gripper work I was doing and how much energy I put into visualizing the moment when I could earn the right to call myself a Certified Captain of Crush. 

 

This article will ideally shorten the time it takes you to certify on the #3 – by illustrating some mistakes I made along the way, and explaining what worked for me when everything else was just maintaining my strength.  If simply getting stronger on the grippers is your immediate focus, this article will help in that regard too.  But don’t be surprised if you start your gripper training with no thought of certifying – and then decide that you want to get certified so bad you can taste it after a few months of productive training.   

 

From 2000 to 2003 I did my gripper training with no set.  Meaning, I didn’t use my non-gripping hand to help pull the handles closer together – to get a more advantageous starting position – before attempting to shut the gripper.

 

Was this an effective method of training?  Yes!  Even though I stagnated at the Super Master (roughly equivalent to an Ironmind #2.5) level, I had still built up a solid level of grip strength by 2003.  I continued to fall short of my goal of closing a #3 though.  So I sought out others who had achieved the goal I had set for myself – certifying on the #3. 

 

Two changes that I credit the most for my progress from 2003 to 2005 are:

  • Beginning to use a parallel set (commonly referred to as a Mash Monster Set – MMS) in training – along with the no set work that I had built my gripper strength base with.  This allowed me to build more top-end closing strength.  The no set training continued to supply me with the strength necessary to get the handles to parallel and a bit closer.

The MMS training took over where that strength fell short and together – MMS and no set – they pushed my gripper strength up enough so that when I certified in mid-2005, I actually did the certification both left and right handed – with plenty of strength to spare.

  • Finding a #3 that was significantly easier than my original #3 to train with.  Note: this easy #3 was not the gripper that I certified with.  I certified on my original #3.  I’m pointing this out because it became a misunderstood topic with a few people on one of the big grip strength forums. 

 

I searched for – and eventually found – an easy #3 to train with.I wanted to certify with my orginal #3 of course.But I needed a mental and physical boost to get there.A “stair-step gripper” – one that was harder than my current max, but easier than my goal gripper – was just the ticket.Even if it was an easy #3, it would be a start and the mental barrier would be broken down.

 

Grip strength didn’t come easily to me – even though I started off a bit above average.I began training my grip in May of 2000.I bought the Trainer and was able to close it for about 10 no set reps with both hands right out of the package.

 

About six months later, I bought the #1 and was able to close it for about 10 no set reps with both hands out of the package.Next, I bought the #2 and was not able to close it.For quite a while.About 9 months passed before I closed my #2 for the first time!And remember, that was after training for close to a year with my Trainer and #1 before even attempting the #2.I was pretty disappointed by that.But, looking back, I realize that if I had just walked right through the #2 it wouldn’t have meant nearly as much to me when I closed it as it did after spending 9 months training specifically for it.

 

By May of 2002 (two years of grip training) I was capable of occasionally no set closing a hard Beefbuilder Master.  This particular gripper was harder than my #2 but easier than a #2.5.   

 

I attended my first grip contest – the 2002 Super Grip Challenge – in late 2002 and was introduced to the world of competition gripper closes.  I only closed the #2 with both hands.  But that’s because the jump was too high between the #2 and the #3.  I don’t remember if that contest had a Beefbuilder Master.  But if it did, it must’ve been really hard if I didn’t close it with my right hand at least.  I did my closes at the contest with no set – as I did in training at that time.  But I saw that the experienced grip guys (Certified Captain of Crush Kevin Fulton and grip phenom Matt Graham) were using a set that was close to parallel handles.  It allowed their hand to get in a much more advantageous position before starting the close.  I continued to train with no set even after my first contest exposure.  Thinking back on it, I wish I had started using a parallel set back in 2002 because I would’ve certified on the #3 at least a year earlier than 2005.

 

It was another year – May of 2003 - before I no set closed a Beefbuilder Super Master consistently.  A Super Master is the rough equivalent of an Ironmind #2.5.  I attended my second grip contest – the 2003 Super Grip Challenge – in late 2003.  There I closed a Beefbuilder Master with both hands and had strength to spare.  But not enough strength to close the #3 that was at the contest.  I saw the parallel set (it might’ve been the 1” set that Ironmind allowed to certify on the #3 at that time) used again at this contest and realized that if I had been training it since 2002 I would’ve placed higher in the gripper event at the contest.  My parallel set training began in earnest soon after this valuable learning experience.    

In early 2004, after training for several months with a parallel set – I closed an easy #3 with a parallel set.  My training buddy altered his #3 to allow extensions to the handles – which of course made it easier to close.  I worked with that altered gripper for a few months and then closed another easy #3 – this time an unmodified #3.  That’s when I started to get really excited. 

 

From mid-2004 to early 2005 I worked very hard on parallel set closes and no set closes with my easy #3 and my original #3 – the one I eventually certified with.  I also did some parallel set training with grippers a bit harder than a #3.  More specifically, Beefbuilder Elites.  These are roughly the level of an easy Ironmind #3.5. 

 

The closer my goal certification date came – I set May as a fluid goal – the more I worked with higher volume gripper workouts.  It was a relatively normal occasion for me to do well over 100 total reps (actually all the closes were singles – which I still prefer) in a parallel set and/or no set workout with my easy #3 and sometimes with my certification #3. 

 

All this high volume work did the trick and I certified on the #3 in May of 2005.  Passed with flying colors.  I showboated a little and did the certification both left and right handed – using what Ironmind coined the “Credit Card Set.”  Meaning that a credit card was inserted between the handles to show a “legal” starting position.  This rule change effectively prevented people from setting the handles deeper than about 2.25”. 

 

After the official cert was finished, I no set closed my certification #3 with both hands – with the judge still present – just to make it doubly official. 

 

So a quick summary for those without enough time or patience to read the entire article:

  • I did no set closes for about 3 years – but stalled out at approximately the #2.5 level in 2003.
    • PROBLEM: Stalled at the #2.5 level and couldn’t force my way to the #3 level.
    • SOLUTION: Started doing parallel set closes – and kept doing maintenance no set closes. 
  • After incorporating parallel set closes into my training – while continuing to do no set closes to maintain my wide set strength – my strength began to rise again and I broke through the easy #3 barrier in 2004. 
    • PROBLEM: Going from my friend’s adjustable #3 to my original #3 – which was significantly harder – was a large jump.
    • SOLUTION: Bought another easy #3 that was a little bit harder than the adjustable #3 my friend loaned me.  But it was still easier than my original #3.  So it helped bridge the gap between the easiest #3 and my original #3. 
  • I wanted to make sure that I dominated my #3 certification.  To accomplish that I had to be capable of closing my original #3 at will – with strength to spare.  I increased my gripper volume over the course of about a year – solely by performing singles – and eventually built up a tremendous amount of strength that carried over to my certification date.    
    • PROBLEM: How to make sure that I got strong enough so the certification was not a “close call” but a “done deal.” 
    • SOLUTION: Increase my gripper volume – both no set and parallel set closes – and wave that volume from workout to workout.  Sometimes it would be very high volume – 100s of closes with grippers easier than a #3 (usually a #1 and #2) and other times it would be around 50 reps – but with harder grippers like the easy #3.  Shortly before certifying I did a no set workout consisting of over 150 singles with my original #3.  Workouts like that ensured that there would be no doubt on my certification day. 

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 12:54 PM

And I would walk around with a no.4 all day in my hand... When you grab the no.3, it will look and feel like a trainer.
 

No offense, but I think this is a terrible idea.  You are essentially teaching your brain and hand to "fail" countless times by not even coming close to closing the gripper under cert conditions.  I think that smashing a Trainer shut CCS would be more useful than walking around with a #4 all day long and failing to close it.



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Posted 23 April 2014 - 01:06 PM


And I would walk around with a no.4 all day in my hand... When you grab the no.3, it will look and feel like a trainer.
 

No offense, but I think this is a terrible idea.  You are essentially teaching your brain and hand to "fail" countless times by not even coming close to closing the gripper under cert conditions.  I think that smashing a Trainer shut CCS would be more useful than walking around with a #4 all day long and failing to close it.
Sorry, Ben ... You misunderstood. He won't be squeezing the no.4 just holding it and looking at that big spring.

Squeezing a trainer would set his mind that the no.3 is hard.

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 01:28 PM

And I would walk around with a no.4 all day in my hand... When you grab the no.3, it will look and feel like a trainer.

No offense, but I think this is a terrible idea.  You are essentially teaching your brain and hand to "fail" countless times by not even coming close to closing the gripper under cert conditions.  I think that smashing a Trainer shut CCS would be more useful than walking around with a #4 all day long and failing to close it.
Sorry, Ben ... You misunderstood. He won't be squeezing the no.4 just holding it and looking at that big spring.
Squeezing a trainer would set his mind that the no.3 is hard.

Kind of like doing heavy walkouts before going for a max attempt. I like the idea but what do i know, i'm a n00b lol

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 01:54 PM

 

Great thread, Joshua!  I hope to read about your successful cert on the Ironmind website next Wednesday. :sorcerer:   I wrote an article about my path from the Trainer to certified on the #3 back in 2011.  I certified in 2005.  Wrote the article about 4 years later, is what I mean.  I copied and pasted it here. 

 

 

Zero to Certified Captain of Crush in 5 Years: Lessons Learned Along The Way

By Ben Edwards

 

Certifying on the Ironmind #3 gripper in May of 2005 was one of the proudest moments in my strength training experience.  That certification was the culmination of 5 years of hard, focused gripper training. 

From 2003 to 2005 my desire to certify on the #3 eclipsed all of my other training goals.  I experimented with several methods of training from 2000 to 2005.  By 2005 I often dreamt about grippers – that’s how much gripper work I was doing and how much energy I put into visualizing the moment when I could earn the right to call myself a Certified Captain of Crush. 

 

This article will ideally shorten the time it takes you to certify on the #3 – by illustrating some mistakes I made along the way, and explaining what worked for me when everything else was just maintaining my strength.  If simply getting stronger on the grippers is your immediate focus, this article will help in that regard too.  But don’t be surprised if you start your gripper training with no thought of certifying – and then decide that you want to get certified so bad you can taste it after a few months of productive training.   

 

From 2000 to 2003 I did my gripper training with no set.  Meaning, I didn’t use my non-gripping hand to help pull the handles closer together – to get a more advantageous starting position – before attempting to shut the gripper.

 

Was this an effective method of training?  Yes!  Even though I stagnated at the Super Master (roughly equivalent to an Ironmind #2.5) level, I had still built up a solid level of grip strength by 2003.  I continued to fall short of my goal of closing a #3 though.  So I sought out others who had achieved the goal I had set for myself – certifying on the #3. 

 

Two changes that I credit the most for my progress from 2003 to 2005 are:

  • Beginning to use a parallel set (commonly referred to as a Mash Monster Set – MMS) in training – along with the no set work that I had built my gripper strength base with.  This allowed me to build more top-end closing strength.  The no set training continued to supply me with the strength necessary to get the handles to parallel and a bit closer.

The MMS training took over where that strength fell short and together – MMS and no set – they pushed my gripper strength up enough so that when I certified in mid-2005, I actually did the certification both left and right handed – with plenty of strength to spare.

  • Finding a #3 that was significantly easier than my original #3 to train with.  Note: this easy #3 was not the gripper that I certified with.  I certified on my original #3.  I’m pointing this out because it became a misunderstood topic with a few people on one of the big grip strength forums. 

 

I searched for – and eventually found – an easy #3 to train with.I wanted to certify with my orginal #3 of course.But I needed a mental and physical boost to get there.A “stair-step gripper” – one that was harder than my current max, but easier than my goal gripper – was just the ticket.Even if it was an easy #3, it would be a start and the mental barrier would be broken down.

 

Grip strength didn’t come easily to me – even though I started off a bit above average.I began training my grip in May of 2000.I bought the Trainer and was able to close it for about 10 no set reps with both hands right out of the package.

 

About six months later, I bought the #1 and was able to close it for about 10 no set reps with both hands out of the package.Next, I bought the #2 and was not able to close it.For quite a while.About 9 months passed before I closed my #2 for the first time!And remember, that was after training for close to a year with my Trainer and #1 before even attempting the #2.I was pretty disappointed by that.But, looking back, I realize that if I had just walked right through the #2 it wouldn’t have meant nearly as much to me when I closed it as it did after spending 9 months training specifically for it.

 

By May of 2002 (two years of grip training) I was capable of occasionally no set closing a hard Beefbuilder Master.  This particular gripper was harder than my #2 but easier than a #2.5.   

 

I attended my first grip contest – the 2002 Super Grip Challenge – in late 2002 and was introduced to the world of competition gripper closes.  I only closed the #2 with both hands.  But that’s because the jump was too high between the #2 and the #3.  I don’t remember if that contest had a Beefbuilder Master.  But if it did, it must’ve been really hard if I didn’t close it with my right hand at least.  I did my closes at the contest with no set – as I did in training at that time.  But I saw that the experienced grip guys (Certified Captain of Crush Kevin Fulton and grip phenom Matt Graham) were using a set that was close to parallel handles.  It allowed their hand to get in a much more advantageous position before starting the close.  I continued to train with no set even after my first contest exposure.  Thinking back on it, I wish I had started using a parallel set back in 2002 because I would’ve certified on the #3 at least a year earlier than 2005.

 

It was another year – May of 2003 - before I no set closed a Beefbuilder Super Master consistently.  A Super Master is the rough equivalent of an Ironmind #2.5.  I attended my second grip contest – the 2003 Super Grip Challenge – in late 2003.  There I closed a Beefbuilder Master with both hands and had strength to spare.  But not enough strength to close the #3 that was at the contest.  I saw the parallel set (it might’ve been the 1” set that Ironmind allowed to certify on the #3 at that time) used again at this contest and realized that if I had been training it since 2002 I would’ve placed higher in the gripper event at the contest.  My parallel set training began in earnest soon after this valuable learning experience.    

In early 2004, after training for several months with a parallel set – I closed an easy #3 with a parallel set.  My training buddy altered his #3 to allow extensions to the handles – which of course made it easier to close.  I worked with that altered gripper for a few months and then closed another easy #3 – this time an unmodified #3.  That’s when I started to get really excited. 

 

From mid-2004 to early 2005 I worked very hard on parallel set closes and no set closes with my easy #3 and my original #3 – the one I eventually certified with.  I also did some parallel set training with grippers a bit harder than a #3.  More specifically, Beefbuilder Elites.  These are roughly the level of an easy Ironmind #3.5. 

 

The closer my goal certification date came – I set May as a fluid goal – the more I worked with higher volume gripper workouts.  It was a relatively normal occasion for me to do well over 100 total reps (actually all the closes were singles – which I still prefer) in a parallel set and/or no set workout with my easy #3 and sometimes with my certification #3. 

 

All this high volume work did the trick and I certified on the #3 in May of 2005.  Passed with flying colors.  I showboated a little and did the certification both left and right handed – using what Ironmind coined the “Credit Card Set.”  Meaning that a credit card was inserted between the handles to show a “legal” starting position.  This rule change effectively prevented people from setting the handles deeper than about 2.25”. 

 

After the official cert was finished, I no set closed my certification #3 with both hands – with the judge still present – just to make it doubly official. 

 

So a quick summary for those without enough time or patience to read the entire article:

  • I did no set closes for about 3 years – but stalled out at approximately the #2.5 level in 2003.
    • PROBLEM: Stalled at the #2.5 level and couldn’t force my way to the #3 level.
    • SOLUTION: Started doing parallel set closes – and kept doing maintenance no set closes. 
  • After incorporating parallel set closes into my training – while continuing to do no set closes to maintain my wide set strength – my strength began to rise again and I broke through the easy #3 barrier in 2004. 
    • PROBLEM: Going from my friend’s adjustable #3 to my original #3 – which was significantly harder – was a large jump.
    • SOLUTION: Bought another easy #3 that was a little bit harder than the adjustable #3 my friend loaned me.  But it was still easier than my original #3.  So it helped bridge the gap between the easiest #3 and my original #3. 
  • I wanted to make sure that I dominated my #3 certification.  To accomplish that I had to be capable of closing my original #3 at will – with strength to spare.  I increased my gripper volume over the course of about a year – solely by performing singles – and eventually built up a tremendous amount of strength that carried over to my certification date.    
    • PROBLEM: How to make sure that I got strong enough so the certification was not a “close call” but a “done deal.” 
    • SOLUTION: Increase my gripper volume – both no set and parallel set closes – and wave that volume from workout to workout.  Sometimes it would be very high volume – 100s of closes with grippers easier than a #3 (usually a #1 and #2) and other times it would be around 50 reps – but with harder grippers like the easy #3.  Shortly before certifying I did a no set workout consisting of over 150 singles with my original #3.  Workouts like that ensured that there would be no doubt on my certification day. 

 

Great story Ben. You're on of those guys I first bumped into on the internet when I started gripper training. Seems like you did a lot of grippercloses throughout the day that time, how much time did it take for you to recover after such a session/trainingday? My intensity is high but the volume is very low compared to your approach. And still I need a week off at least to fully recover. 


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Posted 23 April 2014 - 02:03 PM

 

 

And I would walk around with a no.4 all day in my hand... When you grab the no.3, it will look and feel like a trainer.
 

No offense, but I think this is a terrible idea.  You are essentially teaching your brain and hand to "fail" countless times by not even coming close to closing the gripper under cert conditions.  I think that smashing a Trainer shut CCS would be more useful than walking around with a #4 all day long and failing to close it.
Sorry, Ben ... You misunderstood. He won't be squeezing the no.4 just holding it and looking at that big spring.

Squeezing a trainer would set his mind that the no.3 is hard.

 

 

 

 

And I would walk around with a no.4 all day in my hand... When you grab the no.3, it will look and feel like a trainer.
 

No offense, but I think this is a terrible idea.  You are essentially teaching your brain and hand to "fail" countless times by not even coming close to closing the gripper under cert conditions.  I think that smashing a Trainer shut CCS would be more useful than walking around with a #4 all day long and failing to close it.
Sorry, Ben ... You misunderstood. He won't be squeezing the no.4 just holding it and looking at that big spring.

Squeezing a trainer would set his mind that the no.3 is hard.

 

He should definitely go with your recommendation then, since I misunderstand so easily. :getlost:   You must have firsthand experience with the #3 cert then.  When did you certify on the #3?  I bet your judge thought it was hilarious that you were carrying around a #4 that you gazed at before the cert. 



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Posted 23 April 2014 - 02:11 PM

 

 

 

And I would walk around with a no.4 all day in my hand... When you grab the no.3, it will look and feel like a trainer.

No offense, but I think this is a terrible idea.  You are essentially teaching your brain and hand to "fail" countless times by not even coming close to closing the gripper under cert conditions.  I think that smashing a Trainer shut CCS would be more useful than walking around with a #4 all day long and failing to close it.
Sorry, Ben ... You misunderstood. He won't be squeezing the no.4 just holding it and looking at that big spring.
Squeezing a trainer would set his mind that the no.3 is hard.

Kind of like doing heavy walkouts before going for a max attempt. I like the idea but what do i know, i'm a n00b lol

 

Anthony, there are many ways to make gains man.  If it sounds good, give it a shot.  The walkout analogy (in my opinion) would be much closer in reality to a deep set close of a gripper around the Elite level than a #4 CCS sloppy attempt/gazing-holding "training." 



#17 OFFLINE   Josh O'Dell

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 02:32 PM

I dont have a 4 lol I do however have
a Super Elite at 197#;)

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 03:03 PM


 

 

And I would walk around with a no.4 all day in my hand... When you grab the no.3, it will look and feel like a trainer.
 

No offense, but I think this is a terrible idea.  You are essentially teaching your brain and hand to "fail" countless times by not even coming close to closing the gripper under cert conditions.  I think that smashing a Trainer shut CCS would be more useful than walking around with a #4 all day long and failing to close it.
Sorry, Ben ... You misunderstood. He won't be squeezing the no.4 just holding it and looking at that big spring.

Squeezing a trainer would set his mind that the no.3 is hard.
 
 

 

 

And I would walk around with a no.4 all day in my hand... When you grab the no.3, it will look and feel like a trainer.
 

No offense, but I think this is a terrible idea.  You are essentially teaching your brain and hand to "fail" countless times by not even coming close to closing the gripper under cert conditions.  I think that smashing a Trainer shut CCS would be more useful than walking around with a #4 all day long and failing to close it.
Sorry, Ben ... You misunderstood. He won't be squeezing the no.4 just holding it and looking at that big spring.

Squeezing a trainer would set his mind that the no.3 is hard.
 
He should definitely go with your recommendation then, since I misunderstand so easily. :getlost:   You must have firsthand experience with the #3 cert then.  When did you certify on the #3?  I bet your judge thought it was hilarious that you were carrying around a #4 that you gazed at before the cert. 
Ben-
I'm not certified on the no.3. But I'm beyond your strength. PROBLEM: Ben thinks he's important
SOLUTION: give him a wake up call. Go no set your trainer, and don't make Josh's thread about your "journey."

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 04:19 PM

I dont have a 4 lol I do however have
a Super Elite at 197# ;)

That will do nicely.  Now just hold it and gaze at it a lot.  That #3 will pretty much shut itself. :grin:


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Posted 23 April 2014 - 05:24 PM

Two stories. I have had three failed Certifications on the Number 3. At my first one in June of 2008, it was either closed, or perhaps one-half of a millimeter off from it. I think I gave it 4 attempts. My second and third attempts are always my best. The first attempt was about a millimeter off. I knew I had it. But there was an announcer, big television cameras for Iron Man Magazine, and Dr. Strossen, and I felt a little rushed on reps number 2 and 3. I wish I would have simply taken two minutes, and told them "don't bug me, I am going to take my time". I didn't, and just missed it. Of course, if you nail it the first attempt this is a nonissue, but don't rush the repeat attempt if you need one. Rest a bit.

 

Story Number Two. In 2010, at my 3rd failed Certification attempt, Dennis Rogers told me to spend a few hours imagining that the 3 is a 2. You are just going to close the 2. I made the mistake of squeezing the 3 with my left hand first, and it was farther off than normal. So, I figured it was a "mutant" 3, and was about an eighth of an inch from closing it. Turns out it was a 159 lb rated, but I let my mind convince me it was harder than it was. That evening, Dennis said to me: "You didn't visualize it as a 2, did you?" No, I did not. I think I spent too much time worrying if it was going to be "a hard one".


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