Email Steve Weiner to Bill Piche, July 1, 1999
Sorry it has taken me so long to respond. At least I know there is somebody
as fanatical about closing the #3 gripper as I am. To answer your question
about how Joe Kinney came up with the 75 pound figure is this: he told me
that a friend of his who was able to close the #2 at first sight used his
secret weapon machine, and was able to close the #3 when he was able to hold
75 lbs. absolutely pinned shut on his secret weapon. For some reason his
picture has not appeared in MILO yet, but he tells me it's true, and I'll
take his word for it, since he struck me as a real honest guy when we spoke.
From the machine he sold me, I would consider this a pretty accurate measure
of where you need to be. Your machine may be scaled a bit differently than
the one that I bought from him, because you are almost at that poundage
level. You aren't wrapping your thumb under the movement bar when doing
negatives, are you? You're probably not, but in case you are, you will be
defeating the purpose of the exercise. As for how much poundage Joe used,
he told me that when he started using the secret weapon, he was able to
close the #3 already, and started at 100 pounds. When he worked up to the
#4, he told me he was using in the area of 200 something pounds, but was not
able to pin the handles shut. He told me that the weight would drag his
fingers down pretty fast, but he felt that he got something out of it. He
did emphasize, however, that I should concentrate on the last few fractions
of an inch of the movement if I want to develop the strength to close the
#3, beacause it's the last 1/2" of the movement that stops most people.
Just for the hell of it, I have tried to close #4 as far as possible, and
closed it 1.5" out of the 3" range of motion. Of course I was not able to
cheat it shut either! For this reason alone, I do not do negatives with it,
as I am concentrating solely on the last bit of the range of motion, and
beyond. Joe could not emphasize the point of going beyond the range enough
during our conversation. Have you tried closing the #2 with 3 fingers, or
the #1 with 2 fingers? If you haven't, try it, and let me know how you did.
I've been successful myself at these "stunts"( done after a regular grip
workout to avoid injury), and you should be able to do it too, since it
sounds like your strength level is similar to mine. Have you tried doing
any negatives with the #3, and if you have, have you had any success holding
the handles totally shut? I have not had any success with any of my
attempts to do this, and it is pretty frustrating, since it is relatively
easy to cheat the #3 shut, but really hard to hold shut that last eighth of
an inch. The rolling thunder is something else, isn't it? I have had RT
for about six months, but started regular work on it only 3 weeks ago. I
have successfully lifted 170 lbs. so far with either hand (weight of loading
pin not included), and want 200 in a bad way by the end of the year. A
little over a pound increase per week will get me to my goal!! I read in
the recent MILO that the world record lift with the RT is 265 lbs.!! Pretty
damn incredible if you ask me. Anyway, drop me a line when you get a
Email from Bill Piche to Steve Weiner, July 8, 1999
How's it going? How's the grip workouts going?
I have skipped one grip workout this week to see what the effect will
be on Sat. I have a feeling it will be positive.
I still can't get over how sore I still get even when I was doing twice
per week and just started again on the SW.
It's going okay. Training has been good, too. I spoke to Joe Kinney last
Friday for about a half hour. He got me all psyched up. He told me to
concentrate on adding weight, so you force your body to trigger a "grow
stronger or die" response. Once you start using the secret weapon on a
regular basis, the soreness should subside as your hands get used to it.
Last Friday I worked out at Iron Island. Have you ever heard of it? Well,
after my workout, I went to play with some of the "toys" they keep in the
lot out back. One of them is a 306 pound anchor chain which consists if six
51 lb. links. This is hooked up to a harness, and the object is to drag it
until you drop. Dragging this monster over a dirt and pabble surface is
sheer murder. Do you subscibe to MILO? If you do, Dr. Ken Leistner wrote
an article in the March, 1999 edition about this device, along with a
picture. After the chain drag, it was off to flip the 500 lb. tractor tire.
What made this tire so tough to fli[ was the fact that it has no treads, so
you have to dig your fingers under the bottom of the tire to start the lift.
Two sets of 5-6 flips did me in. I then went home, tired fingers and all,
and lashed into a workout on the secret weapon. Needless to say, I was
quite sore from this workout, but am more determined than ever to mash that
Look forward to hearing from you soon.