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#1 OFFLINE   hellswindstaff

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 09:24 PM

The last thread was locked. So the question remains who can put up 100lbs++ in this fashion? Let's leave the bantering on the last thread, if someone makes a claim that you don't believe, then please don't let the conversation delude into an argument b/c my curiosity will still remain unquenched.



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Posted 11 May 2013 - 03:08 AM

Pretty sure someone will be able to do it on here, I have weak shoulders due to snowboarding injuries and can do 60lbs for 6 reps with strict form.  Still working towards a HeSPU with good form.

 

Also, when you say 'strict' do you mean torso upright, which is what I use for carryover to HS work, or is it acceptable to lean to the side like this very strong guy:


Edited by patrickmeniru, 11 May 2013 - 03:15 AM.


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Posted 11 May 2013 - 06:56 AM

If I remember Correctly, Rich Williams pressed Two inch Dumbbells at the same time, in strict fashion! They hung the DB's from cables so he didn't have to lift them into the rack possition or anything. I seem to recall Richard Sorin saying that in the warmup Rich did something like 150 for reps (regular, thin handled DB's). That man has got some STRONG shoulders. There is video of this feat so no locking threads please :P



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Posted 11 May 2013 - 06:57 AM

That guy there is a BEAST!

 

Anyone know his name?

 

Thanks for posting the vid Patrick!



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Posted 11 May 2013 - 12:02 PM

Pretty sure someone will be able to do it on here, I have weak shoulders due to snowboarding injuries and can do 60lbs for 6 reps with strict form.  Still working towards a HeSPU with good form.

 

Also, when you say 'strict' do you mean torso upright, which is what I use for carryover to HS work, or is it acceptable to lean to the side like this very strong guy:

I think that he leaned because the dumbbell was that was a rather large dumbbell... his head would have been smashed had his torso been upright. I've actually seen some of that guys other videos, 400lbs seated military press... that's insane.

Yeah I say strict I mean without excessive lean, and no leg drive... military press not side press nor utilizing any leg drive.



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Posted 11 May 2013 - 09:39 PM

I need to test myself again, to see how much I can do these days.

 

Here is an old video, in response to Andrew Durniat, who was curious about how well KB pressing carried over to DB pressing for me.  While I was not doing a side press, or leg drive, there was definitely some 'body english'.  So I'm not sure if this meets the definition of strict.  In the past 6 months, I have added these to my regimen, so I would hope my form looks better these days.

 

 

Here was my KB press from last year.  I was bummed to find out it was 103# when I put it on the scale.  Anyway, I press this for ladders these days.

 

 


 


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 12:25 AM

I need to test myself again, to see how much I can do these days.

 

Here is an old video, in response to Andrew Durniat, who was curious about how well KB pressing carried over to DB pressing for me.  While I was not doing a side press, or leg drive, there was definitely some 'body english'.  So I'm not sure if this meets the definition of strict.  In the past 6 months, I have added these to my regimen, so I would hope my form looks better these days.

 

 

Here was my KB press from last year.  I was bummed to find out it was 103# when I put it on the scale.  Anyway, I press this for ladders these days.

 

 


 

Great pressing!  The KB presses in particular looked really easy, impressive stuff.



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Posted 12 May 2013 - 05:56 AM

Both those looked legit in my book

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 09:56 AM

I need to test myself again, to see how much I can do these days.

 

Here is an old video, in response to Andrew Durniat, who was curious about how well KB pressing carried over to DB pressing for me.  While I was not doing a side press, or leg drive, there was definitely some 'body english'.  So I'm not sure if this meets the definition of strict.  In the past 6 months, I have added these to my regimen, so I would hope my form looks better these days.

 

 

Here was my KB press from last year.  I was bummed to find out it was 103# when I put it on the scale.  Anyway, I press this for ladders these days.

 

 


 

Great pressing!  The KB presses in particular looked really easy, impressive stuff.

Definitely legit. Good pressing man!



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Posted 12 May 2013 - 09:58 AM

Thanks guys!

 

Over the past few months, I think that mixing db and kb pressing has really stabilized the performance of both movements.  Once I get my swiss bar in, I'm going to be pressing with that too, and that should help with pressing things more toward the front of my body.

 

My goal is to strict press my 123# kb someday, but that will probably be a ways off.  I think a few of the other veterans on this board can probably strict press in that range.  



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Posted 12 May 2013 - 10:46 AM

Thanks guys!

 

Over the past few months, I think that mixing db and kb pressing has really stabilized the performance of both movements.  Once I get my swiss bar in, I'm going to be pressing with that too, and that should help with pressing things more toward the front of my body.

 

My goal is to strict press my 123# kb someday, but that will probably be a ways off.  I think a few of the other veterans on this board can probably strict press in that range.  

You said that you press it in ladders now? Is that how you trained to press those weights? I've found that the combined high volume and frequency of pressing ladders daily has really helped my press. High intensity, low frequency... not so much.



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Posted 12 May 2013 - 11:26 AM

I've been doing the ROP plan for kb pressing - light on Mon, med on Wed, and then high volume on Fri or Sat.  So for example, if I was working on a 5x(1,2,3) ladder, it would be 5x1 on mon, 5x(1,2) on Wed, and then 5x(1,2,3) on Fr or Sat.

 

With the 103# kb, my recent block period maxed out at 4 x (1,2,3).  With my 90# in plates (not sure what it is on the scale) db setup, I think I did 5x(1,2,3).  

 

I'm sure there's a lot of ways to achieve a strong one armed press, I just like this cuz it's simple, and fairly consistent in progress.  I would say it's not the fastest way to a heavy press.  Kenneth Jay had his book with a method he claims is much more effective.  In many ways, Kenneth's method is similar to the Westside Barbell philosophy.  The reason I have not tried that one, is because it requires a lot of work to figure out the programming and his volume day would probably smoke my shoulders, and I would be less effective in bench and other things I'm doing during that part of the week.  Various people have also written blogs about how they achieved a strong one arm press with their own programming.

 

I will say that a big gap in the ROP method is the avoidance of assistance exercises. For me, turkish getups helped a bit, but much more was needed - specifically, rotator cuff dumbbell movements, kb/db rows, horizontal pull-ups (with feet on something).  Could be just cuz I'm older, and don't hit those planes of movement in my daily activities.



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Posted 12 May 2013 - 12:24 PM

Martin, you are a BEAST! Only an easy pull up and pistol away from being a "tamer", too.



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Posted 12 May 2013 - 01:05 PM

STRONG Pressing right there!

 

Thanks for sharing!



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Posted 12 May 2013 - 02:26 PM

Thanks gents!  I appreciate the kudos!  This thread got me interested in testing my PR today (since it's been over a year since those were shot).  More vids tonight...



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Posted 12 May 2013 - 03:51 PM

Nice pressing Martin!

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 05:27 PM

Ok, today's PRs:

 

both arms:

 

 http://youtu.be/bfR8-GQvkgk 

 

righty:

 http://youtu.be/hk2UuwKzHCI   That one almost didn't make it past the sticking point.


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 05:49 PM

Bam.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 09:44 PM

Ok, today's PRs:

 

both arms:

 

 http://youtu.be/bfR8-GQvkgk 

 

righty:

 http://youtu.be/hk2UuwKzHCI   That one almost didn't make it past the sticking point.

somebody call a doctor, because this guy is SICK!



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Posted 12 May 2013 - 10:16 PM

somebody call a doctor, because this guy is SICK!

Ha, ha!  Thanks man!  One of these years, I will get that 123# kb overhead.