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#1 OFFLINE   NBranson

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 04:47 PM

Now that it has been out a bit what is everyone's thoughts on their place?

I've basically used mine for no set warm ups at this point. Roughly 7 1/4 in hands so it feels nice and comfortable for that purpose.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 07:12 PM

I use mine for solely TNS reps around the 10-25 rep range for volume.


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Posted 16 February 2013 - 07:38 PM

Been right around ten reps here so similar thoughts I see.

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 08:15 AM

Can these grippers be used for lower reps or is it not possible with the smooth handles?



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Posted 07 June 2013 - 09:45 AM

Are any of these actually hard to close?



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Posted 07 June 2013 - 10:01 AM

The hardest one (Z #3) isn't even that hard. I think between a COC #2 and #2.5 from what I hear since I have never tried it. I tried one at a competition a little while back. I think it was the Zenith #2 and it was incredibly easy. I could have sat there all day closing it and that was after a competition. 



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Posted 07 June 2013 - 11:21 AM

I have little experience with these...
However, a few months back I ordered the lightest one they make (the agility, I think) as a gift for a friend of mine (a girl) who wants to improve her grip strength but couldn't even close the regular guide gripper. I of course played with it a bit, and of course it was super super super easy. However, it felt great in my hands and it occurred to me that it would be a good recovery tool, and I bet the same could be said about the heavier models.

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 11:28 AM

But I think what you have to keep in mind is that theyre really not made for us. At least that's the impression I get. Theyre not made for the hardcore lifters and strongmen and gripsters who want things to be super hard and brutal and don't mind their skin getting torn and callused from the knurling, and who like the primitive look of axle and barbells and rusty weight plates and heavy torsion spring grippers.
Primarily, I think, they are made for crossfit people, and triathalon people, and people who feel it is necessary to wear brightly colored designer spandex outfits to the gym, where all they'll use is light weight. They need pretty things workout with, and they can't be too hard.
Not that there is anything wrong with that. Ironmind should tap into as many demographics as it can. But the point is, I think we are a different demographic than what the zenith has been designed for.
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Posted 07 June 2013 - 12:36 PM

Are any of these actually hard to close?


I can close the Z3 pretty easily. So no.
The lack of knurling and the weird shape get to me a bit, but I guess it works the set a bit extra.

As for the features it had for the crossfit people, I've heard regular people say that the gripper slips too much.
I wonder if the zenith grippers will die out quickly, soon becoming collectors items?

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Posted 08 June 2013 - 02:21 AM

I use them to push volume when the soft tissue gets too mangled on my fingers

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 08:51 AM

Are any of these actually hard to close?

My thoughts exactly. I would have gotten one if the spring has the same resistance of a COC but with the smooth handle. I never bothered when I carefully read their descriptions of the grippers on Ironmind. Anyone regret buying it?



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Posted 24 June 2013 - 10:33 AM

I think the handles feel great... And coc feel easier after using it. The thumb has to hold it in place or it wants to go deep. But I didn't need chalk.

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The Z4 is around a 3.5 with fat handles.

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 01:24 PM

Are any of these actually hard to close?

 

I think the Z3 takes about the same amount of "effort" as a 120# standard TSG. 

 

I have not seen the Z4 yet.



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Posted 24 June 2013 - 03:37 PM

 

Are any of these actually hard to close?

 

I think the Z3 takes about the same amount of "effort" as a 120# standard TSG. 

 

I have not seen the Z4 yet.

 

I have the Z3 and it would challenge many guys to close itTNS because of the smooth, fat handles.  It is the first gripper I've closed in quite a while.  10 months, actually.  If you don't get your hand tackiness right, it gets very hard to TNS close. 



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Posted 25 June 2013 - 12:49 PM

I have Z1. It is a quality gripper for high volume work. I do 50-70 rep range TNS. Great for cardio and to finish off a arm workout. It's a great tool for bottom three fingers training in a hook position. Bent wrist pretty much takes out the index finger from the equation of closing the gripper. Works fine with thumbless grip and keeping the wrist straight for AW specific training. I like it!

 

I find the approach of how hard it is to close totally wrong. Find out what you can do with it to benefit your training and do more reps until exhaustion. JMO



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Posted 27 June 2013 - 08:58 AM

Well I just got my z4 and can't close it but I can close my filed #3 and ghp 7
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Posted 22 July 2013 - 09:40 AM

I bought a Zenith Agility and #2. They are well made, real solid and pretty heavy. For some reason I thought the handles would be hollow but they are definitely solid. The Agility is fun, a good recovery tool I guess. It would also be a good pinch tool for anyone just starting grip training. I just recently closed a GHP 6, to put my strength into perspective. So the Zenith #2 is a pretty easy close for me but I do notice some differences between it and normal grippers. High rep work with it definitely pumps up my thumb pads. I guess it works the pad harder because the thicker, slick handles are always slipping back, making the pad work much harder. You can't rely on the friction from the knurling on the skin to hold it in place anymore. Like with the Rolling Thunder, chalk is like a double edged sword, you need just the right amount. Too much and it seems to make the handles more slippery. I'll be buying the #3 soon. 



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 09:57 AM

Are any of these actually hard to close?

 

 

The hardest one (Z #3) isn't even that hard. I think between a COC #2 and #2.5 from what I hear since I have never tried it. I tried one at a competition a little while back. I think it was the Zenith #2 and it was incredibly easy. I could have sat there all day closing it and that was after a competition. 

 

Zenith is a strength and conditioning gripper with a different feel, so most guys will probably still want to reach for a trusty Captains of Crush gripper for their 1 RM, but having said that, a Zenith 4 is not a pansy gripper—it was designed for guys who have certified on the CoC No. 3 or beyond, although, of course, anyone can use it if they want to.



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 10:07 AM

But I think what you have to keep in mind is that theyre really not made for us. At least that's the impression I get. Theyre not made for the hardcore lifters and strongmen and gripsters who want things to be super hard and brutal and don't mind their skin getting torn and callused from the knurling, and who like the primitive look of axle and barbells and rusty weight plates and heavy torsion spring grippers.
Primarily, I think, they are made for crossfit people, and triathalon people, and people who feel it is necessary to wear brightly colored designer spandex outfits to the gym, where all they'll use is light weight. They need pretty things workout with, and they can't be too hard.
Not that there is anything wrong with that. Ironmind should tap into as many demographics as it can. But the point is, I think we are a different demographic than what the zenith has been designed for.

 

The part about the CrossFitters, etc. compared to the guys who eat rusty nails for breakfast cracked me up and I can understand where this POV comes from but if you were around when IronMind took the original Iron Man grippers from the 1960s and evolved them into first Silver Crush grippers and then Captains of Crush grippers, you might remember that we said the same thing about ourselves at the time—hoped we were not ruining something that although kind of crude looking, was something we loved.  Guys must have liked what we did because look at how many grippers now try as hard as they can to look like that are CoCs and how many try to look like the original Iron Man grippers.  

 

Still, I have to say that I think Zenith grippers are drop dead gorgeous—hope that's ok!


I use them to push volume when the soft tissue gets too mangled on my fingers

That's a great application for them—Zenith grippers were designed for that kind of workout, and that's how they work hand-in-hand with CoC grippers.


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Posted 23 July 2013 - 10:17 AM

Right from the get go I was thinking they would have direct application for high volume training without turning the skin to a bloody mess. As most of you know, I am an advocate of controlled and periodized high volume workouts.  Frankly, I never once thought of them to be used by someone who might not like the bite of normal knurling.  I was always thinking in the 'hardcore' direction and application.

 

I also thought that by the non-knurling it makes it "harder" to close due to lack of friction in the hand. "Harder" is always a good thing in my mind. :)


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