wulfgeat Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 So I bent two of these today. The kink and the sweep were no problem (like under 40 seconds on my right side--after I bent one on my weak side). But what still gets me is that final 20 degrees or so. I know what the problem is: my carpi extensor ulnaris is not on par with the rest of my body. I even mildly strained both of them finishing off the shoes. Obviously, the static holds I was working with didn't alleviate the problem. The good news is that I am trying a more dynamic version, and I feel that it will help me accomplish my goal of bending bigger shoes without having to worry about my lateral epicondyle--but we shall see. . . Pictures below. I took a video, but it is painfully obvious that I have no idea how to film a horseshoe bend: I am not wearing a shirt (didn't think about it), I can't keep the horseshoe in frame to save my life, I forget to show the markings after I'm done, and I am pretty sure that at the time I stopped the horseshoe wasn't to 180 degrees (I fixed that on both, but it looks like I had not gotten to one that I bent on my left side: top shoe; before I took the picture). I don't know how a #000 Classic compares to a #000 Bronco. I know that the #0 of both are very similar and that the #2's are worlds apart (the #2 Bronco looks and feels like what I would imagine a SCF regular plain #3 would). Anyhow, I haven't seen anything on horseshoe bending in awhile and I thought that needed a remedy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim71 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Very nice. I haven't bent a shoe in years. I always remember they bruised my leg worse than anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulfgeat Posted June 23, 2014 Author Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) Very nice. I haven't bent a shoe in years. I always remember they bruised my leg worse than anything. Thanks man! And yep, horseshoes are brutal. I use some thick leather (1/8 inch thick cowhide) pads for my bends, I don't even know if that's legal, but the last time I bent a SCF lite rim #3 bare legged, it was a long time waiting for the skin on the top of my thigh to go back to the right color. Edited June 23, 2014 by wulfgeat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ Livesey Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Shoes were never a strong area for me. And I commend you for for going after these. I pretty much gave up shoes when I ripped my left oblique and every muscle in my last 4 ribs. Took 8 months of cortisone shots and another 7 months for it to heal. Shoes are very hard on the body. And these are some stout shoes. The bronco is much harder on the sweep and crush so be ready for a fight. Jedd has a dvd called "hammering horseshoes" which is full of great info on strength and rehab. I know it helped a lot of guys a couple years back. Great bend btw. Impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Sharkey Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Those are stout shoes dude. I could never get the hang of the crush. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buccos1 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Nice! How long have you been bending shoes? In comparing the DC000 and the PL000, 9 times out of 10, the PL000 is going to be a lot harder through every stage of the bend. I've only seen an occasional mutant DC, which might rate similar to an easy PL000. I've seen some easier PL000s, but they were still considerably harder than the Diamond Classics. (At least in my experiences.) And yes, the PL2s are nasty! I remember not too long after bending my first PL000, I tried a PL2, thinking I'd put a hurtin' on it. But, I only managed to get it to about 10 degrees. And almost detached something in my side-area. Keep at it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulfgeat Posted June 23, 2014 Author Share Posted June 23, 2014 Shoes were never a strong area for me. And I commend you for for going after these. I pretty much gave up shoes when I ripped my left oblique and every muscle in my last 4 ribs. Took 8 months of cortisone shots and another 7 months for it to heal. Shoes are very hard on the body. And these are some stout shoes. The bronco is much harder on the sweep and crush so be ready for a fight. Jedd has a dvd called "hammering horseshoes" which is full of great info on strength and rehab. I know it helped a lot of guys a couple years back. Great bend btw. Impressive. I am sorry to hear about that, and I will certainly be carefull not to repeat that. Thanks for taking a look! And I have that DVD, which is the only reason that I have gotten this far (Mike and Jed are great teachers). If I am going to get into something, I usually like to research it first (cuts down the learning the curve and insures that I know how to keep myself injury free). Thanks again for viewing you Double Overhand titan!!!! Those are stout shoes dude. I could never get the hang of the crush. From what I've seen, the crush seems to get alot of people. My problem, is that I can't put as much force through my lower arms (yet) because I will strain my wrist extensors at the elbow if I get too zealous. God help them shoes if I ever figure that out . . . Nice! How long have you been bending shoes? In comparing the DC000 and the PL000, 9 times out of 10, the PL000 is going to be a lot harder through every stage of the bend. I've only seen an occasional mutant DC, which might rate similar to an easy PL000. I've seen some easier PL000s, but they were still considerably harder than the Diamond Classics. (At least in my experiences.) And yes, the PL2s are nasty! I remember not too long after bending my first PL000, I tried a PL2, thinking I'd put a hurtin' on it. But, I only managed to get it to about 10 degrees. And almost detached something in my side-area. Keep at it! Thanks man!!! I bought the hammer horseshoes DVD last year about this time, and started mangling some SCF UL rim #2's, then some classic #1's. After that, it has just been a month or two on a few months off. I just bend them to get better at bending them (specificity), I prefer to increase my strength with barbells (I feel like there is less chance for injury working on my weak points with weights and only bending shoes well under my max). I really want to bend an AB #6--bad. But obviously, I am a long way off, so before that, Diamond Broncho 000, Diamond Special #5, kerchaert SSP 000 (8X18), and then I guess I need to pick something after that. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim71 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I'm glad I'm not the only one who's experienced a mutant DC shoe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ Livesey Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Kerch's SSP's are the devil. I tried to stay far far away from them. The kink is outrageous. It's a spine twister for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ Livesey Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 (edited) I'm glad I'm not the only one who's experienced a mutant DC shoe.Diamond shoes in general are aweful, all over the place thickness wise. I remember there was a mutant DS5 that was passed all over benders battlefield. It was almost 1.5mm thicker than a normal ds5. I bought it, handed it off. Went through a few other people and came right back to me, what are the chances? I still have it to this day. Edited June 24, 2014 by EJ Livesey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Sharkey Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I really want to bend an AB #6--bad. Check out Bergmann's videos (if they are still available). He spent a lot of time talking through the bend going through technique tweaks and teaching along the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulfgeat Posted June 24, 2014 Author Share Posted June 24, 2014 Kerch's SSP's are the devil. I tried to stay far far away from them. The kink is outrageous. It's a spine twister for sure. That just makes me want to *&%$ one up even more. When I have a hard time bending a shoe, it makes me feel like I have a score to settle--not so much that I do something dumb, just enough that I threaten the little cuss and save him until I can make good. Also, the kink is one of my favorite parts (sometimes just below the sweep, sometimes just above), but maybe I haven't had a hard enough kink yet . . . I really want to bend an AB #6--bad. Check out Bergmann's videos (if they are still available). He spent a lot of time talking through the bend going through technique tweaks and teaching along the way. Thanks for the advice man, but every video I found was private. I did however, watch Mike Rinderle's AB #6 bends and I feel like I can figure it out from those, but maybe, that's just my inexperience talking. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickr104 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) Nice bends!! Now on to the PL000! Edited June 25, 2014 by nickr104 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickr104 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 EJ is right . The SSP shoes tend to have a tough kink. I do the SSP #3 for shows from time to time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buccos1 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Kerch's SSP's are the devil. I tried to stay far far away from them. The kink is outrageous. It's a spine twister for sure. This is true! LOL But, once you spend some time with them and "figure it out" with the set-up, they will fall. The SSP 000 is a nasty shoe. I've bent several into the 130-160 range but could never finish one completely. The best thing about the SSPs I've encountered have been their consistency. Almost all of the SSP000s I've worked with have been within a few mm of each other (as opposed to the Diamond and SCF shoes). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulfgeat Posted June 29, 2014 Author Share Posted June 29, 2014 Those are stout shoes dude. I could never get the hang of the crush. I never had I clue as to where to begin with the newer technique for the crush. I have the "Eric Milfeld sweep" down, and I am extremely good at it, but I have to go oldschool for the crush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickr104 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 I crush that way as well. Never got the hang of this new crush style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulfgeat Posted June 30, 2014 Author Share Posted June 30, 2014 I crush that way as well. Never got the hang of this new crush stye. Quick question: Do you have issues with your elbow on the crush? I don't mean your triceps, I mean on your lower arm part on the ulnar side (outside). Something like wrist muscle connective tissue straining at its anchoring near the elbow? I have been working with dumbbells to find it and make it as strong as the rest of my lower arm, but I haven't had too much success. I think I just found it on the flexor side, right next to the ulna (I mean right next to the bone running down it and attaching to the most lateral (outside) part of the medial epicondile (inside bump of upper arm where wrist flexors attach). I say I think I have found it, but I have said that a thousand times. The last time I thought it was on the extensor side, and trained the crap out of them, but I still sort of have it. I don't know, I have never worked with this version of the exercise, it feels like it is relieving some issues, and I feel like I could get to weight that is equivalent to what I have already acheived on other styles of Dumbbell wrist curls, so I don't feel like I have anything to lose by pursuing this version of the Dumbbell wrist curl. It is just sort of frustrating that I haven't figured it out yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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