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So this feat judging that I last placed up was a test as I was aware of the rules and personally would have voted no myself as I did not control it to the ground. What I wanted to test was how well people were paying attention to the rules of lift prior to judging it. I am happy that the feat judging did not get passed as I was really hoping most people would read the rules and vote no. Just my 2 cents to see how something that was close but def not good enough to pass.

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I think it is very important that we all respect these feats and judge theme as objectively as we can according to the rules.

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I think it is very important that we all respect these feats and judge theme as objectively as we can according to the rules.

https://https//drive.google.com/file/d/0B5b-7PiwZolzVFhza3lRbTZGSDQ/view?usp=sharing

1. Chalk only

2.Lift must be locked out with back erect.

3. Lift must be followed down

4. for loadable devices and plates 5 pound jumps plate weight only.

So this feat judging that I last placed up was a test as I was aware of the rules and personally would have voted no myself as I did not control it to the ground. What I wanted to test was how well people were paying attention to the rules of lift prior to judging it. I am happy that the feat judging did not get passed as I was really hoping most people would read the rules and vote no. Just my 2 cents to see how something that was close but def not good enough to pass.

The Hublift Rules say: 3. Lift must be followed down

-NOT: "control it to the ground"

Looked like you "followed down" the lift (like a contest Euro-pinch) when I watched it at normal speed. If you set a difficult hublift down under control, you risk jamming your fingers. Great lift, IMO!

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The bench was in the way and you couldn't see you pick it up or set it down clearly, but I don't think you should've entered something you didn't think was right just to "test" the members of the board.

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I also tested judges when I tried to close Super Elite gripper on list. It took several times. ;)

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Bob makes a valid point. I gave the lift a thumbs up.

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Thanks Eric!

So this feat judging that I last placed up was a test as I was aware of the rules and personally would have voted no myself as I did not control it to the ground. What I wanted to test was how well people were paying attention to the rules of lift prior to judging it. I am happy that the feat judging did not get passed as I was really hoping most people would read the rules and vote no. Just my 2 cents to see how something that was close but def not good enough to pass.

(bolding in Luke's post was done by me for emphasis)

1. Chalk only

2.Lift must be locked out with back erect.

3. Lift must be followed down

4. for loadable devices and plates 5 pound jumps plate weight only.

fol·low
ˈfälō/
verb
verb: follow; 3rd person present: follows; past tense: followed; past participle: followed; gerund or present participle: following
  1. 1.
    go or come after (a person or thing proceeding ahead); move or travel behind.
    "she went back into the house, and Ben followed her"
    synonyms: come behind, come after, go behind, go after, walk behind More
    "we'll let the others follow"
    accompany, go along with, go around with, travel with, escort, attend, trail around with, string along with;
    informaltag along with
    "people used to follow the band around"
    antonyms: lead
    • go after (someone) in order to observe or monitor.
      "the KGB man followed her everywhere"
      synonyms: shadow, trail, stalk, track, dog, hound;
      informaltail
      "the KGB followed her everywhere"
    • archaic
      strive after; aim at.
      "I follow fame"
    • go along (a route or path).
    • (of a route or path) go in the same direction as or parallel to (another).
      "the road follows a hidden sweetwater brook"
  2. 2.
    come after in time or order.
    "the six years that followed his restoration"

If a pervert is following my wife, it doesn't mean he is touching her.

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So, what made you think people weren't paying attention to the rules? Have particular feats received passing or failing judgements that you disagree with? I mean, the grip community is pretty renowned for adherence to rules and strict criteria for passing lifts and closes, so I'm really not sure where the "just making sure you were paying attention" sentiment comes from.

It comes across kinda fishy man.

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Luke if that's really true, and you're not just bellyaching about having a failed lift, you owe everyone here an apology.

Posting a lift you knew wasn't good enough to TEST the community is insulting of people's integrity and makes a mockery of the process.

As far as I can tell, the judging has been quite obviously strict, with lifts that were questionable for one reason or another failing clearly. As they should.

I fail friend and foe alike based on the quality of their submission, and I don't like having my intelligence or attention to detail cast into doubt.

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I was more curious to find peoples opinions but I am guilty of misunderstanding the rules of the "follow" which Bob stated as I thought meant control to the ground! So re-reading the rules I guess I would personally change my mind to a good lift so that totally throws off everything I was attempting! Which is precisely my point that there are some things that can allow some confusion to the judges or submissions! I think a majority of ppl do a great job of being very objective with their judgements! More than anything I am happy that you all take pride in your judgement as I believe it to be very important! As far as the bellyaching I could do this lift again tomorrow so the lift is the least of my worries! I was aware that you could not see the plates at the start! I will not apologize for my action of this but instead apologize if it seemed to be ill natured as I did not mean for that!

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I dont feel that the test is a mockery but instead a success...because if you look there is an even split between yes and no! So why is this? Are some ppl giving benefit of the doubt? Misunderstanding rules? It is something to think about. Bc in this particular lift is it important to be able to see the plates the whole time? Or even with James R lift being able to see his feet? I would say as community members we have to make our videos to be without a doubt prior to submitting bc ppl can become frustrated when they did the lift but there is something off in the video so some ppl will vote no! Like I said before I did not mean for ill intent at all; I could have probably wrote it different so it did not seem that way! Im sorry if this offended anyone, not my purpose!

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James I voted yours good but I could see the possible error that may be assumed...so I guess I am guilty of giving benefit of the doubt bc I didnt think it was your feet moving and your wrists were def good! Great job on that lift...2 reps is crazy!

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Hey Luke, I added a second rep for you this time and took some stills to show my wrists past parallel. Check my heels though. Look flat to me

James I hope you'll submit that for judging

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Why Mike? So someone can tell me whether or not I performed the feat. I know what I did and three of my four regular training partners did too. 300 coming very soon.

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There's performing the feat and then there's being certified. I don't think anyone is doubting your integrity for a second.

When we had steelbenders running it took me many attempts to learn how to video myself. EJ failed me many times and there were people who complained the judging was too strict. Irreplaceable bars were used in failed attempts, some of them really world class. With grip it's easy, just video again.

Personally I think if we are going to have video submission lists, the standard of proof NEEDS to be very high. Honestly I couldn't tell what was going on in your video yesterday, where this was quite clear.

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So, is rule 3. Lift must be followed down. the same as rule 5 for the Inch Deadlift?

5. Inch Dumbbell does NOT have to be controlled to the floor.

To me it seems that you can, from these words 'drop' the Inch while having to follow the hub down.

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Well I will re-submit it Mike. I guess I am a bit sensitive because people were questioning my integrity on my 12-lb coinlifts even though Bob, Robert, Jason and Gary all watched me do it. That was questioning my integrity, no two ways about it.

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Don't get me started with the sledge choke!!

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Luke if that's really true, and you're not just bellyaching about having a failed lift, you owe everyone here an apology.

Posting a lift you knew wasn't good enough to TEST the community is insulting of people's integrity and makes a mockery of the process.

As far as I can tell, the judging has been quite obviously strict, with lifts that were questionable for one reason or another failing clearly. As they should.

I fail friend and foe alike based on the quality of their submission, and I don't like having my intelligence or attention to detail cast into doubt.

No it's not!

A lift was posted as a hub lift, whilst the clip showed a wrist curl, at the point I saw it it had 4 passes and no fails.

I feel Lukes post to be very valid.

I wasn't going to post but felt that Luke has some very valid points.

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I agree Mike M, but nonetheless some people are offended and rightfully so. This is one of the pitfalls of being judged by peers. Perhaps we should discuss the adjustment of rules instead of deciding who's argument is more or less valid. Bringing up past lift arguments is useless and will only lead to another locked thread.

PS: maybe we can vote on the new rules.

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Luke if that's really true, and you're not just bellyaching about having a failed lift, you owe everyone here an apology.

Posting a lift you knew wasn't good enough to TEST the community is insulting of people's integrity and makes a mockery of the process.

As far as I can tell, the judging has been quite obviously strict, with lifts that were questionable for one reason or another failing clearly. As they should.

I fail friend and foe alike based on the quality of their submission, and I don't like having my intelligence or attention to detail cast into doubt.

No it's not!

A lift was posted as a hub lift, whilst the clip showed a wrist curl, at the point I saw it it had 4 passes and no fails.

I feel Lukes post to be very valid.

I wasn't going to post but felt that Luke has some very valid points.

That was probably an error on Brent's part, I pointed it out to him and it was taken down quickly. When you saw it with 4 votes cast, that may have been a lag in the edit.

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Yeah i see that i could of went about it a different way but I was hoping my lift would get a mix of yes and no to show there is a difference in thought process between ppl and some subjectivity!

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Yeah i see that i could of went about it a different way but I was hoping my lift would get a mix of yes and no to show there is a difference in thought process between ppl and some subjectivity!

Agreed, although some may not appreciate your method, it was needed to spark the conversation.

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Well I will re-submit it Mike. I guess I am a bit sensitive because people were questioning my integrity on my 12-lb coinlifts even though Bob, Robert, Jason and Gary all watched me do it. That was questioning my integrity, no two ways about it.

But isn't questioning one's integrity kind of built into not just feat judging here on the gripboard, but various cert processes as well? If everyone was perfectly trustworthy, all you'd have to do is let a mod know what lift you've performed, and they would add you to the list no questions asked. Same for a COC cert--just email Dr. Strossen, let him know you've closed the #4, and your name would be on the who's who list by sunset.

But not everyone is trustworthy. The Silverbacks of the world have proven that. And you have folks out there to this day who either have big claims but no video, or big videos but no face to face performance. And that's why I think you have to take video-based certs with a grain of salt, but at the same time be very strict with them given the obvious limitations.

Face to face will always be king. I'm more impressed with the 500lb bench press I saw in person than I am with virtually any other lift, bend, or gripper close I've only seen a video of. With the 500lb bench, I helped the guy load the bar and I spotted him. He was a janitor in a high school I was wiring, and on breaks he would go down to the weight room and lift. With my own eyes I saw him put his broom down, walk to the basement, load 5 wheels on each side of the bar, and transform into some sort of animal for a few brief seconds. No wraps, no bench shirt, no smelling salts, no partial reps. Just perfect form and raw power.

So yeah, take the video certs with a grain of salt. They are fun and vital to the online grip community, but you're never going to earn the kind of respect via YouTube that you do face to face. It's just like when I was going for the MM0 a few years ago, I knew I could close a COC #3 or a GHP 7 from a much wider set than parallel most days of the week, but I was never able to get it on camera in a way that satisfied the judges' criteria. Same with the GHP cert. Which is fine. I finally realized that my training was suffering because I was more preoccupied with camera angles than I was with getting stronger, so I let go of the idea of constantly proving my strength to people I've never met, and got back to focusing on getting stronger. (Then I got hurt a few weeks later, but still... :getlost: )

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