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89.6lb Lift On The New Ironmind Hub


Aaron Jacobs

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Although an impressive feat in it's own right....I don't think this would be considered a true hub lift. The thumb is actually turned to the side with the proximal interphalangeal joint of the thumb clearly in contact with the device, which is what Ironmind means by "holding the hub as if grabbing a doorknob"...it changes the lift and allows you to use more weight.

OK....bring on the haters...

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Although an impressive feat in it's own right....I don't think this would be considered a true hub lift. The thumb is actually turned to the side with the proximal interphalangeal joint of the thumb clearly in contact with the device, which is what Ironmind means by "holding the hub as if grabbing a doorknob"...it changes the lift and allows you to use more weight.

OK....bring on the haters...

Agreed. Huge lift no matter how you slice it, but as has been discussed many times before on hub lifts, there will be instances where this lift will be allowed and instances where it will not. I think it's pretty clear that in an IM event, like the record breakers meet in San Jose earlier this year, it would not be counted.

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Okay then lets see someone use the same thumb position as I am and lift even 75lbs. Anyone?

We didn't say it wasn't impressive in it's own right...just not a strict hub lift.

Calling out people on the board is not exactly the best way to ingratiate yourself and make friends with those who might otherwise support you and give you friendly advice.

A better question is.....how much can you lift in a strict hub fashion with fingertip pads and thumb pad on the device?

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Actually, I think the Ironmind site is refering to grabbing the hub like a v-bar when they say " grabing like a door knob " I don't see anything wrong with the style Zach is using. It certainly doesn't help me any. Monster hubbing Zach ! Can't wait to see two 45's stacked up on your next vid.

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Although an impressive feat in it's own right....I don't think this would be considered a true hub lift. The thumb is actually turned to the side with the proximal interphalangeal joint of the thumb clearly in contact with the device, which is what Ironmind means by "holding the hub as if grabbing a doorknob"...it changes the lift and allows you to use more weight.

OK....bring on the haters...

Minor FYI ...

The thumb only has an interphalangeal joint, unlike the fingers, which have a proximal and a distal IP joint. Did you mean MCP (metacarpo-phalangeal) joint?

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Zach,

You allowed your over-sized ego, overt narcissism, and young age to filter everything friendly and complimentary out of the previous replies to what was once a very impressive lift. And please note my use of the word once, which indicated the lift became less and less impressive following each of your replies.

And by the way, the lift you're planning to post next as some sort of implied revenge may not get as many views as you wish. Therefore, be a man and make it right with your words first.

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Zach,

You allowed your over-sized ego, overt narcissism, and young age to filter everything friendly and complimentary out of the previous replies to what was once a very impressive lift. And please note my use of the word once, which indicated the lift became less and less impressive following each of your replies.

And by the way, the lift you're planning to post next as some sort of implied revenge may not get as many views as you wish. Therefore, be a man and make it right with your words first.

Excellent post. Greatness of an athlete comes down to more than mere poundage of his lifts.
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So what you're saying is, you're kind of a big deal?

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Zach,

You allowed your over-sized ego, overt narcissism, and young age to filter everything friendly and complimentary out of the previous replies to what was once a very impressive lift. And please note my use of the word once, which indicated the lift became less and less impressive following each of your replies.

And by the way, the lift you're planning to post next as some sort of implied revenge may not get as many views as you wish. Therefore, be a man and make it right with your words first.

Excellent post. Greatness of an athlete comes down to more than mere poundage of his lifts.

Agreed, agreed.

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I could care less what anyone thinks.

Yeah right...you do care and that is why you react the way you do.
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Although an impressive feat in it's own right....I don't think this would be considered a true hub lift. The thumb is actually turned to the side with the proximal interphalangeal joint of the thumb clearly in contact with the device, which is what Ironmind means by "holding the hub as if grabbing a doorknob"...it changes the lift and allows you to use more weight.

OK....bring on the haters...

Agreed. Huge lift no matter how you slice it, but as has been discussed many times before on hub lifts, there will be instances where this lift will be allowed and instances where it will not. I think it's pretty clear that in an IM event, like the record breakers meet in San Jose earlier this year, it would not be counted.

I disagree. I was the winner of the hub event in San Jose. It looks to me that the thumb tip is touching the lip of the device. To me, the digit that has to be monitored the most is the index finger. The index finger is what makes one mimic "grabbing a doorknob", or "using the vertical grip". It might be marginal, but if I was a judge, I very well could give it a white light. I watched the video 8 times, and think I would need to see it live. But I don't pooh-pooh the lift in any way, shape, or form.

If there was one person who I would be most curious of what he thought of this lift, it would be Adam Glass. He has competed in the event, was in San Jose, is a bright guy, and has good judgment skills.

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Not trying to speak for anyone here; just going off of my interpretation of IM's rules. If I judged the lift according to those rules, I wouldn't pass it. That's all. In matters of interpretation, there is always disagreement; nothing wrong with that.

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I feel badly because I wasn't trying to poo-poo Zach's efforts in any way and stir up a sh*t storm. I just felt compelled to point out that I don't think the technique used in making this lift is strictly "in the spirit" of what I understand to be a hub lift, which in my opinion is the technique used in the video I posted before. This is just my opinion and I'm entitled to it. I figured it might start a nice discussion, but that kinda went south pretty quickly.

Although an impressive feat in it's own right....I don't think this would be considered a true hub lift. The thumb is actually turned to the side with the proximal interphalangeal joint of the thumb clearly in contact with the device, which is what Ironmind means by "holding the hub as if grabbing a doorknob"...it changes the lift and allows you to use more weight.

OK....bring on the haters...

Agreed. Huge lift no matter how you slice it, but as has been discussed many times before on hub lifts, there will be instances where this lift will be allowed and instances where it will not. I think it's pretty clear that in an IM event, like the record breakers meet in San Jose earlier this year, it would not be counted.

I disagree. I was the winner of the hub event in San Jose. It looks to me that the thumb tip is touching the lip of the device. To me, the digit that has to be monitored the most is the index finger. The index finger is what makes one mimic "grabbing a doorknob", or "using the vertical grip". It might be marginal, but if I was a judge, I very well could give it a white light. I watched the video 8 times, and think I would need to see it live. But I don't pooh-pooh the lift in any way, shape, or form.

If there was one person who I would be most curious of what he thought of this lift, it would be Adam Glass. He has competed in the event, was in San Jose, is a bright guy, and has good judgment skills.

Just for my clarification...it's acceptable to grab the device with the "knuckle" of your thumb? I'm asking sincerely, not to be a wise guy. I always thought that a strict hub lift was when your fingers and your thumb were all essentially vertical with only the pads of your fingers and thumb in contact with the device.

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To all the haters, have you actually tried lifting on an IM hub with different finger and thumb positions? Seriously, try it right now if you have a hub laying around in as many positions as you can. Bending the thumb at very most would could add maybe 10 -12lb. to whatever you are doing in a 'strict' style, and even that may be a bit generous. So assuming 12lb. was added, Zach would still be at 77.6lb. with the strictest style possible (no bend in the thumb whatsoever), which would still be an unofficial world record. I'll leave it to Zach to video a stricter lift in the near future. And Zach can definitely put up some impressive numbers in other grip lifts, I've seen it for myself.

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I don't think using his proximal interphalangeal thumb joint is going to add 22lbs to his lift. I am not trying to make friends on here buddy. I am merely asserting my hub lifting prowess and challenging anyone to lift over 80 using any style. That being said, I will post a video of a strict lift and shut you up. Adios.

man, i would love to see you do a "strict lift" so you can further prove yourself. or do some other big grip feats.

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Aaron,

1. Please specify which replies were "hateful."

2. Ever had an acquaintance ask you for your opinion, only to find out after you provided your opinion that there was only one answer. Posting a video here carries with it possible judgement, especially in technique, but it also generates praise for valued accomplishments. To summarize #2, you both would make horrible girlfriends or wives.

3. Regarding this, to 99.9999999% of the population, your brother lifted less than 100 lbs with a metal thingy, and nothing more. The only interested people can be found here, and you both are doing a great job of generating disinterest to that .00000001%.

4. You both have been disrespectful, so if that could be corrected, which would be easy to do by the way, it could be forgotten and we all could marvel at your brother's strength.

5. When a person criticizes another person's character traits, it is more often than not something about himself that he's not proud of and sees in the other. The word misanthrope comes to mind.

6. And most importantly, it's a ruthless world out there and your attitudes, not your aptitudes, will determine your altitudes (that's close to a quote but I'm not sure about the source).

7. I know all this because I'm forty-ish and can identify with where y'all are. It's not the least bit personal.

8. Your brother lifts more than twice what I can on the hub, so although I'm well above average in the powerlifts (see, my narcissism that needed no mentioning), I approached this thread with interest and would like to have it back.

8. Please answer #1

Respectfully

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I think the lift is impressive regardless of his technique but earl does have some valid questions and points to ponder.

Great lift!!!!

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1. Please specify which replies were "hateful."

"Hateful" in the sense that some of you are trying to downplay the lift. Like I said, try the lift yourself with different hand positions and tell me how much extra you can lift with his style vs. a strict style. I'm not trying to talk start a ruckus, but I would like to see any of the top grip guys in the world equal this lift; I'm not going to give names. He just 'Laine Snooked' the world record in this particular lift. I'm referring to Laine lifting 330 this year on a Youtube video unofficially on the Rolling Thunder when Mark Felix held the official record at ~300lb. What's the world record on this lift now, 75lb.? I know Corlett set the first US record earlier this year with around 65lb.

2. Ever had an acquaintance ask you for your opinion, only to find out after you provided your opinion that there was only one answer. Posting a video here carries with it possible judgement, especially in technique, but it also generates praise for valued accomplishments. To summarize #2, you both would make horrible girlfriends or wives.

Dude, stop hitting on me; I don't want to be your girlfriend or your wife.

3. Regarding this, to 99.9999999% of the population, your brother lifted less than 100 lbs with a metal thingy, and nothing more. The only interested people can be found here, and you both are doing a great job of generating disinterest to that .00000001%.

You think everyone in the world who trains grip seriously comes to this forum? Is that some kind of joke? I doubt Nathan Holle has ever visited this board and based on his closing the GHP 9, he's probably got the strongest crush in the world right now.

4. You both have been disrespectful, so if that could be corrected, which would be easy to do by the way, it could be forgotten and we all could marvel at your brother's strength.

No one has to marvel. There are many world class grip guys out there, he just happens to be the best on this particular implement; I don't even know how well he would do on a shallow hub.

5. When a person criticizes another person's character traits, it is more often than not something about himself that he's not proud of and sees in the other. The word misanthrope comes to mind.

This isn't a psychology forum dude.

6. And most importantly, it's a ruthless world out there and your attitudes, not your aptitudes, will determine your altitudes (that's close to a quote but I'm not sure about the source).

Damn bro, did you make that up off the top of your head? Maybe you should put down the gripper and pick up the pen.

7. I know all this because I'm forty-ish and can identify with where y'all are. It's not the least bit personal.

Don't even play the maturity card.

8. Your brother lifts more than twice what I can on the hub, so although I'm well above average in the powerlifts (see, my narcissism that needed no mentioning), I approached this thread with interest and would like to have it back.

"Well above average" : its all relative dude. Above average in relationship to who?

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There are many world class grip guys out there, he just happens to be the best on this particular implement; I don't even know how well he would do on a shallow hub.

I have been accumulating data on the IronMind Hub ever since I saw a photo in an IronMind catalog of Wade Gillingham standing pretty casually while holding 65 lbs in plates. That was about 10 years ago. Since 2004, I have been in 9 contests where the IM Hub was contested. The three times where I came in second was when someone used a very different style than "the claw" method. I have already said what I think of Zach's lifting style.

One of the more interesting pieces of Info I have seen was in a PM to me from someone who closed with "ps did you see my boy did 114 on the ironmind hub vbar style after about a months practice my best to date is 89 so far he has longer fingers". That was March 30, 2007, from Dan Praydis. I don't think I saw the video, but I certainly believe him, as would most forum members who know him.

All of that is background to what I want to say: I agree with Aaron, Zach is the best on this particular implement. I think both of them (Aaron and Zach) in their own way are trying to figure out if there is someone better on it than Zach. A year or two after I had seen Wade's photo in IronMind's catalog, I saw on his profile on Jackal's Gym's website that he was the "unofficial world record holder" on the IronMind Hub with 70 lbs. His profile is still there, but it doesn't read that way any more.

The IronMind Hub is probably not one of those things that is going to draw the best in the world to a major gathering. So, Zach Jacobs may be the Earl Manigault of the IronMind Hub.

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