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New Inch Dumbbell Records List Rules


Jedd Johnson

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The moderator staff has been working together to bring more clarity to the rules of the Records and Stats Forum.

At some point, confusion began around a legal lift for the Inch Dumbbell, so we focused on that lift first.

Below, are the updated rules. The only thing completely new is the scaling of the Inch, and this as added since there are so many lighter versions out there now.

1. Inch must be scaled on video and weigh at least 170-lbs

2. Chalk ONLY may be used. No other grip aids.

3. The Inch must be lifted as level as possible with only minor deviations from level, and must be level at the top of the lift.

4. Lifter must reach a point where the knees, hips and off-hand shoulder lock out in alignment with one another.

5. Inch Dumbbell does NOT have to be controlled to the floor.

6. The following techniques may be used: straddle position, grip neutral; straddle position, grip overhand; suitcase position.

Also, to demonstrate the lockout techniques, I shot the following video. I hope it helps with any confusion there might have been.

We will be updating the other lists as well to make sure everything is clear.

Thanks.

Jedd

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My preference at this point is to not list partial lifts.

The rules that allowed partials like that, patterned after One Hand Lifts in Grip Contests, were a mistake/oversight and have been taken down.

For the Records Lists, we don't require a controlled set-down. So you can lock it out and throw it down, which is generally what I do any time I finally attain a record list feat.

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to the bold: so are we back to having specific judges for the feats forum, or is it still a community voting process? if it is to remain a community voted forum, then rules for what stands should also be debated amongst the community. im i right?

No, it's still a voting process. I don't think I mentioned that in the video. The purpose was supposed to be that the lifters and the voters be able to watch the video to understand proper execution.

I am not sure exactly what you mean by this statement: "rules for what stands should also be debated amongst the community. im i right?"

We've always listened to the community as a whole on feedback for the board. The board continues to improve year in and year out because of the community here, but in regards to partials, I don't see what the value is in tracking those, if that is what you are suggesting.

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I can see both points being brought up here. It may be tough to put a value on a partial lift though. Like how many levels would you have to have? A few inches off the ground? 6in? And it's tough to judge how close to fully locked out a lift is unless the lifter is naked. Please for the love of god noooo lol.

I guess a baby inch would be like a red vs inch the stronger bar tommy.

There just isn't that many steps like there is in short steel.

It's kind of an all or nothing feat Jedd is going for, which I also see that point too.

Anyone who even gets air on an inch has demonstrated something great IMO. I'd like to try one.

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I am not certain if Steve Mobster Gardener still posts here, but he would have been present for a few years at a now defunct English annual dinner where they would haul out the ORIGINAL Inch Dumbbell and see who could lift it. This went on for decades, as long as David Prowse (English Weightlifter and actor in the Darth Vader suit in the first three Star Wars) owned it, and it went on until he sold it to Kim Wood. That was roughly 15 years ago.

The point? I think what they considered "a lift" was picking up the bell and placing it on top of a London phone book. I don't know what that was - - 4 inches? 6 inches? Definitely not a lockout.

It wasn't until the 21st Century that it became the thing to deadlift the Inch. Probably this site had a lot to do with it.

The phone book business seems a little hokey (with apologies to the UK), but maybe some sort of standard height of some type of platform to place the dumbbell onto.

Edit: It was the Oscar Heindenstam Dinner (a UK version of AOBS, sort of), and no, it did not go on for decades, it was in between the death of Thomas Inch (years afterwards) and the move of the Inch from the UK to the USA where the Inch was at the dinner. the dinner was discontinued not that long ago. Mobster probably picked it up there in the late 90s...There is a very long history of "partials" being a noteworthy achievement, as it was 40 years of Inch himself issuing a "challenge" to audiences before anyone was even able to budge the thing.

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My question is why is the inch lift different than a lot of the other grip lifts in the way it's judge?

What I mean is the one hand axle DL just need to be above the knees. The euro pinch lift is only lifted to ~16'' (not sure the exact height, but not a full lock out). Even when you lift the rolling thunder that's a partial range of motion unless you've made a very very small loading pin.

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My question is why is the inch lift different than a lot of the other grip lifts in the way it's judge?

What I mean is the one hand axle DL just need to be above the knees. The euro pinch lift is only lifted to ~16'' (not sure the exact height, but not a full lock out). Even when you lift the rolling thunder that's a partial range of motion unless you've made a very very small loading pin.

This is a very good point. As well as hub geezers about it being lifted onto a phone book in the past.

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Jedd, what i am referring to is letting the board decide if a lift of an inch DB, above the knee with knees locked, but not a full upright lockout should be accepted on a separate list. Based off the votes on my inch lift, that was above the knees, it is evident that most members are on board with acknowledging that lift.

You may not see the point in acknowledging a lift that isnt a full upright lockout because you are a very strong guy, namely on thickbar and pinch. But others arent quite as dominant with similar lifts and may like to atleast be recognized for an above the knee lift.

The equivalent to your not wanting to acknowledge an above the knee lift of the inch would be the same as if i said "i dont see the point in FBBC acknowledging any other bend than a KOAB".. And that would quite be fair for others who arent as strong.

My point is, why change this after YEARS of the expectation being to Lockout? Should we also put up a list for partial Blob lifts?

Lockout and level was the rule when I joined the board way back in 2002/2003.

Your comparison to the KOAB is off. FBBC acknowledges several different strength bars to be bent. If you were suggesting a list of Baby Inch bells, I'd be right there with you saying it is a good idea. But you are suggesting a partial lift list, which is like putting someone on a list for only bending the KOAB to 2.5 inches.

I am not certain if Steve Mobster Gardener still posts here, but he would have been present for a few years at a now defunct English annual dinner where they would haul out the ORIGINAL Inch Dumbbell and see who could lift it. This went on for decades, as long as David Prowse (English Weightlifter and actor in the Darth Vader suit in the first three Star Wars) owned it, and it went on until he sold it to Kim Wood. That was roughly 15 years ago.

The point? I think what they considered "a lift" was picking up the bell and placing it on top of a London phone book. I don't know what that was - - 4 inches? 6 inches? Definitely not a lockout.

It wasn't until the 21st Century that it became the thing to deadlift the Inch. Probably this site had a lot to do with it.

The phone book business seems a little hokey (with apologies to the UK), but maybe some sort of standard height of some type of platform to place the dumbbell onto.

Edit: It was the Oscar Heindenstam Dinner (a UK version of AOBS, sort of), and no, it did not go on for decades, it was in between the death of Thomas Inch (years afterwards) and the move of the Inch from the UK to the USA where the Inch was at the dinner. the dinner was discontinued not that long ago. Mobster probably picked it up there in the late 90s...There is a very long history of "partials" being a noteworthy achievement, as it was 40 years of Inch himself issuing a "challenge" to audiences before anyone was even able to budge the thing.

I remember videos of those Dinners. Those partial lifts were not recognized here on the board that I am aware of.

My question is why is the inch lift different than a lot of the other grip lifts in the way it's judge?

What I mean is the one hand axle DL just need to be above the knees. The euro pinch lift is only lifted to ~16'' (not sure the exact height, but not a full lock out). Even when you lift the rolling thunder that's a partial range of motion unless you've made a very very small loading pin.

Those are grip contests though. Those rules are in place for ease of judging. Very different from "completing a feat of strength."

For instance, often in a comp, the Inch or other challenge item in a Medley is placed on top of some sort of platform, and often the platform is below the height of a locked out lift. Lifts like that aren't added to the records lists unless the person clearly lifts the object to lockout per the rules before placing them on top the platform.

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Again, Grip Contest Lifts are not the same as Gripboard Records List lifts.

Another example that I have brought up recently is the Sledge Choke vs the Sledge Deadlift. Two COMPLETELY different lifts.

You can't compare apples to oranges in this sense. There are rules for Records Lists and there are rules for Competition Lifts, and they differ substantially.


My question is why is the inch lift different than a lot of the other grip lifts in the way it's judge?

What I mean is the one hand axle DL just need to be above the knees. The euro pinch lift is only lifted to ~16'' (not sure the exact height, but not a full lock out). Even when you lift the rolling thunder that's a partial range of motion unless you've made a very very small loading pin.


This is a very good point. As well as hub geezers about it being lifted onto a phone book in the past.

Are you suggesting that those who lifted the Inch on top of a phone book should be on the same list as people who lifted the Inch to Lockout?


My question is why is the inch lift different than a lot of the other grip lifts in the way it's judge?

What I mean is the one hand axle DL just need to be above the knees. The euro pinch lift is only lifted to ~16'' (not sure the exact height, but not a full lock out). Even when you lift the rolling thunder that's a partial range of motion unless you've made a very very small loading pin.

one of my points exactly.

Noted, and again my reply is that there are two completely different rules sets for the same devices/challenge items.

For instance, we could add a Records List for Euro Lifted to Lockout here, if we wanted to. None of the lifts done in competition would count, unless the lifters actually lifted beyond the cross bar and pulled the implement to Lockout.

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I certainly don't think someone should be "recognized" for lifting the Inch onto a phone book. Big difference between David Prowse offering a fifth of whiskey to a dock worker or other strong guy for lifting it onto a phone book, and where the thing has come 50 years later.

I can see some type of "lesser achievement" than a deadlift being recognized, even if it is a platform of sorts.

Mash Monster has how many grippers now? IronMind has three certifications for grippers. Inch has deadlift...then what, clean, clean and press, snatch? The last three are bordering on Number 4 level of achievement.

And, I see the argument that "certifications" or "achievements" can be silly.

I don't think you want to water down the requirements you laid out for the deadlift. There does seem to be interest in something less than that. It's not a big deal to me. I guess I could visualize myself pulling it 10 inches or a foot, but the idea of a full deadlift...is never going to happen for me. The smaller level of dumbbells may be the way to bridge the gap and make everyone happy...not that is what the goal should be. You can't lower the hoop on a basketball rim to 9 foot 6 inches just so shorter guys can dunk.

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I find it difficult to fully lock or carry an Inch bell no matter what way it is lifted to not interfere with touching or resting on the body or becoming a hand on thigh lift when bell rotation is halted by hand and fingers become locked on legs. You would have to be a strange built guy or gal to fully stand up with a Inch bell lifted between the legs and assuming a full lockout position at at the end. The Blob and the Inch are not that heavy and so tilt directly affects the lifting of both by shifting stress or halting rotation. Good that this is being discussed

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Again, Grip Contest Lifts are not the same as Gripboard Records List lifts.

Another example that I have brought up recently is the Sledge Choke vs the Sledge Deadlift. Two COMPLETELY different lifts.

You can't compare apples to oranges in this sense. There are rules for Records Lists and there are rules for Competition Lifts, and they differ substantially.

My question is why is the inch lift different than a lot of the other grip lifts in the way it's judge?

What I mean is the one hand axle DL just need to be above the knees. The euro pinch lift is only lifted to ~16'' (not sure the exact height, but not a full lock out). Even when you lift the rolling thunder that's a partial range of motion unless you've made a very very small loading pin.

This is a very good point. As well as hub geezers about it being lifted onto a phone book in the past.

Are you suggesting that those who lifted the Inch on top of a phone book should be on the same list as people who lifted the Inch to Lockout?

My question is why is the inch lift different than a lot of the other grip lifts in the way it's judge?

What I mean is the one hand axle DL just need to be above the knees. The euro pinch lift is only lifted to ~16'' (not sure the exact height, but not a full lock out). Even when you lift the rolling thunder that's a partial range of motion unless you've made a very very small loading pin.

one of my points exactly.

Noted, and again my reply is that there are two completely different rules sets for the same devices/challenge items.

For instance, we could add a Records List for Euro Lifted to Lockout here, if we wanted to. None of the lifts done in competition would count, unless the lifters actually lifted beyond the cross bar and pulled the implement to Lockout.

No, a lockout would be on a whole other level than placing on a phone book. That would be like dead lifting 4 in off the ground vs a full lock out. Not even close.

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The brilliant 16 1/2 inch rule for the Euro was introduced (in the US with support from the Swedes), in part, because some used a sumo stance which makes the lift easier, especially if you have long arms. You guys may want to sort out that issue as well (whether a sumo stance should be permitted for a inch lift to lockout).

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Jedd,

I might take a bit of heat for this, and if I am mis-reading what others are implying I'll happily apologize, but I think there's a vibe of "How come the Moderating Team just get to decide to change the Rules - shouldn't the Members be polled on this?" going on in this thread. The argument may not be what you changed it to - but that it was changed AT ALL - without a vote. If there is a board rule about how this situation was going to be dealt with I guess most people haven't read it.

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Yeah, I know members vote for the poll threads - but I guess the Mod Team came up with the rule changes or else why was Bill thanking them?

Members vote on feats done and this was a new change recently (including a whole new forum). We have to start somewhere with proposed rule changes. So, it has always started with the mod team. Nothing new there. What some people again fail to realize is the WORK done voluntarily and on their own time to make things better. Jedd even did that video. There was a lot of discussion off the board to try and make the rules more clear and better. Before it ever got presented. The same with the whole new setup. I sure hope people don't think these things just get "thrown out" with minutes of thought. Nothing could be further from the truth. THAT is why I thanked them.

In fact, I am pretty sure we have never polled on rule changes in the feats list. Go find a poll on one of the feats in that forum where we voted on a rule change prior to all the changes we just made in the GripBoard feats lists.

This is supposed to be fun list and we were close to closing it down in fact prior to the drastic changes we made with poll voting by the members for judging the feats.

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